'15 TN ATH Nathan Cottrell

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Brillovol said:
It was at the DCNFTC. Not sure if it was laser-timed or not though.
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They were both NFTC times, which are taken identically.

Both are inflated because it isn't the same laser process as the combine, but you can certainly compare them "apples to apples."
 
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Not saying it is definitely the case in this instance. But acting like a player that is undersized, does not have good vision, lacks change of direction, and lacks start-and-stop speed is automatically superior to another player because he runs a 4.35 and the other player 'only' runs a 4.45 is beyond ignorant and needs to stop. Again, I have not done in depth research and film study to know if that is the case with Cottrell. I have no idea. But he is not the only case of people doing this type of thing. A RB running a 4.35 on a track in shorts can mean VERY LITTLE on a football field in pads and cleats when comparing him to another player who ran a 4.45 on a track in shorts. Stop marginalizing the composite of the skills required to play the game of football. It does not reflect well on your level of intelligence.

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titansvolsfaninga said:
Give him a track schollie and be done with it. He's not elusive enough to play rb or wr IMO. CJ2K is fast but not elusive as well.
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Using a former All-Pro NFL RB who has a sustained career in the NFL as an example to illustrate how a player similar to Cottrell can't be successful as a football player seems.......
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localvol said:
SPARQ is very proud of the fact that they use the same system's as the NFL combine. Until I know Love's 40 was on the laser. I will assume that it is an inflated time. :hi:
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I'm just not buying the "he's not elusive" or "he is stiff" talk. As part of the Sparq testing his "agility" was rated in the 99th percentile. Just because it does not show up much on his film(he is quickly past everyone), does not mean the kid can't play RB. IMO his rushing stats, and YPC says he can very much play the RB position. Is he a take for the staff? I have no idea. With the staff stopping by to see him and him having plans to camp at UT tells me they are at least considering it.
 
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therickbol said:
Not saying it is definitely the case in this instance. But acting like a player that is undersized, does not have good vision, lacks change of direction, and lacks start-and-stop speed is automatically superior to another player because he runs a 4.35 and the other player 'only' runs a 4.45 is beyond ignorant and needs to stop. Again, I have not done in depth research and film study to know if that is the case with Cottrell. I have no idea. But he is not the only case of people doing this type of thing. A RB running a 4.35 on a track in shorts can mean VERY LITTLE on a football field in pads and cleats when comparing him to another player who ran a 4.45 on a track in shorts. Stop marginalizing the composite of the skills required to play the game of football. It does not reflect well on your level of intelligence.

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youve clearly never seen him play
 
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wilrob75 said:
Good grief, Travis Stephens comparisons...really? Anytime you see a kid running past everyone on the field in high school you can generally throw that play/highlight out, because that same speed difference between you and your competition rarely translates to the next level (with the exception of very few athletes [Harvin,CP,holliday,demps).

If a kid is going to project well at RB in college you want to see how he runs in tight spaces in high school because that is exactly how he will make a living at the next level.
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Good Grief its a great comparison,as is Bryce Love to Cottrell and Joc Bruce. All similar styles and all with great speed at about 5'9-5'10 180-190?! How is that not a good comparison,lol

Watch the kids film,its a veer offense which means just about everything is inside and hits fast. He hits holes and is gone,one cut and upfield.He has demps,Harvin type speed with a 4.35,at this point that is a fact.

Now I wont talk about a kid unless I have seen him live or on film. Bryce Love is awesome,would be huge for UT, he is as fast as Cottrell and runs very fluid. I like him a lot after watching his film several times.That being said i really do not see a huge defference between him and Cottrell. He breaks more tackles but also gets tackled more. He only returns one kick off for a TD and catches the ball twice in his highlight. Cottrell takes four or five kickoffs back and catches several balls but people still question his ball skills or see him playing slot. IMO both great,maybe Bryce is a little better,more polished RB but Cottrell not far behind. Both will play RB ay the D1 level
 
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localvol said:
Cottrell's laser timed 4.35 > Love's hand timed 4.30. Not saying love isn't fast, but I haven't seen anywhere his 40 was laser timed. You have a link to that?
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Both 40 times were recorded at NFTC. So their times are in fact comparable. Love is faster, sorry. That doesn't mean Cottrell isn't fast...it is what it is.

Also, it isn't the same system used at the NFL Combine either so these times are possibly inflated as well. Moot point though, because both guys are very, very fast.
 
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ljeller said:
Both 40 times were recorded at NFTC. So their times are in fact comparable. Love is faster, sorry. That doesn't mean Cottrell isn't fast...it is what it is.

Also, it isn't the same system used at the NFL Combine either so these times are possibly inflated as well. Moot point though, because both guys are very, very fast.
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Plus, they are both fast. That's what I heard anyway.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
So the people hyping this kid up are basing it all on his speed.

