'15 JUCO CB Justin Martin (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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westside said:
Don't quote me on this but I think there is a loophole that if Martin, because he has a GED and not a high school diploma, gets his associate's degree that he would count as a transfer and only count against the 85 roster allotment and not the 25 man signing class limit.

Again I'm not 100 percent sure on that so don't hold me to it but it would explain why he's no official scheduled.
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This is not true. All transfers count against the initial counters rule, which is what really matters.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
He's talented, but simmer down a little bit. Players like Cam are very rare. Lets see him at least practice against SEC players before we label him "lockdown"

Von Pearson had some CP like expectations around here, and while he has been good, CP, he is not yet
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Pearson got hurt which slowed him down. CP also played on auch different offense, most would say s better offense. Pearson will be special ad well.
 
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BigVol80 said:
Pearson got hurt which slowed him down. CP also played on auch different offense, most would say s better offense. Pearson will be special ad well.
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Truth. How quickly folks forget.

CP doesn't shine near as bright his one and only season if Da'ricky doesn't pull his duh'ricky's. CP was going to be the third receiving option in that offense. When the opportunity arose to be the other starting WR he seized it. That opportunity has not happened for VP, along with having a lesser offense/OC to showcase him.

Martin at CB is an instant D upgrade. No brainer.
 
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Vols4us said:
Truth. How quickly folks forget.

CP doesn't shine near as bright his one and only season if Da'ricky doesn't pull his duh'ricky's. CP was going to be the third receiving option in that offense. When the opportunity arose to be the other starting WR he seized it. That opportunity has not happened for VP, along with having a lesser offense/OC to showcase him.

Martin at CB is an instant D upgrade. No brainer.
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Josh Smith says hi. Seriously though, our WRs have been mediocre this year. If Pearson was what we had hoped for, he could have cracked the starting lineup. It's fine, though, he has definitely been a contributor, which is what you hope for when going JUCO. He's shown flashes, so maybe by next season he can be a gamebreaker for us.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
Josh Smith says hi. Seriously though, our WRs have been mediocre this year. If Pearson was what we had hoped for, he could have cracked the starting lineup. It's fine, though, he has definitely been a contributor, which is what you hope for when going JUCO. He's shown flashes, so maybe by next season he can be a gamebreaker for us.
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Pearson has started every game that he has been healthy.

USU, ASU, OM, AL, USCjr

He is also third on the team in rec yards and second in TD's, despite missing 2 games and playing injured for another 2.
 
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While we are on the subject...the 25 man class SEC rule might be the dumbest rule of them all.

If I didn't know any better I would think it was put in by Slive to keep rebuilding programs, like UT, at a disadvantage while already established programs, like Alabama, keep rolling along.

Hopefully the new SEC commissioner abolishes this dumb rule. It not hurts rebuilding teams but also high school students who are unable to attend the college of their choice without an athletic scholarship.
 
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Madkins8 said:
This is not true. All transfers count against the initial counters rule, which is what really matters.
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Correct, at some point a juco transfer will be an initial counter; the question is when.

Having a GED vs. a high school diploma makes no difference in the equation. And, FWIW, Martin has said that he will make an official visit to UT (along w/ LSU & Georgia). His coach at NEO has stated that "We plan on getting him out by next summer. He'll be ready to rock and roll and wear that orange."

Looking at the NCAA rules, the only way I can see Martin's initial-counter status being deferred until 2016 is if he enrolls next fall but isn't given an athletic scholarship until spring semester. That's assuming I'm interpreting this bylaw correctly:

15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS]
A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete's first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term.

However, such a student-athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institutions total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received.
(Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
 
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westside said:
While we are on the subject...the 25 man class SEC rule might be the dumbest rule of them all.

If I didn't know any better I would think it was put in by Slive to keep rebuilding programs, like UT, at a disadvantage while already established programs, like Alabama, keep rolling along.

Hopefully the new SEC commissioner abolishes this dumb rule. It not hurts rebuilding teams but also high school students who are unable to attend the college of their choice without an athletic scholarship.
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The 25-man SEC rule really doesn't have much ass behind it. It basically only stops the signing of kids that you know aren't going to get into school. It has almost no impact on outcomes. The NCAA 25 rule has always been where the rubber meets the road.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
Josh Smith says hi. Seriously though, our WRs have been mediocre this year. If Pearson was what we had hoped for, he could have cracked the starting lineup. It's fine, though, he has definitely been a contributor, which is what you hope for when going JUCO. He's shown flashes, so maybe by next season he can be a gamebreaker for us.
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What are you talking about? Hard to start if you aren't healthy. When he had been he has started.
 
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Madkins8 said:
The 25-man SEC rule really doesn't have much ass behind it. It basically only stops the signing of kids that you know aren't going to get into school. It has almost no impact on outcomes. The NCAA 25 rule has always been where the rubber meets the road.
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No impact on outcomes? So we are going to be able to sign everyone we want?

