'15 TN DE Dylan Jackson (former UT commit)

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LebanonVolunteer said:
Why am I not saying that? Because there has been zero mention of it. If Dylan thought that was the plan at LSU, he would not be considering them. Do I think he asked that coaching staff a direct question about him playing at DE if he chose LSU? Of course. With UT at least considering moving him to OL, I have no doubt the kid is being very up front with other schools about his wanting to stay on defense. I suppose a school could lie, but I'd guess Dylan and his family are asking direct questions to make sure staffs are on the up and up. Seems they like what LSU has to say. Chavis being his recruiter looks to have his trust he'll play on defense.
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I am sure Lane K. would say coaches NEVER lie. If you ask a direct question to CNS, he will always handle it with complete honesty. Alvin K. would attest to that as well. NCAA coaches never get in trouble and never lie to anyone including the NCAA. Come on Man.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Why am I not saying that? Because there has been zero mention of it. If Dylan thought that was the plan at LSU, he would not be considering them. Do I think he asked that coaching staff a direct question about him playing at DE if he chose LSU? Of course. With UT at least considering moving him to OL, I have no doubt the kid is being very up front with other schools about his wanting to stay on defense. I suppose a school could lie, but I'd guess Dylan and his family are asking direct questions to make sure staffs are on the up and up. Seems they like what LSU has to say. Chavis being his recruiter looks to have his trust he'll play on defense.
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Sure, coaches are always up front with recruits. :loco:

Two years in after a redshirt freshman year when he hasn't cracked the two deep, the coaches go to him and say: "You can stay at DE if you like but you may have a better chance of seeing the field if you move over to OT. Your choice though."
 
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JacketVol said:
I am sure Lane K. would say coaches NEVER lie. If you ask a direct question to CNS, he will always handle it with complete honesty. Alvin K. would attest to that as well. NCAA coaches never get in trouble and never lie to anyone including the NCAA. Come on Man.
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I just looking at it if I were a head coach. If a recruit tells me he is NOT interested in playing on the OL, I'm not going to waste my time or his IF I see him as only an OL recruit. Why lie to a kid, sign him, then watch him transfer a year later when I try and force him to switch positions? I'd choose to just avoid the whole mess of it. If I know a TN kid is passing on playing at TN because he wants to stick on defense, I would not sign him IF my plan was the same thing.

JMO
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I just looking at it if I were a head coach. If a recruit tells me he is NOT interested in playing on the OL, I'm not going to waste my time or his IF I see him as only an OL recruit. Why lie to a kid, sign him, then watch him transfer a year later when I try and force him to switch positions? I'd choose to just avoid the whole mess of it. If I know a TN kid is passing on playing at TN because he wants to stick on defense, I would not sign him IF my plan was the same thing.

JMO
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Because shockingly 17-18 year old kids don't have their life all figured out. Whoa crazy I know. After they mature and their perspective changes sometimes so does their mind. Witten and Cobb would be just two examples if exactly that happening.
 
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But you are not the coach at LSU or anywhere else. Not trolling you but you have to see how to make the blanket statement you made and then to attribute to something you would not do is not logical in thought or numbers.
 
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therickbol said:
Because shockingly 17-18 year old kids don't have their life all figured out. Whoa crazy I know. After they mature and their perspective changes sometimes so does their mind. Witten and Cobb would be just two examples if exactly that happening.
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And LSU could actually see the kid as a difference maker at DE. Imagine that? I'd guess not all staffs see every recruit in the same way. ALOT of people who know/talk recruiting seem to think Jackson is a top caliber DE and will be in college.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
And LSU could actually see the kid as a difference maker at DE. Imagine that? I'd guess not all staffs see every recruit in the same way. ALOT of people who know/talk recruiting seem to think Jackson is a top caliber DE and will be in college.
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You could be right about that. But, if they see him as an OT, they could lie to him to get him there and then make the switch. I can play the game as well. Truth is and you can't admit it is that your statement did not hold up water. Coaches can and do lie to get some kids on campus. It may or may not be happening here but neither you or I know for sure. You made the comment that his parents if asking a direct question would for sure get a honest and direct answer. There is no way you can know that nor know for sure what our numbers that you worry about actually are. I don't mind you discussing it but just own up to it for once.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I admit I don't like it either. I just don't think the kid wanted to switch positions. Can't help but laugh a bit at the thought that he can't play DE at UT, but can at LSU. I bet he turns into a good one in death valley. JMO
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I will bring this up and laugh if the corn dogs switch him to OT.
 
