'15 TN ATH Nathan Cottrell

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BigOrangeTrain said:
I wonder why LSU would be interested? I mean according to some this kid is overrated and doesn't play the best competition in the country. Therefore he must not be that good.
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I think they just want to be be right about something. Local kids don't go D1 very often. So just say he's not good enough, and 95% of the time they will be right. I think "they" missed on this kid. Looks great to my untrained eyes.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I wonder why LSU would be interested? I mean according to some this kid is overrated and doesn't play the best competition in the country. Therefore he must not be that good.
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C'mon guys. Nobody saying we shouldn't offer is saying this. He was invited to UT's practice we are interested too. With no offer we are interested as him as a walk on as is LSU at this point
 
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OddFuture said:
C'mon guys. Nobody saying we shouldn't offer is saying this. He was invited to UT's practice we are interested too. With no offer we are interested as him as a walk on as is LSU at this point
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Lots of people were saying pass, and they didn't want him. That he was not D1 material, he was white, level of competition, from E.Tenn. I'll bet he has 5-10 D1 offers by the end of the summer. :hi:
 
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localvol said:
Lots of people were saying pass, and they didn't want him. That he was not D1 material, he was white, level of competition, from E.Tenn. I'll bet he has 5-10 D1 offers by the end of the summer. :hi:
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If he does I will be surprised and I will eat my words. Interest from LSU and UT doesn't mean big time offers are coming. We will see though. I wish nothing but success for the young man
 
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localvol said:
Lots of people were saying pass, and they didn't want him. That he was not D1 material, he was white, level of competition, from E.Tenn. I'll bet he has 5-10 D1 offers by the end of the summer. :hi:
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My friend, I bet if you broke down the opinions of posters in this thread, it would be

10% take: best athlete in the country, must get

20% pass: competition level, local, lack of scholarship offers, etc

70% wait and see: let's see who begins to offer scholarships, additional camp performances, TN's level of interest, and senior season before we pass judgment

It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Stopping harping on the 20% and the conversation can move past that negativity. :hi:

Charlie hegedus thread from 2012 (iirc) would be a good model to follow, IMO. A poster (former Vol) was related to him, kept us up to date, and didn't interact with negative comments.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
My friend, I bet if you broke down the opinions of posters in this thread, it would be

10% take: best athlete in the country, must get

20% pass: competition level, local, lack of scholarship offers, etc

70% wait and see: let's see who begins to offer scholarships, additional camp performances, TN's level of interest, and senior season before we pass judgment

It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Stopping harping on the 20% and the conversation can move past that negativity. :hi:

Charlie hegedus thread from 2012 (iirc) would be a good model to follow, IMO. A poster (former Vol) was related to him, kept us up to date, and didn't interact with negative comments.
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Jalen McClesky thread is also a good example.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
My friend, I bet if you broke down the opinions of posters in this thread, it would be

10% take: best athlete in the country, must get

20% pass: competition level, local, lack of scholarship offers, etc

70% wait and see: let's see who begins to offer scholarships, additional camp performances, TN's level of interest, and senior season before we pass judgment

It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Stopping harping on the 20% and the conversation can move past that negativity. :hi:

Charlie hegedus thread from 2012 (iirc) would be a good model to follow, IMO. A poster (former Vol) was related to him, kept us up to date, and didn't interact with negative comments.
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I don't really post that often, as most of the things I would say have already been said. I didn't post in this thread for like 500 posts or something. After a while I couldn't stand it any more. This is a local kid that is a fantastic athlete, and the fastest player in the country. No one should hate on him. I'm sorry that it upsets me, but it does. I am not related to him, nor have I ever met him. I just pull for TN kids. It gives me a little more pride to see a TN kid play for UT.:angel:
 
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If his 4.35 is legit and he can consistently reproduce that time, then I can't really imagine why CBJ wouldn't offer. It appears he's one of those recruits that sort of shows up later in the recruiting cycle for whatever reason and his opportunities may show up closer to signing day? Hope he continues the camp circuit and showing up at UT when possible to develop familiarity with the staff. I'd love to see him in orange with that type of speed.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
My friend, I bet if you broke down recruits as follows:

