'15 NC RB Rocky Reid (Wake Forest commit)

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LebanonVolunteer said:
I'm confident that any recruit UT decides to offer and or accept their commitment is a "baller". The * ranking really does not matter to me at that point where it clearly does to others. I do think loyalty in recruiting is possible and with what UTs coaches preach all the time SHOULD be held to a higher standard. For me it's simple. If the coaches think a recruit is 2nd rate, they should not be taking his commitment to begin with. They say yes, and IMO the kid should feel secure in his being a Vol.
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Who said anything about stars? I'm talking about the coaches recruiting to the top of THEIR board. Say player X wants to commit, he is a great player so the coaches say okay. However, through the course of the year the coaches develop a relationship with player Z, and player Z happens to be higher on their board for whatever reason. Finally player Z wants to commit, but you can't take both, what are you gonna do? I'm taking player Z. Yeah I might feel bad, but nothing is signed so that's business. It goes both ways.

And consider what other the loyalties the coaches have 1)Their employer to put the best product they can on the field. 2)Their families to put food on a table by keeping their jobs.

These 2 things I'm certain are far more important in a coaches mind than recruiting.
 
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Dust10 said:
Who said anything about stars? I'm talking about the coaches recruiting to the top of THEIR board. Say player X wants to commit, he is a great player so the coaches say okay. However, through the course of the year the coaches develop a relationship with player Z, and player Z happens to be higher on their board for whatever reason. Finally player Z wants to commit, but you can't take both, what are you gonna do? I'm taking player Z. Yeah I might feel bad, but nothing is signed so that's business. It goes both ways.

And consider what other the loyalties the coaches have 1)Their employer to put the best product they can on the field. 2)Their families to put food on a table by keeping their jobs.

These 2 things I'm certain are far more important in a coaches mind than recruiting.
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and 3) the fans who ultimately drive the money to the school
 
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Dust10 said:
Who said anything about stars? I'm talking about the coaches recruiting to the top of THEIR board. Say player X wants to commit, he is a great player so the coaches say okay. However, through the course of the year the coaches develop a relationship with player Z, and player Z happens to be higher on their board for whatever reason. Finally player Z wants to commit, but you can't take both, what are you gonna do? I'm taking player Z. Yeah I might feel bad, but nothing is signed so that's business. It goes both ways.

And consider what other the loyalties the coaches have 1)Their employer to put the best product they can on the field. 2)Their families to put food on a table by keeping their jobs.

These 2 things I'm certain are far more important in a coaches mind than recruiting.
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I take the kid who I accepted the earlier commitment from. As long as he has stayed out of trouble and has his grades in order, I will honor my accepting his commitment and he would be a Vol. I get a lot of fans like to view it as a business and step on anyone you have to. The problem is how can a coaching staff preach integrity, family, foundation, and all the other BS and then pull shady stuff along the way? If you're a coach and want to run things like a "business", just be honest and say that so recruits and their families know up front you would drop them in a second if a "possibly better" player wants that spot. As I've said, if you're not going to honor the commitment, just don't take it.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I'm confident that any recruit UT decides to offer and or accept their commitment is a "baller". The * ranking really does not matter to me at that point where it clearly does to others. I do think loyalty in recruiting is possible and with what UTs coaches preach all the time SHOULD be held to a higher standard. For me it's simple. If the coaches think a recruit is 2nd rate, they should not be taking his commitment to begin with. They say yes, and IMO the kid should feel secure in his being a Vol.
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Reid and Dauphine are rated the same number of stars. It's not about stars it's about who the staff ultimately think is better. Most of us just go off offer list and highlight tape to guess unless we can see a kid in person several times. A lot of it is guessing but sometimes you see a kid like Patrick Willis and you're like damn why are we not after this guy. Stars don't matter for some.

I had hoped a few years ago the staff would look at the Williamson kid from Milan that ended up with UK and later drafted to the NFL and had everyone berate me over that.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I take the kid who I accepted the earlier commitment from. As long as he has stayed out of trouble and has his grades in order, I will honor my accepting his commitment and he would be a Vol. I get a lot of fans like to view it as a business and step on anyone you have to. The problem is how can a coaching staff preach integrity, family, foundation, and all the other BS and then pull shady stuff along the way? If you're a coach and want to run things like a "business", just be honest and say that so recruits and their families know up front you would drop them in a second if a "possibly better" player wants that spot. As I've said, if you're not going to honor the commitment, just don't take it.
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It's just not how it works. You know this. Players have the right to break the bond just like the coaches.

You can sell the family atmosphere and integrity when you live it day after day with your players. Butch has fostered the family environment. Current players and recruits see it and believe it.

Making a decision to move on from a player because you find a better fit doesn't make you a bad person. It's part of the job to build a top 10 program. Just like a great recruit who finds a better fit with another program.

