'15 FL QB/WR/DB (anything he wants) Torrance Gibson

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titansvolsfaninga said:
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You were quiet over the last few days when every other person there covering the Opening was heaping praise on him. Now one person out of the 100 there has something negative to say and you post a bunch of times in here. Pitiful. At least be man enough to still post when all the things reported are positive.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
We will be more than OK without TG. I will take a pocket passer right now with the weapons we have on offense. What's the point in having all of these weapons if we are not going to use them?
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I don't know where people got this idea that WRs aren't utilized by dual-threat QBs. If anything, the extra attention in the box required to contain a running QB opens up WRs for more single-coverage and deep balls.

Here are the passing stats for some recent DT college QBs. See how they compare against the stats for famous NFL pocket passing QBS, and pay close attention to the yards per attempt averages and passer ratings:

Pocket Passers:

Peyton Manning (1997) - 3819 yds, 8.0 Y/A, 36 TDs, 11 Ints, 147.7 rating
Drew Brees (2000) - 3668 yds, 7.2 Y/A, 26 TDs, 12 Ints, 132.6 rating
Eli Manning (2003) - 3600 yds, 8.2 Y/A, 29 TDs, 10 Ints, 148.1 rating
Matt Ryan (2007) - 4507 yds, 6.9 Y/A, 31 TDs, 19 Ints, 127.0 rating

Dual-threat QBs:

Vince Young (2005) - 3036 yds, 9.3 Y/A, 26 TDs, 10 Ints, 163.9 rating
Tim Tebow (2007) - 3286 yds, 9.4 Y/A, 32 TDs, 6 Ints, 172.5 rating
Cam Newton (2010) - 2854 yds, 10.2 Y/A, 30 TDs, 7 Ints, 182.0 rating
Johnny Manziel (2013) - 4114 yds, 9.6 Y/A, 37 TDs, 13 Ints, 172.9 rating

If I was a WR like Josh Malone or Preston Williams, I'd much rather play with a DT QB that keeps safeties occupied and leaves me alone in single coverage all game. Much like the elite DT QBs listed above, Torrance Gibson is going to give defensive coordinators NIGHTMARES in college...
 
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AboveAllNations said:
I don't know where people got this idea that WRs aren't utilized by dual-threat QBs. If anything, the extra attention in the box required to contain a running QB opens up WRs for more single-coverage and deep balls.

Here are the passing stats for some recent DT college QBs. See how they compare against the stats for famous NFL pocket passing QBS, and pay close attention to the yards per attempt averages and passer ratings:

Pocket Passers:

Peyton Manning (1997) - 3819 yds, 8.0 Y/A, 36 TDs, 11 Ints, 147.7 rating
Drew Brees (2000) - 3668 yds, 7.2 Y/A, 26 TDs, 12 Ints, 132.6 rating
Eli Manning (2003) - 3600 yds, 8.2 Y/A, 29 TDs, 10 Ints, 148.1 rating
Matt Ryan (2007) - 4507 yds, 6.9 Y/A, 31 TDs, 19 Ints, 127.0 rating

Dual-threat QBs:

Vince Young (2005) - 3036 yds, 9.3 Y/A, 26 TDs, 10 Ints, 163.9 rating
Tim Tebow (2007) - 3286 yds, 9.4 Y/A, 32 TDs, 6 Ints, 172.5 rating
Cam Newton (2010) - 2854 yds, 10.2 Y/A, 30 TDs, 7 Ints, 182.0 rating
Johnny Manziel (2013) - 4114 yds, 9.6 Y/A, 37 TDs, 13 Ints, 172.9 rating

If I was a WR like Josh Malone or Preston Williams, I'd much rather play with a DT QB that keeps safeties occupied and leaves me alone in single coverage all game. Much like the elite DT QBs listed above, Torrance Gibson is going to give defensive coordinators NIGHTMARES in college...
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Do you know how many passing attempts per game for the Pro-style versus the DT QBs?
 
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Cosmo said:
Do you know how many passing attempts per game for the Pro-style versus the DT QBs?
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P Manning 1997 – 477
Brees 2000 – 521
E Manning 2003 – 441
Ryan 2007 – 654

Young 2005 – 155
Tebow 2009 – 314
Newton 2010 – 280
Manziel 2013 – 429

Would you rather be thrown to more often for fewer yards, or have few opportunities?

I personally would like to see a DT QB, but if I was a receiver, I would definitely prefer more opportunities.
 
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Cosmo said:
P Manning 1997 – 477
Brees 2000 – 521
E Manning 2003 – 441
Ryan 2007 – 654

Young 2005 – 155
Tebow 2009 – 314
Newton 2010 – 280
Manziel 2013 – 429

Would you rather be thrown to more often for fewer yards, or have few opportunities?

I personally would like to see a DT QB, but if I was a receiver, I would definitely prefer more opportunities.
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I would rather score the same amount of tds or more and win bigger. The pocket passers didn't win as many games as the DT qbs. Its not even close.
 