This sounds a lot like the dooley recruiting strategy:

10% take: best athlete in the country, must get (but why bother, this level of athlete will not sign with us)

20% pass: competition level, local, lack of scholarship offers, etc ( bread and butter...cannot miss diamonds in these rough. Dooley will load up on these recruits and shock the world)

70% wait and see: let's see who begins to offer scholarships, additional camp performances, TN's level of interest, and senior season before we pass judgment (in other words show little to no interest and get left behind...also a cornerstone of the dooley recruiting .
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Of course, there were those statistical aberrations...good players that came to Tennessee despite this recruiting strategy :)

Sorry to butcher/plagiarize your post nick, but it just seemed to perfectly sum up a 3 year period in UT football history also referred to as our dark ages...
 
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This guy has great measurables, but if you compare his film to Rocky Reid's film you can see the difference. This guy is almost stiff when he runs. He doesn't make cuts, he turns. He's a great athlete though, but his future is not at RB.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
My friend, I bet if you broke down the opinions of posters in this thread, it would be

10% take: best athlete in the country, must get

20% pass: competition level, local, lack of scholarship offers, etc

70% wait and see: let's see who begins to offer scholarships, additional camp performances, TN's level of interest, and senior season before we pass judgment

It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Stopping harping on the 20% and the conversation can move past that negativity. :hi:

Charlie hegedus thread from 2012 (iirc) would be a good model to follow, IMO. A poster (former Vol) was related to him, kept us up to date, and didn't interact with negative comments.
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Good post. Anyone know how Hegedus panned out at NC St?
 
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localvol said:
I don't really post that often, as most of the things I would say have already been said. I didn't post in this thread for like 500 posts or something. After a while I couldn't stand it any more. This is a local kid that is a fantastic athlete, and the fastest player in the country. No one should hate on him. I'm sorry that it upsets me, but it does. I am not related to him, nor have I ever met him. I just pull for TN kids. It gives me a little more pride to see a TN kid play for UT.:angel:
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Well said and right there with you!!! :salute:..An unintended casualty of educated recruitniks,is the loss of seeing beyond stars and recruiting scout/camp hyperbole...the reason that programs like Boise State put players in the NFL,is they can't abide by that line of thinking...a player like Cottrell balls out?...they don't overthink it...they can't!!! Luckily for us,Butch hasn't abandoned his small school roots completely...it will benefit us with kids like this...I say take this kid's commit to go along with the Non-Italian Stallion's and smile at this next class :yess:
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
This guy has great measurables, but if you compare his film to Rocky Reid's film you can see the difference. This guy is almost stiff when he runs. He doesn't make cuts, he turns. He's a great athlete though, but his future is not at RB.
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Again I think comparing Cottrell to Reid is just a bad comparison. Reid is a great back and great pick up for UT. He's your power back like a Jamal Lewis/Travis Henry...Cottrell is more like Travis Stephens who has power but is more of a speed back. Both 180-190...If you looked at film of Jamal or Henry and compared to Stephens I'd say most would like the bigger guys. But all were very successful RBs at UT.

If you live in the Knoxville area go see this kid play. He is a RB at the next level,best kick returner I have seen at High school level. I saw him a couple times last year and was impressed with the kid taking over games. And yes Rocky Reid's style is very different from Cottrell but he does make cuts,just quicker then you think that does not show up on film as much as a shifter Reid. His pro aglility is like 4.09 which would indicate he's not that stiff.And lets be honest most of his film is one cut and he's gone. No one can run with him. I think one cut in upfield is the only thing that works in the SEC...

Will see where he ends up but it will be some place big rather its in the SEC or not. UT may not be best fit for him but I'd luv for them to offer.
 
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Why the comparisons to Reid? Bryce Love is the one to compare to, and one that we not only have offered, but are sitting in good shape. For the record, Love's recent 40 time is 0.05 seconds faster.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Good grief. Are you cereal? The whole defense is directly in front of a RB

Maybe if you play WR. RB is 80% vision and change of direction quickness
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You obviously did not see Rocket Ismial take a sweep against UT to the endzone and was not a darn thing the UT defense could do about it. He had no moves.
 
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