You don't have to like it ... but it's the system.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I take the kid who I accepted the earlier commitment from. As long as he has stayed out of trouble and has his grades in order, I will honor my accepting his commitment and he would be a Vol. I get a lot of fans like to view it as a business and step on anyone you have to. The problem is how can a coaching staff preach integrity, family, foundation, and all the other BS and then pull shady stuff along the way? If you're a coach and want to run things like a "business", just be honest and say that so recruits and their families know up front you would drop them in a second if a "possibly better" player wants that spot. As I've said, if you're not going to honor the commitment, just don't take it.
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You don't think the vast majority of recruits at this level all know their spot is up for grabs at anytime? Getting a scholly at an SEC school is a highly competitive endeavor. Seems like it would be naive to always assume a verbal commitment guarantees you anything.
 
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Mike4Vols said:
It's just not how it works. You know this. Players have the right to break the bond just like the coaches.

You can sell the family atmosphere and integrity when you live it day after day with your players. Butch has fostered the family environment. Current players and recruits see it and believe it.

Making a decision to move on from a player because you find a better fit doesn't make you a bad person. It's part of the job to build a top 10 program. Just like a great recruit who finds a better fit with another program.

You don't have to like it ... but it's the system.
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I agree that recruits can break the bond as well. Unless they are taking visits, IMO a recruit is not "breaking the bond" and therefore should feel secure in his commitment and him having a spot. You can't really use this as an excuse to drop recruits who are not taking these supposed trips. Most have noted me being straight forward with my opinion on this. Preston Williams, Cecil Cherry, or whoever. If they are taking trips, I don't care what they are ranked, their spot is up for grabs. Recruits who are not taking trips IMO are not part of this opinion.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I agree that recruits can break the bond as well. Unless they are taking visits, IMO a recruit is not "breaking the bond" and therefore should feel secure in his commitment and him having a spot. You can't really use this as an excuse to drop recruits who are not taking these supposed trips. Most have noted me being straight forward with my opinion on this. Preston Williams, Cecil Cherry, or whoever. If they are taking trips, I don't care what they are ranked, their spot is up for grabs. Recruits who are not taking trips IMO are not part of this opinion.
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But recruits are free to move on to another school with no restrictions? Again, I've seen your posts saying a recruit should lose his spot if he takes visits. I admire your consistency but .... that's not the way this system works.

Until rules are in place to restrict BOTH sides of this equation, I have no issue with either side moving on to greener pastures.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
You know how it works on here. If it's a 4* or a 5* who as mentioned Tennessee at all means all the 2*-3* current commits are on the chopping block and getting teed up to be dropped. It's just recruiting and ALL schools do it. CBJ bases his evals on 247 rankings. Everyone knows this. Duh.

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I think Butch relies heavily on Forrest Davis
 
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Dust10 said:
You don't think the vast majority of recruits at this level all know their spot is up for grabs at anytime? Getting a scholly at an SEC school is a highly competitive endeavor. Seems like it would be naive to always assume a verbal commitment guarantees you anything.
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I don't.

I can't imagine most recruits go through the whole process of having their announcement ceremony at their HS with their family and friends and when they make their commitment they say, "I am committing to the University of Tennessee and hope to play there as long as they don't replace me before NSD".

I do tend to think most recruits and their families believe what a college coach tells them, especially one who has agreed to take the commitment of said recruit as part of their program.
 
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I think it's fairly obvious this isn't the way the system works, or at least for Tennessee under this coaching staff. We can hope and dream all we want but it's just not reality.
 
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Mike4Vols said:
But recruits are free to move on to another school with no restrictions? Again, I've seen your posts saying a recruit should lose his spot if he takes visits. I admire your consistency but .... that's not the way this system works.

Until rules are in place to restrict BOTH sides of this equation, I have no issue with either side moving on to greener pastures.
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Recruits who are not taking visits are usually not a strong candidate to flip. I see it as simple. If the recruit commits and takes no trips, he should be secure. If he wants to "have fun" and enjoy the visits, he's on the chopping block. IMO that system would work just fine. IMO that would give both sides some consistency. If a recruit is not taking trips, the staff can feel good that the spot is full. If the kid wants to take trips, he knows his spot is no longer a sure thing. The staff would then have an opportunity to fill that spot or continue to recruit the guy IF they wanted to keep him.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I agree that recruits can break the bond as well. Unless they are taking visits, IMO a recruit is not "breaking the bond" and therefore should feel secure in his commitment and him having a spot. You can't really use this as an excuse to drop recruits who are not taking these supposed trips. Most have noted me being straight forward with my opinion on this. Preston Williams, Cecil Cherry, or whoever. If they are taking trips, I don't care what they are ranked, their spot is up for grabs. Recruits who are not taking trips IMO are not part of this opinion.
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The coach has a commitment to the university and the players currently on the team. If a committed player isn't performing up to where we think they need to be whether be on the field performance, academics, or conduct then Jones has to reevaluate the position. Do you think that evaluation stops when we except a commitment? We still reevaluate players on the team why would recruits be any different?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I agree loyalty has to be a 2 way street. Unfortunately I have seen this UT staff not do things the right way at times. I do hope this was a case where they did not. IMO Reid is a big time RB and it will hurt if we lose him. Tough for me to say what I think for sure as I don't know if Reid started the visit talk before or after CBJ stated looking at more RBs.