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k-town_king said:
I would rather score the same amount of tds or more and win bigger. The pocket passers didn't win as many games as the DT qbs. Its not even close.
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Just making a point from a receiver's point of view. I want to win, but if I were a receiver, I would want every chance to get the ball. Pocket passers give the ball to receivers more frequently. That is a fact.
 
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engineerVOL said:
That's a good correlation right there.
But not the 'whole' story that lead to those Natty's.
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Vince Young, Tim Tebow and Cam Newton did largely carry their team to National Championships. Torrance Gibson has already proven he has the kind of talent to do the same (he carried his high school to a championship in one of the toughest divisions in the country).

In the NFL, pocket passing QBs win more consistently (Manning, Brady, Brees, etc.). In college, however, running QBs win games and its not even close. Does Tee Martin ring a bell?
 
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Skullbone said:
So you're saying it's a coincidence? I disagree.
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2013 FSU wins with a PS QB (only rushed for 219 yards the entire 2013 regular season)
2011 & 2012 Alabama wins with PS QB
2010 Auburn wins with DT QB
2009 Alabama wins with PS QB
2008 Florida wins with DT QB
2007 LSU wins with PS QB
2006 Florida wins with PS QB
2005 Texas wins with DT QB
2004 USC wins with PS QB

I would say that the ProStyle QBs still have their place in winning championships.
 
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Cosmo said:
2013 FSU wins with a PS QB (only rushed for 219 yards the entire 2013 regular season)
2011 & 2012 Alabama wins with PS QB
2010 Auburn wins with DT QB
2009 Alabama wins with PS QB
2008 Florida wins with DT QB
2007 LSU wins with PS QB
2006 Florida wins with PS QB
2005 Texas wins with DT QB
2004 USC wins with PS QB

I would say that the ProStyle QBs still have their place in winning championships.
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Winston is still a dual threat. You don't have to run all the time. Hence the "threat" part. McCarron was a game manager with a team with way more talent than anyone else. UF doesn't win without dt Tebow off the bench in short yardage. Leinart had Bush and a whole bunch of NFL talent. The teams that won based on the qb carrying them all had DT qbs.
 
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k-town_king said:
Winston is still a duel threat. You don't have to run all the time. Hence the "threat" part. McCarron was a game manager with a team with way more talent than anyone else. UF doesn't win without dt Tebow off the bench in short yardage. Leinart had Bush and a whole unch of NFL talent. The teams that won based on the qb carrying them all had DT qbs.
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Come on. Alabama's, USC's, and Florida's don't count? Leak was the QB for the first Florida natty regardless if Tebow came in for 2 or three goal line plays.
 
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k-town_king said:
Winston is still a dual threat. You don't have to run all the time. Hence the "threat" part. McCarron was a game manager with a team with way more talent than anyone else. UF doesn't win without dt Tebow off the bench in short yardage. Leinart had Bush and a whole bunch of NFL talent. The teams that won based on the qb carrying them all had DT qbs.
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Having a little mobility doesn't make you a dual threat. See Tee Martin. He and Jaimes both can elude a pass rush and pick up a first down with their athleticism, but neither are dual threat.
 
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Anyway bottom line is signing TG and actually putting him at QB is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. With Hurd, Kamara, Scott, North, Malone, P Willy etc on the field we need a distributer, period. Dobbs will be lethal if he developes his passing game to go with his ability to leave the pocket as a last resort combined with all the weapons. Perfect fit IMO. As for TG, sign him and use him like CP, crazy athletic return man/ WR/ end around reverse pass whatever.
 
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unioncityvol said:
Anyway bottom line is signing TG and actually putting him at QB is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. With Hurd, Kamara, Scott, North, Malone, P Willy etc on the field we need a distributer, period. Dobbs will be lethal if he developes his passing game to go with his ability to leave the pocket as a last resort combined with all the weapons. Perfect fit IMO. As for TG, sign him and use him like CP, crazy athletic return man/ WR/ end around reverse pass whatever.
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People continually kill the kid like he couldn't ever hit a 5 yard in route. Obviously there is something worth having there. Many many people have been screaming, posting, and creating threads about "wanting a DT Quarterback" but now they switch and say "Pro Style". Dobbs is the future at QB and the type of QB we need in the offense.

Im in no way saying Gibson is a full time starter at QB for Tennessee but I could see the kid in a situational role.
 
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Not to interrupt this back and forth, but a DT can still be pass first. Please see the last NFL draft for what that meant relating to Johnny Football and Mike Evans. This 'receivers will not come to UT because we have DT QBs' is a Tux supposition that is clearly false. The spread offenses in top college systems of today are finding their way in modified forms to the NFL. Receivers know that. But more to the point, the NFL means nothing to me relating to UT winning football games. Would much rather win football games than have bragging rights about UT Vols becoming good NFL players.
 
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