We have 1 RB spot left (maybe)

Would you take Cottrell over the rest of the guys we are in on?

Even Bryce Love who is faster, makes better lateral movements and plays better competition?

Serious question.
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That not really the question. It's how do you want to use Nathan and does how does he fit in. He can play multiple positions on both sides of the ball. He is really just learning how to be a RB. Last year was his first year starting at that position on a varsity level.

But I would take Love at the RB spot.
 
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ChrissyJ2k said:
youve clearly never seen him play
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I assume a ranking of your personal skills looks something like this:

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#2 Long division
#3 Mechanical aptitude
#4 Expert on different bird species
#5 Competitive marathon runner
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LebanonVolunteer said:
We were discussing football players. Not so much Usain Bolt.
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You said a 4.35 will translate well to any major conference in CFB, that's garbage. 40 times are inconsistent even if they're measured in good conditions. They run them in shorts on a track surface. Camp numbers in general aren't consistent. There have been multiple camps this spring where the entire field has a "slow day" and a bunch of 4 stars run 4.7s. At The Opening this year, you'll probably see a bunch of kids jump 40 inch verts, because the numbers are always better at that camp for whatever reason.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be offered, but all these people calling for an offer because he ran the "best 40 in the nation" don't have much of an argument. Even if it's a legit 4.3, there's been countless faceless players that run 4.3s and completely wash out. He just got an offer from Western Carolina, I think we can afford to wait this one out a bit.
 
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Four of the best football players to come out of the Knoxville area in the last 15 years--Randall Cobb, Harrison Smith, Tyson Clabo, and Chad Pennington--all went virtually undiscussed on Vol message boards until after they got to college.

I think that says something about our local fans as talent evaluators. :)

I just wanted to poke a little fun. Hope no one takes it wrong. I live in Knoxville, too, by the way.

I saw Tyler Maples play in high school, and he appeared to be the fastest guy on the field the night I saw him. I thought he looked good enough to play in Division 1 for sure, although I doubted he would ever be a star. Our coaches obviously thought he was good enough, too, since they offered him a scholarship.

The stories of Cobb, Smith, Clabo, Pennington and Maples all show that talent evaluation is sometimes harder than it looks.

I also saw Aaron Douglas play in high school, and if he had not had the problems he had, I think he, too, would have had a successful NFL career.

I have not seen Cottrell play, so I have no opinion about whether he should be offered or not. If he can help us as much as Devrin Young has, I hope we take him.
 
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Serenadium51 said:
You said a 4.35 will translate well to any major conference in CFB, that's garbage. 40 times are inconsistent even if they're measured in good conditions. They run them in shorts on a track surface. Camp numbers in general aren't consistent. There have been multiple camps this spring where the entire field has a "slow day" and a bunch of 4 stars run 4.7s. At The Opening this year, you'll probably see a bunch of kids jump 40 inch verts, because the numbers are always better at that camp for whatever reason.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be offered, but all these people calling for an offer because he ran the "best 40 in the nation" don't have much of an argument. Even if it's a legit 4.3, there's been countless faceless players that run 4.3s and completely wash out. He just got an offer from Western Carolina, I think we can afford to wait this one out a bit.
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He ran a 4.40 last year laser timed. He also has the 3rd best SPARQ score in the nation. He also ran for almost 2000 yards and over 14 YPC in his first year as a starter. My point is that he is doing it on and off the field.

This will be an interesting recruitment.
 
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He's a good looking athlete. His straight line speed appears to be elite, he just runs right by people before they even know what happened. His lateral movement appears to be a little stiff though but he could improve that some by working on his flexibility especially in his hips. The guy can definitely fly though.
 
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Madkins8 said:
They were both NFTC times, which are taken identically.

Both are inflated because it isn't the same laser process as the combine, but you can certainly compare them "apples to apples."
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A NFTC camp, and a NFTC combine (this is where they use the lasers) are two different things. HERE is the top SPARQ scores for the combines. I don't see Love's 4.30 listed.
 
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Serenadium51 said:
You said a 4.35 will translate well to any major conference in CFB, that's garbage. 40 times are inconsistent even if they're measured in good conditions. They run them in shorts on a track surface. Camp numbers in general aren't consistent. There have been multiple camps this spring where the entire field has a "slow day" and a bunch of 4 stars run 4.7s. At The Opening this year, you'll probably see a bunch of kids jump 40 inch verts, because the numbers are always better at that camp for whatever reason.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be offered, but all these people calling for an offer because he ran the "best 40 in the nation" don't have much of an argument. Even if it's a legit 4.3, there's been countless faceless players that run 4.3s and completely wash out. He just got an offer from Western Carolina, I think we can afford to wait this one out a bit.
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No there is not. 4.3 is not something that just anyone can do.

And I'm not saying we should, or should not offer. I am just pulling for the kid. He is a local kid that is put up a monster SPARQ score.
 
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