IMO what Reid and his family should do is ask CBJ a direct question IF he still wants to be a Vol. "If I don't take any other visits but UT, will you stop pushing for other RBs"? If CBJ says no, RR has got to do what's best for him. At times 1 question IMO solves a lot of problems.
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I think this would be a fair question. However, you have admitted you don't know the scenario. None of us do. I can definitely see the possibility that as the season progressed and Butch realized we are more thin that we thought at RB that he decided he needed to sign 3 guys. That is not a slight toward Reid. It is a need for more bodies. In that event, as long as he communicated that, then Reid has no need to go on other visits. It seems right now Reid is still a Vol - Butch has not indicated that he doesn't want Reid - both sides are covering themselves in case the other has a change of heart.
 
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DaddyChad said:
The coach has a commitment to the university and the players currently on the team. If a committed player isn't performing up to where we think they need to be whether be on the field performance, academics, or conduct then Jones has to reevaluate the position. Do you think that evaluation stops when we except a commitment? We still reevaluate players on the team why would recruits be any different?
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Hell, our schollys are only guaranteed for a year. What sort of guarantees need to be given to players not yet on scholly? Zero.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I don't.

I can't imagine most recruits go through the whole process of having their announcement ceremony at their HS with their family and friends and when they make their commitment they say, "I am committing to the University of Tennessee and hope to play there as long as they don't replace me before NSD".

I do tend to think most recruits and their families believe what a college coach tells them, especially one who has agreed to take the commitment of said recruit as part of their program.
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How do you know what kinds of conversations take place though? Is it not possible it has been explained to the recruit that the staff will continue to recruit the position? If a kid commits knowing that then what are the coaches doing so wrong? There are ALWAYS two sides to the situation.
 
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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
How do you know what kinds of conversations take place though? Is it not possible it has been explained to the recruit that the staff will continue to recruit the position? If a kid commits knowing that then what are the coaches doing so wrong? There are ALWAYS two sides to the situation.
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You're right I don't know for sure. All I can do is look at it as if I were part of it. If I were a recruit and wanted to commit to a school and in doing so the coach who has been pushing for me to commit informed me he may try and recruit over me in my class therefore leaving me without a spot, I would obviously not commit to that school. I have no doubt that just about every recruit who commits at least believes that day his spot is now secure.

You can be sure that every random fan who is fine with recruiting being a "business" and dropping recruits who have long been committed to a given school and then leaving them in a situation where they have to start the process all over has never had a child go through that process. "no big deal, they have 3 weeks to find a new school". "CBJ is just doing what is best for both parties". Can't help but laugh.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
You're right I don't know for sure. All I can do is look at it as if I were part of it. If I were a recruit and wanted to commit to a school and in doing so the coach who has been pushing for me to commit informed me he may try and recruit over me in my class therefore leaving me without a spot, I would obviously not commit to that school. I have no doubt that just about every recruit who commits at least believes that day his spot is now secure.

You can be sure that every random fan who is fine with recruiting being a "business" and dropping recruits who have long been committed to a given school and then leaving them in a situation where they have to start the process all over has never had a child go through that process. "no big deal, they have 3 weeks to find a new school". "CBJ is just doing what is best for both parties". Can't help but laugh.
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IMO, this is where an early signing period would be perfect in CFB. Kids would know where they stand with schools and schools would know where they stand with kids as well. It's a win-win for all parties involved iyam. It's amazing to me there already isn't one, but this is the NCAA we are talking about.
 
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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
IMO, this is where an early signing period would be perfect in CFB. Kids would know where they stand with schools and schools would know where they stand with kids as well. It's a win-win for all parties involved iyam. It's amazing to me there already isn't one, but this is the NCAA we are talking about.
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Yeah, I just said pretty much the same thing in the Cherry thread about an early signing period.
 
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butchna said:
”My commitment to*Tennessee*is solid,” saidRocky Reid. “I’m excited about the opportunity to play in front of over 100,000 fans. It’s going to be a great experience.”Since his commitment, the 6-foot, 215-pound Reid has stayed in constant contact with Tennessee’s running back coach Robert Gillespie.”I have the closest relationship with him,” Reid said. “We’re getting closer and closer every week. When we talk, we mainly talk about how school and my season are going.”Reid has been impressed with what coach Butch Jones has done since he took over last year.”Coach Jones has done a great job recruiting and he’s getting Tennessee back to where they used to be,” said Reid.The Concord standout recently visited Rocky Top.”I was actually just there a few weeks ago for the Alabama game,” Reid said. “It was a great trip, but just a tough loss for us. The atmosphere stood out to me. It’s amazing and I love it.”I haven’t taken my official visit yet. I’ll probably take it in the next couple weeks, though.”While his commitment to Tennessee is firm, Reid will visit another school in the near future.”Georgia*offered me a few weeks ago and I’m visiting there this weekend,” he said. “But I haven’t decided if it’s going to be an official or unofficial. I’m not sure if I’m going to visit anywhere else yet.”Concord is 11-0 and Reid is hoping to have a strong finish to his career.”We’re focused on trying to win a state championship,” he said. “We have to stay together and keeping working hard.”
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