15 Numbers: November Edition

#77
#77
MemphisCanes said:
I mean, what percentage of offensive rebounds does UT pull back out and restart the offense, as opposed to going right back up to the basket? 20%?
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Fair point. If it happens twice more than it does for other teams, there is two possessions right there. How much slower to we force other teams to play? Maybe that's worth 2 possessions per game. I'm just throwing out numbers to give an example. If UT averaged 4 more possessions per game, would that be considered slow? Where would that rank nationally?

When I think of pace, in my mind, I think of offense and slowing it down. It doesn't bother me that we slow down other team's offenses. Personally, I think that is why we've had success against some teams. They are bothered by tough man to man defense.
 
#79
#79
All 351 teams this year. Poss/Game on the x-axis, OR% on the y-axis

There's no correlation between offensive rebounding and tempo.
 

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#80
#80
Guys. I don't care if we play Bo ball as long as we get to the tourney and make some noise.
The team I saw against Wake could do that.
 
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#82
is this another thread to somehow try to prove a previous point/s a few weeks ago? Stats are for statisticians, not basketball people.
Throwing a Barton assist % in there or whatever the f that is was put in for a subtle point of some sort?, followed by "the fanbase *****ing" about offense. Thin as saran wrap.

When you get away from useless stats and want to talk hoops, I'm always here. When you want to maneuver silly stats to try to back a stance, I'll be here to shoot them down.
 
#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
Like I've said since the first X game, our offense is fine, it's our defense that has been an issue. If we improve our consistency from the ft line, and continue to improve on defense we will improve tremendously as a team.
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our walking it up offense and motion halfcourt offense against Xavier the first game for the first 12 minutes and scoring 7 pts was fine?
Basketball people here knew we could run them out of the gym and a double digit win at tipoff if the game was managed properly, which is what happened in game 2, after they had 2 starters back. That L had nothing to do with defense. Hopefully, it's not an L that keeps us out of the tourney.
 
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#84
#84
calban said:
Guys. I don't care if we play Bo ball as long as we get to the tourney and make some noise.
The team I saw against Wake could do that.
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See WF average possessions per game? Maybe that's your answer to how we should play the LSU game.
 
#86
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Spartacavolus said:
our walking it up offense and motion halfcourt offense against Xavier the first game for the first 12 minutes and scoring 7 pts was fine?
Basketball people here knew we could run them out of the gym and a double digit win at tipoff if the game was managed properly, which is what happened in game 2, after they had 2 starters back. That L had nothing to do with defense. Hopefully, it's not an L that keeps us out of the tourney.
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Interesting, cause we had 7 less possessions in Game 2 versus Xavier, yet "ran them out of the gym" apparently.

Curious how many on this board think 58 possessions a game is running someone out of the gym?

Also, if you think letting them shoot 48% in game one and barely 40% in game 2 wasn't part of the difference idk what to tell you.
 
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#88
bleedingTNorange said:
Interesting, cause we had 7 less possessions in Game 2 versus Xavier, yet "ran them out of the gym" apparently.

Curious how many on this board think 58 possessions a game is running someone out of the gym?
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Can't believe I have to do this again:
we had:
-4 more attempted fgs
-8 more ft's
-5 more offensive rebounds which doesn't count as a new possession
-12 more total rebounds, of which 7 count as a change of possession
-4 less turnovers.
That's how we ran them out of the gym and has 0 to do with possessions per game, for the 20th time.
 
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#90
Spartacavolus said:
Can't believe I have to do this again:
we had:
-4 more attempted fgs
-8 more ft's
-5 more offensive rebounds which doesn't count as a new possession
-12 more total rebounds, of which 7 count as a change of possession
-4 less turnovers.
That's how we ran them out of the gym and has 0 to do with possessions per game, for the 20th time.
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So in other words we didn't actually RUN anymore, we simply shot free throws better, rebounder better, and took care of the ball better?
 
#92
#92
bleedingTNorange said:
So in other words we didn't actually RUN anymore, we simply shot free throws better, rebounder better, and took care of the ball better?
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Did we get the ball up the floor and attack early in the shot clock or did we walk it up and then run the motion offense for 20 seconds?
Rhetorical question. that's pace. And that's why big fella that lit us up was tired early. We didn't give him 20 seconds to sit still on the block and catch his breath. Just like some of us suggested prior to X game 1.
If you and Z would quit trying to be right about your offbase possessions/pace argument, you can just watch the offense and decide what pace on the offensive end means. It doesn't mean Nolan Richardson. It mean attack early with no wasted motion so the D can't sit there, get ready, and get their breath.
 
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#95
#95
Having advanced numbers help. Having more data never hurts. It's ignorant to just say "Numbers mean nothing". There are numerous instances where people have used advanced metrics to help their team. Mark Cuban took ownership of the perennial NBA bottom feeder, put in advanced metrics minded people, and put together a decade of 50 win seasons.

Numbers don't tell the whole story nor should make the story, but ignoring data is simply a way of saying "I'm too lazy to learn new ways" "I'm too stubborn on my ways to alter my thinking" or "Stats are pointless because they don't get in line with my thinking."

What's wrong with looking at certain numbers to see what it says about our team again? What does that hurt?
 
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#96
#96
Spartacavolus said:
is this another thread to somehow try to prove a previous point/s a few weeks ago? Stats are for statisticians, not basketball people.
Throwing a Barton assist % in there or whatever the f that is was put in for a subtle point of some sort?, followed by "the fanbase *****ing" about offense. Thin as saran wrap.

When you get away from useless stats and want to talk hoops, I'm always here. When you want to maneuver silly stats to try to back a stance, I'll be here to shoot them down.
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It means Barton needs to be more of a playmaker.

That is pretty simple to understand.
 
#97
#97
Someone needs to tell Bo Ryan that he needs to be a basketball coach and stop being a statistician.
 
#99
#99
zjcvols said:
It means Barton needs to be more of a playmaker.

That is pretty simple to understand.
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Is that what this offense is? 1-4 dependent on a pg playmaker with pick and rolls and clearouts for him to be a playmaker? Nope. Is that simple for you to understand?

Fact is you dogged the Trae/Barton trade and called people embiciles that called it an upgrade and take your shots when you can, though we all know it was. Again, like before, some of your stats are worthless.

And I will remind you that you also said you were done with CM and that he wasn't the man, so what difference does it make anyway.
 
#100
#100
too stubborn in my ways of thinking? Kid, you are clueless.

I just don't take useless stats to support an argument. I thought I taught you that lesson a couple of weeks ago regarding the possessions/gm debate when you brought out the stat and called everybody a dumbass that knows a quick paced offense benefits this group.
 
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