'15 TN WR Van Jefferson

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onevol74 said:
Big boys play big boy schedules. Otherwise, we should leave the SEC and play in the OVC where we can compete.
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Bama has won 3 of the last 5 national titles playing schedules in the 20-50 SOS range nationally. Vandy is being heralded and praised on high nationally for back to back 9 win seasons vs by far the worst/easiest schedule in the SEC. Ohio St was 1 win away from playing in the nc title game last and we all know how stupidly easy their schedule was.

We' re gonna play 5 preseason Top 25 SEC teams this year (Georgia, Bama, OleMiss, SCar, Mizzou) which will already provide us plenty of schedule strength, plenty of challenge and competition to satisfy the stupid "if you're gonna be the best, you gotta beat the best" mouth breathers on here. Why the hell should we go and play an OOC top 5 team in Okla, which now gives us the second most difficult schedule in the country, when we're struggling to gain confidence and wins? We're coming off 4 straight losing seasons, first time since world war 1 or something. I wish we would've found 4 winnable OOC games and then go into sec play with confidence and health....and more than anything else, 4 damn wins.
 
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KBVol said:
Bama has won 3 of the last 5 national titles playing schedules in the 20-50 SOS range nationally. Vandy is being heralded and praised on high nationally for back to back 9 win seasons vs by far the worst/easiest schedule in the SEC. Ohio St was 1 win away from playing in the nc title game last and we all know how stupidly easy their schedule was.

We' re gonna play 5 preseason Top 25 SEC teams this year (Georgia, Bama, OleMiss, SCar, Mizzou) which will already provide us plenty of schedule strength, plenty of challenge and competition to satisfy the stupid "if you're gonna be the best, you gotta beat the best" mouth breathers on here. Why the hell should we go and play an OOC top 5 team in Okla, which now gives us the second most difficult schedule in the country, when we're struggling to gain confidence and wins? We're coming off 4 straight losing seasons, first time since world war 1 or something. I wish we would've found 4 winnable OOC games and then go into sec play with confidence and health....and more than anything else, 4 damn wins.
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Bama's strength of schedule is low because they play Vanderbilt and Tennessee every year. Their SOS suffers every year due to the fact that every SEC team they play is ranked below them.

Ours is high because we play Bama and the top 3 of the SEC East every year along with one strong OOC opponent. When we were the top team in the SEC our conference strength of schedule suffered too because the teams we played were ranked below us. It is not that the competition changes, but where your team is ranked within the competition.

Still, my hypothesis is based on fact. Dickey booked UCLA in Memphis as a headliner that helped build his program in 1965. Majors had games against Notre Dame, Southern Cal, and UCLA in the late 70's to build notoriety for his program. Recruiting was enhanced in both situations. Fan interest increased during both of those eras. If you want to be a national program you have to act like it. Just like Florida State and Miami in the 70's and 80's. They wanted to play anybody, anywhere, and anytime.

You do not lower your standards because you are not winning. I dislike Alabama with a passion, mostly because they have never played by the same rules that other SEC teams play by. But I do admire the fact that even on a 3-8 season they never considered lowering their standards.

Otherwise, we need to find a conference that meets our coaching and talent capabilities.
 
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KBVol said:
Bama has won 3 of the last 5 national titles playing schedules in the 20-50 SOS range nationally. Vandy is being heralded and praised on high nationally for back to back 9 win seasons vs by far the worst/easiest schedule in the SEC. Ohio St was 1 win away from playing in the nc title game last and we all know how stupidly easy their schedule was.

We' re gonna play 5 preseason Top 25 SEC teams this year (Georgia, Bama, OleMiss, SCar, Mizzou) which will already provide us plenty of schedule strength, plenty of challenge and competition to satisfy the stupid "if you're gonna be the best, you gotta beat the best" mouth breathers on here. Why the hell should we go and play an OOC top 5 team in Okla, which now gives us the second most difficult schedule in the country, when we're struggling to gain confidence and wins? We're coming off 4 straight losing seasons, first time since world war 1 or something. I wish we would've found 4 winnable OOC games and then go into sec play with confidence and health....and more than anything else, 4 damn wins.
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I like playing a tougher schedule now and easing up in a couple of years when the young talent has matured. Playing the best can only help their baptism
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KBVol said:
Bama has won 3 of the last 5 national titles playing schedules in the 20-50 SOS range nationally. Vandy is being heralded and praised on high nationally for back to back 9 win seasons vs by far the worst/easiest schedule in the SEC. Ohio St was 1 win away from playing in the nc title game last and we all know how stupidly easy their schedule was.

We' re gonna play 5 preseason Top 25 SEC teams this year (Georgia, Bama, OleMiss, SCar, Mizzou) which will already provide us plenty of schedule strength, plenty of challenge and competition to satisfy the stupid "if you're gonna be the best, you gotta beat the best" mouth breathers on here. Why the hell should we go and play an OOC top 5 team in Okla, which now gives us the second most difficult schedule in the country, when we're struggling to gain confidence and wins? We're coming off 4 straight losing seasons, first time since world war 1 or something. I wish we would've found 4 winnable OOC games and then go into sec play with confidence and health....and more than anything else, 4 damn wins.
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I understand what you are saying here. The one thing we get from this is more national exposure. Hopefully that translates to even better recruiting down the road.
 