We are going to have to turn down some very good players this year because of this dumb rule.
 
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westside said:
No impact on outcomes? So we are going to be able to sign everyone we want?

We are going to have to turn down some very good players this year because of this dumb rule.
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No, this year we are going to have to turn down players because of the 85 limit, not the yearly 25. We dont have enough roster spots to sign everyone we want.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
He's talented, but simmer down a little bit. Players like Cam are very rare. Lets see him at least practice against SEC players before we label him "lockdown"

Von Pearson had some CP like expectations around here, and while he has been good, CP, he is not yet
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He will never be CP. He does some things better than CP, like blocking, but he's nowhere near him athletically. He's like 40 lbs smaller, nowhere near even the same type of player. If they didn't both have dreads, no one would compare them at all IMO.
 
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I think Moseley, Williams, and Gaulden won't make that 2nd spot easy to take.
 
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chavisut said:
I think Moseley, Williams, and Gaulden won't make that 2nd spot easy to take.
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We'll have a 2nd and 3rd spot available with coleman leaving.

Speaking of corners, is it that difficult to rotate your best corner to follow the opposing top WR? If so, why doesn't every OC just put their best WR away from the best cb on the opposite side or in the slot every time and negate the defense's elite cb?
 
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jave36 said:
We'll have a 2nd and 3rd spot available with coleman leaving.

Speaking of corners, is it that difficult to rotate your best corner to follow the opposing top WR? If so, why doesn't every OC just put their best WR away from the best cb on the opposite side or in the slot every time and negate the defense's elite cb?
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Some CB's get locked into a side and replicate opening their hips to a certain side so much that a smooth transition isn't always that easy (although some can flip sides).

With hurry up offenses it's leaves a D prone to misalignment.

And they don't play man every play.

Most of the time it's not worth the risk, however I think it may have been with Cooper.
 
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Just a question here. I understand he's a great talent but if he didn't graduate high school, and has a GED, how difficult will it be to keep him eligible in college? I only bring this up because we are not North Carolina :):):).
 
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KnoxVegas said:
Some CB's get locked into a side and replicate opening their hips to a certain side so much that a smooth transition isn't always that easy (although some can flip sides).

With hurry up offenses it's leaves a D prone to misalignment.

And they don't play man every play.

Most of the time it's not worth the risk, however I think it may have been with Cooper.
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Good info, thanks. Just seems like having one great cb isn't very useful if you can avoid him so easily, although I guess you can send safety help to the other side. When there are 3 or 4 WR though, you're basically giving a free pass to the top WR lined up on the #3 cb, or so it seems.
 
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KnoxVegas said:
Some CB's get locked into a side and replicate opening their hips to a certain side so much that a smooth transition isn't always that easy (although some can flip sides).

With hurry up offenses it's leaves a D prone to misalignment.

And they don't play man every play.

Most of the time it's not worth the risk, however I think it may have been with Cooper.
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That does make alot of sense about being locked in to one side so much that they can't transition to flip when on the other side.Good post.
 
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jave36 said:
Good info, thanks. Just seems like having one great cb isn't very useful if you can avoid him so easily, although I guess you can send safety help to the other side. When there are 3 or 4 WR though, you're basically giving a free pass to the top WR lined up on the #3 cb, or so it seems.
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The safety help is a big thing. If you have a good enough corner to effectively cut off 1/3-1/2 of the field that makes things a lot easier on the defense and let's the DC get more creative
 
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jave36 said:
Good info, thanks. Just seems like having one great cb isn't very useful if you can avoid him so easily, although I guess you can send safety help to the other side. When there are 3 or 4 WR though, you're basically giving a free pass to the top WR lined up on the #3 cb, or so it seems.
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Good analysis.

Go back to the Bama game. Cooper I got 180+ yards in the first half. He got less than 50 in the second half. Why? Safety help over top on his side no matter where he lined up was the primary reason, unless he was heads up with Sutton. Bama uses less 4 wide sets. Sutton is special and can handle technique on either side of the field. They just choose to not match him up. Coaching decisions.

Fast forward to USCe. Stevie starts using Cooper II in the slot more because he knows the coaching tendencies above. Stevie uses 4 wide sets often. Our coaches never adjusted well in that game due to poor safety play. Again - if Sutton is assigned, Cooper II gets neutralized and the D probably doesn't give up 42 points. Coaching decisions.

Not trying to be a know it all. Just know what I know with the weekly help of a VFL former college/HS coach. The same one that kept yelling every play in the second half of the UF game, "throw to the TE down the middle", which Jake did well against UGA and totally forgot about against UF. Coaches are human, we all make mistakes.
 
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Batman1948 said:
Just a question here. I understand he's a great talent but if he didn't graduate high school, and has a GED, how difficult will it be to keep him eligible in college? I only bring this up because we are not North Carolina :):):).
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Always more problems getting the player eligible than keeping them in IF the player gives a damn.
 
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