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Either way, our interests went elsewhere and consequently so did his. With his frame and athleticism, one year in a college strength and nutritional program could make a world of difference. I think he has great potential as a SDE, LSU should be happy right now.
 
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JacketVol said:
You could be right about that. But, if they see him as an OT, they could lie to him to get him there and then make the switch. I can play the game as well. Truth is and you can't admit it is that your statement did not hold up water. Coaches can and do lie to get some kids on campus. It may or may not be happening here but neither you or I know for sure. You made the comment that his parents if asking a direct question would for sure get a honest and direct answer. There is no way you can know that nor know for sure what our numbers that you worry about actually are. I don't mind you discussing it but just own up to it for once.
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Everything I say on here is an opinion. Much the same way 99% of everything on here that comes from anyone is an opinion. Noone has to like or agree with my opinions. I'll still make them as it is a message board and is open for discussion. Reading LSU boards, reading what's said on LSU sites about recruiting and comparing it to what I have seen on UT boards/sites about Dylan's recruitment points to LSU liking him on defense. If the "possibility" LSU "may" lie to him and take him planning to move him helps you deal with it, cool. I guess I just don't need to fabricate something to make sense of it all.

If I'm a coach and a recruit says, "I am not interested in playing on the OL", I am NOT going to try and sign him knowing OL is the only place I see him playing. Being a coach at a place like LSU I would think would allow me to be a bit more selective and I'd probably find an OL kid who fits better. JMO
 
#963
#963
Only have so much room for so many defensive ends... Phillips wants on the train... Someone's got to go. Recruiting sucks sometimes. Guarantee you all will be very happy come NSD though.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
Only have so much room for so many defensive ends... Phillips wants on the train... Someone's got to go. Recruiting sucks sometimes. Guarantee you all will be very happy come NSD though.
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The sting is almost nonexistant when you are replacing him with a player like Phillips. Sucks for the kid getting shuffled around I guess, but for us not so much. :)
 
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#965
Was Jackson's family originally from another state? Think I remember reading that a while back but can't remember where they're from or when they moved to TN.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
Only have so much room for so many defensive ends... Phillips wants on the train... Someone's got to go. Recruiting sucks sometimes. Guarantee you all will be very happy come NSD though.
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Will we also be happy with who we pull at OT?
 
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Go Fight Win said:
Only have so much room for so many defensive ends... Phillips wants on the train... Someone's got to go. Recruiting sucks sometimes. Guarantee you all will be very happy come NSD though.
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GFW is the man! Thanks for bringing the info
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Why am I not saying that? Because there has been zero mention of it. If Dylan thought that was the plan at LSU, he would not be considering them. Do I think he asked that coaching staff a direct question about him playing at DE if he chose LSU? Of course. With UT at least considering moving him to OL, I have no doubt the kid is being very up front with other schools about his wanting to stay on defense. I suppose a school could lie, but I'd guess Dylan and his family are asking direct questions to make sure staffs are on the up and up. Seems they like what LSU has to say. Chavis being his recruiter looks to have his trust he'll play on defense.
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Your opinion that his family is asking direct question to make sure staffs are on the up and up is what I am making reference to in my posts. These families need to realize if they don't that coaches do lie or mislead recruits. Not all coaches do. I think this staff is honest with recruits and why we see something like this happening. I know this class will be great and we do not need too many DE's with what we have on the roster and this class. OT's we need really bad. My point is it is naive to just take anything a coach tells you at face value. I think with what LSU had they want him as a DE and he will do great there. I will leave it here but if you are the businessman you say you are on here and I have no reason to doubt that, I know you can't be as naive as the statement you made would make it appear. I am moving on but do not agree that direct questions will guarantee direct honestly in college recruiting.

Back to the numbers.:good!:
 
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Go Fight Win said:
Only have so much room for so many defensive ends... Phillips wants on the train... Someone's got to go. Recruiting sucks sometimes. Guarantee you all will be very happy come NSD though.
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That may be true positionally, but Jackson has the frame/height and athleticism to excel at a number of different positions. If he is open to playing different positions, then he's a keeper, IMHO. He could be a stellar TE. And when we think about how bad the OL has performed this year, having 2 TE sets with him and Wolfe blocking, could help immeasurably. Arkansas has been running a LOT of jumbo formations, to impose their will on defenses, even though their OL is the biggest in College Football. We might have to run a lot of jumbo/max protect packages as well...especially against defenses like Bama and Mizzou.