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onevol74 said:
Bama's strength of schedule is low because they play Vanderbilt and Tennessee every year. Their SOS suffers every year due to the fact that every SEC team they play is ranked below them.

Ours is high because we play Bama and the top 3 of the SEC East every year along with one strong OOC opponent. When we were the top team in the SEC our conference strength of schedule suffered too because the teams we played were ranked below us. It is not that the competition changes, but where your team is ranked within the competition.

Still, my hypothesis is based on fact. Dickey booked UCLA in Memphis as a headliner that helped build his program in 1965. Majors had games against Notre Dame, Southern Cal, and UCLA in the late 70's to build notoriety for his program. Recruiting was enhanced in both situations. Fan interest increased during both of those eras. If you want to be a national program you have to act like it. Just like Florida State and Miami in the 70's and 80's. They wanted to play anybody, anywhere, and anytime.

You do not lower your standards because you are not winning. I dislike Alabama with a passion, mostly because they have never played by the same rules that other SEC teams play by. But I do admire the fact that even on a 3-8 season they never considered lowering their standards.

Otherwise, we need to find a conference that meets our coaching and talent capabilities.
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:good!:
 
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BigOrangeTailgate said:
I'm hearing Van to UGA. Either way I don't think it will be the Vols at this point.
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Maybe UT is not pushing as hard for a few of these guys as some fans think. The thinking that CBJ will "make room" for the guys with more *'s may just not be the case.

Hate seeing a talented instate kid end up elsewhere, but WR is one position I'm not really worried about right now.
 
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BigOrangeTailgate said:
I'm hearing Van to UGA. Either way I don't think it will be the Vols at this point.
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My guess is UT on this one. His mom is against tOSU. So I think they are out. Fortenberry said Van's family has connections to Athens. So it's down to UT and UGA.

I'm going to follow the visits on this one. Hasn't been to UGA in months. Has visited UT numerous times. Was at Orange Carpet. Dormady is personally recruiting him. And we have Butch and Coach Z.

Ball game.
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
My guess is UT on this one. His mom is against tOSU. So I think they are out. Fortenberry said Van's family has connections to Athens. So it's down to UT and UGA.

I'm going to follow the visits on this one. Hasn't been to UGA in months. Has visited UT numerous times. Was at Orange Carpet. Dormady is personally recruiting him. And we have Butch and Coach Z.

Ball game.
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But Georgia has... ummm.... well they have... you know that one thing.... dang what was it again? I'm sure they have something going for them... maybe not.
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
My guess is UT on this one. His mom is against tOSU. So I think they are out. Fortenberry said Van's family has connections to Athens. So it's down to UT and UGA.

I'm going to follow the visits on this one. Hasn't been to UGA in months. Has visited UT numerous times. Was at Orange Carpet. Dormady is personally recruiting him. And we have Butch and Coach Z.

Ball game.
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I sure hope so. Losing Marlon Brown to UGA was painful enough. I am not sure what happened there, but Marlon's recruitment was botched from UT's standpoint.
 
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lilesrt said:
I sure hope so. Losing Marlon Brown to UGA was painful enough. I am not sure what happened there, but Marlon's recruitment was botched from UT's standpoint.
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Two small differences in Brown and Van....

1. Brown was a Memphis kid

2. Butch wasn't here then.

As far as instate, Butch and staff have got who they wanted. There's been a few exceptions. Josh Smith joining his bro at Vandy. And Bars to Notre Dame. His family have all played up north.

If there's a kid in the Midstate that Butch truly wants, I won't bet against him.
 
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Van liked OSU, but Urban's sleeze became apparent. Lots of pressure from parents to go to UT, but maybe also someone he trusts is saying do what you want and that may end up being UGA because neither faction in his a camp is all in. Plus UGA could certainly highlight him, if we're honest with ourselves, just as much as Tennessee.
 
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onevol74 said:
You do not lower your standards because you are not winning. I dislike Alabama with a passion, mostly because they have never played by the same rules that other SEC teams play by. But I do admire the fact that even on a 3-8 season they never considered lowering their standards.

Otherwise, we need to find a conference that meets our coaching and talent capabilities.
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From growing up in bama I know they went 4-9 in 2003 and then their biggest ooc game for 4-5 years was southern miss, so the schedule wasn't loaded with marquee games while they were going through a downtown.

UT usually schedules one and it's taken us out of a bowl game more than once. Since 2006 we've played cal×2, ucla×2, oregon×2, an nc state team that was supposed to be good, and Oklahoma this year and next
 
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RetardedElf said:
From growing up in bama I know they went 4-9 in 2003 and then their biggest ooc game for 4-5 years was southern miss, so the schedule wasn't loaded with marquee games while they were going through a downtown.

UT usually schedules one and it's taken us out of a bowl game more than once. Since 2006 we've played cal×2, ucla×2, oregon×2, an nc state team that was supposed to be good, and Oklahoma this year and next
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We're not buying out of these games...deal with it in your own way.
 
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butchna said:
We're not buying out of these games...deal with it in your own way.
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Well we did buy out north carolina so the argument that UT would never do that is null. I don't care either way but you can't say UT doesn't play anybody because somebody doesn't want to play tosu every year
 
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