15 Numbers: November Edition

#101
#101
In the past, when our teams really struggled offensively in half-court sets (thanks in part to no outside threats), then we benefited pushing the ball. However, I think that was offset in many instances with poor transition defense going back the other way. So it was kind of a wash. They could play at any pace and it wouldn't effect their chances of winning much.

So far this year, I think we are actually better offensively when we slow it down. Grabbing offensive boards is obviously huge, but also it seems like we've got a couple guys who can knock down the 3 which opponents have to respect. And we've done a good job at getting to the line without having to push it.
 
#104
#104
golfballs said:
In the past, when our teams really struggled offensively in half-court sets (thanks in part to no outside threats), then we benefited pushing the ball. However, I think that was offset in many instances with poor transition defense going back the other way. So it was kind of a wash. They could play at any pace and it wouldn't effect their chances of winning much.

So far this year, I think we are actually better offensively when we slow it down. Grabbing offensive boards is obviously huge, but also it seems like we've got a couple guys who can knock down the 3 which opponents have to respect. And we've done a good job at getting to the line without having to push it.
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we aren't better when we slow it down and milk the shot clock. Not by any means.
 
#105
#105
Spartacavolus said:
Is that what this offense is? 1-4 dependent on a pg playmaker with pick and rolls and clearouts for him to be a playmaker? Nope. Is that simple for you to understand?

Fact is you dogged the Trae/Barton trade and called people embiciles that called it an upgrade and take your shots when you can, though we all know it was. Again, like before, some of your stats are worthless.

And I will remind you that you also said you were done with CM and that he wasn't the man, so what difference does it make anyway.
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And this team needs more Barton driving and dishing to be better. He can stroke it and play off ball well but if UT wants to become elite then the need someone to be able to make plays in the paint. Last year's Final Four group featured Trey Burke, Michael Carter Williams, and Peyton Siva. Not an accident.

Also, this team would be 5-2 with Trae Golden. Maybe 6-1 if Barton had not completely no showed the UTEP game. Where was the improved leadership that AB would provide when the team got down? I thought he was going to help in that department?

And I have no idea what me losing faith in CM has to do with this conversation.
 
#107
#107
Spartacavolus said:
too stubborn in my ways of thinking? Kid, you are clueless.

I just don't take useless stats to support an argument. I thought I taught you that lesson a couple of weeks ago regarding the possessions/gm debate when you brought out the stat and called everybody a dumbass that knows a quick paced offense benefits this group.
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Let's see?

Someone who uses stats to back up his arguments, admits stats should never be the full story, believes you should combine both statistical analysis and what you see to develop your game plans and play style...

or...

Someone who uses the fact he has played and coached the game to back up his claims, says stats are worthless, and never used stats to back up his points, only his experience and knowledge of the game he believes we should all agree with.

I'll gladly keep being the clueless one old man.
 
#110
#110
golfballs said:
moneyball *cough* *cough*

I think if anything it makes MORE sense when applied to games played on consistent playing surfaces, as opposed to baseball where you've got all kinds of different shaped ballparks.
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The reason I think baseball is a better indicator than basketball is because of teammates. They have developed numbers to work around park effects.

I like using percentage numbers than total numbers for basketball because it shows better what you are doing on the court despite the number of minutes and possessions. I really like using lineup groups. I'm not big on plus/minuses. I like using points per possessions over per game numbers to look at offense and defense. I prefer effective field goal percentage and true shooting percentage.

I love free throw rate. Free throws are a huge correlation to winning. Free throw rate is a really good number.
 
#111
#111
zjcvols said:
Let's see?

Someone who uses stats to back up his arguments, admits stats should never be the full story, believes you should combine both statistical analysis and what you see to develop your game plans and play style...

or...

Someone who uses the fact he has played and coached the game to back up his claims, says stats are worthless, and never used stats to back up his points, only his experience and knowledge of the game he believes we should all agree with.

I'll gladly keep being the clueless one old man.
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one of us listened and learned on the way up and one of us thinks they know it all at 22.
Stats aren't worthless. Just some of the bs ones you have pulled up lately. Poss/gm, asst %, ft rate.;. If you'd spend less time trying to prove your poor stances correct, you may learn something.
 
#113
#113
zjcvols said:
I love free throw rate. Free throws are a huge correlation to winning. Free throw rate is a really good number.
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so since Maymon has a great ft rate and leads the league, I assume he is who we want with the ball and on the line in the crunch? Maybe 2nd choice? 3rd? No. Probably 8th. That's why that stat means nothing.
 
#114
#114
Spartacavolus said:
one of us listened and learned on the way up and one of us thinks they know it all at 22.
Stats aren't worthless. Just some of the bs ones you have pulled up lately. Poss/gm, asst %, ft rate.;. If you'd spend less time trying to prove your poor stances correct, you may learn something.
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Apparently you don't even know what some of them are.

If you'd spend less time trying to dismiss any argument that involve numbers instead of being stubborn, maybe you can learn something too.
 
#115
#115
Spartacavolus said:
I know what it means and it means squat. When Maymon goes to the line he hits 6 of 10. When the game is on the line, I don't want him up there. Stat that one.
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Not using stats correctly.

Color me shocked.
 
#116
#116
zjcvols said:
Apparently you don't even know what some of them are.

If you'd spend less time trying to dismiss any argument that involve numbers instead of being stubborn, maybe you can learn something too.
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Gotcha. So tell me again what Maymon's % you listed means for the team.
I'll hang up and listen.
 
#118
#118
Spartacavolus said:
So when Maymon does go to the line, how many out of 10 does he hit? I said 6 and you tell me I'm wrong with a smartass comment to boot.
How many out of 10 does he hit?
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I didn't say you were wrong. I said you used the stat incorrectly.
 
#120
#120
Spartacavolus said:
Gotcha. So tell me again what Maymon's % you listed means for the team.
I'll hang up and listen.
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It means Maymon's ability to get to the line is good. More free throws=easier chances for points. Keep getting Maymon the ball in the paint in one on one situations.

If Maymon gets fouled five times for two shots, and gets six points, that's pretty decent. That's six points for five possessions. If he can get that to 70% like I think, even better.
 
#121
#121
Spartacavolus said:
so the stat you gave for Maymon at ft % is best in the league.
Tell us how that is a positive for this team for a player shooting 60%
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He needs to convert more and he will. He shot 66% for a post his junior year, which is solid.
 
#122
#122
zjcvols said:
He needs to convert more and he will. He shot 66% for a post his junior year, which is solid.
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exactly. His % is the key stat. You can't keep going to a guy shooting 60%, especially if he is getting there often, unless you are trying to get in the double bonus on somebody. He needs to shoot 70% or finish instead of drawing fouls. Combination of both would be best of course.
 
#123
#123
bleedingTNorange said:
See WF average possessions per game? Maybe that's your answer to how we should play the LSU game.
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I'm for slowing them down and taking them out of their comfort zone. We're not deep enough to run the legs off of Stokes and Maymon.

On Wake. Played them 62 possessions and still scored +80.
impressive effective ratio.
 
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