When Wolfe gets dinged up, we really don't have much of a blocking TE to turn to. So, I hope we keep him.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
The sting is almost nonexistant when you are replacing him with a player like Phillips. Sucks for the kid getting shuffled around I guess, but for us not so much. :)
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He still gets to play D1 football at a great school in the SEC. A lot of kids would love to be in that position so it doesn't suck that bad for him. :)
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Everything I say on here is an opinion. Much the same way 99% of everything on here that comes from anyone is an opinion. Noone has to like or agree with my opinions. I'll still make them as it is a message board and is open for discussion. Reading LSU boards, reading what's said on LSU sites about recruiting and comparing it to what I have seen on UT boards/sites about Dylan's recruitment points to LSU liking him on defense. If the "possibility" LSU "may" lie to him and take him planning to move him helps you deal with it, cool. I guess I just don't need to fabricate something to make sense of it all.

If I'm a coach and a recruit says, "I am not interested in playing on the OL", I am NOT going to try and sign him knowing OL is the only place I see him playing. Being a coach at a place like LSU I would think would allow me to be a bit more selective and I'd probably find an OL kid who fits better. JMO
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The problem with your statement is that it is contradictory. You say it's your opinion then you turn around and say people that disagree with your statement are "fabricating" in order to "deal" with it. This suggest you are dealing in facts when you know no more about it than anyone else. Your are "fabricating" a theory based on message board post by your own opinion. JM "fabricated"O.
 
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JacketVol said:
Your opinion that his family is asking direct question to make sure staffs are on the up and up is what I am making reference to in my posts. These families need to realize if they don't that coaches do lie or mislead recruits. Not all coaches do. I think this staff is honest with recruits and why we see something like this happening. I know this class will be great and we do not need too many DE's with what we have on the roster and this class. OT's we need really bad. My point is it is naive to just take anything a coach tells you at face value. I think with what LSU had they want him as a DE and he will do great there. I will leave it here but if you are the businessman you say you are on here and I have no reason to doubt that, I know you can't be as naive as the statement you made would make it appear. I am moving on but do not agree that direct questions will guarantee direct honestly in college recruiting.

Back to the numbers.:good!:
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I believe direct questions will at times eliminate a lot of issues. Yes, coaches can and do tell recruits what they want to hear at times. More often than not IMO it's because recruits and their families do not pose direct questions and make their position very clear. Everything I have read has me thinking DJ and his family is 100% against the idea of him playing on offense. As I said if I were a coach and did not like him at DE, I would not move forward. Why waste my time? If I need an OT, I'll recruit OT's. I don't think LSU has trouble getting quality OT's interested in playing there. That run game last night looked pretty strong.
 
#973
#973
I believe Jason Witten was recruited as a DE. Coaches moved him to TE because they thought he had more potential there. Jason was pissed but look at him now!!
 
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doubleh said:
I believe Jason Witten was recruited as a DE. Coaches moved him to TE because they thought he had more potential there. Jason was pissed but look at him now!!
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Yes, that one worked out. ALOT of times it does not. I think it's up to the recruit if it's something he wants to entertain. Dylan seems to be not interested. It is his decision to make.

If I were a recruit who was considered a quality DE with many good offers, I would not like the idea of learning a new position, adding a bunch of weight and HOPING it all works out. I get that fans are all for it. If it does not work out a couple years from now they would just add him to the "drop them to make room" list and not give it a 2nd thought. Kid wants to play DE, I can't blame him at all for looking at schools where he can do that.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
And LSU could actually see the kid as a difference maker at DE. Imagine that? I'd guess not all staffs see every recruit in the same way. ALOT of people who know/talk recruiting seem to think Jackson is a top caliber DE and will be in college.
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Absolutely. But that is not the point being discussed. All coaches will do what is best for the program. Including telling a player he needs to play a different position because it is in his, and the teams, best interest. Regardless of what was promised to them during the recruiting process. Some players will transfer when that happens. Some will turn out to be the Wittens and Cobbs of the world. Nature of the beast.
 
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