'15 TX QB Quinten Dormady (UT Commit 6/9/14)

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Tux said:
You do not understand that our offense is not the Auburn offense where the QB is running a spread option. UT runs a read option- two different schemes. Ewe also run a west coast passing offense built around having tall skilled WRs, who are not going to continue signing with UT if UT goes with a QB who runs more than he passes.
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We run the west coast out of shotgun with the read option being a play in our playbook. It's just like running a counter play or a sweep. It's not a whole different scheme.
 
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Burger said:
We run the west coast out of shotgun with the read option being a play in our playbook. It's just like running a counter play or a sweep. It's not a whole different scheme.
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Auburn and Tennessee's spread offenses are night and day different.

Our offense is predicated on spreading the defense with 3, 4, and 5 WR sets.

Auburns is predicated on spreading the defense out of tight formations and bunch sets and using a blocking H Back, counter plays, double team blocks, pulling guards,and counter plays in creating angles and seams for his QB and running back. Quite often the plays are preset plays designed for the QB to keep, which we do not do.

Most teams using the zone read, Tennessee included, have their quarterback reads the defensive end away from the playside and if the defensive end comes down back down the line of scrimmage, he will keep the football. In Auburn's inverted veer, the read is to the playside and both the quarterback and running back run the option off the playside defensive end. The running back's path is to run to the outside as if running a sweep or taking an option pitch. Auburn will also pull a guard who will take a playside linebacker and the H back will line up to the playside and take out an outside defender for the running back.
 
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OldVol49vfl said:
One of the best posts I've seen you make Tux. I agree 100%. Getting the ball to the playmakers is what really matters.
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and in CBJ's offense (from a statistical analysis over his career as a head coach) the QB is a play-maker and carries the ball 1 out of every 5 rushing plays so he expects to have his qb make not only plays in the passing game (and getting the ball in the play-makers hands) but also in the run game. A QB who runs the ball 1 out of every 5 rushing plays is not just trying to keep the defense honest.
 
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Tux said:
Auburn and Tennessee's spread offenses are night and day different.

Our offense is predicated on spreading the defense with 3, 4, and 5 WR sets.

Auburns is predicated on spreading the defense out of tight formations and bunch sets and using a blocking H Back, counter plays, double team blocks, pulling guards,and counter plays in creating angles and seams for his QB and running back. Quite often the plays are preset plays designed for the QB to keep, which we do not do.

Most teams using the zone read, Tennessee included, have their quarterback reads the defensive end away from the playside and if the defensive end comes down back down the line of scrimmage, he will keep the football. In Auburn's inverted veer, the read is to the playside and both the quarterback and running back run the option off the playside defensive end. The running back's path is to run to the outside as if running a sweep or taking an option pitch. Auburn will also pull a guard who will take a playside linebacker and the H back will line up to the playside and take out an outside defender for the running back.
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Very informative post. We could go through every other running play in existence with this much depth. I do like the option, but its only one part of our scheme. The rest of our O is west coast. We use short passes to set up the deep ball.
 
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patrick said:
and in CBJ's offense (from a statistical analysis over his career as a head coach) the QB is a play-maker and carries the ball 1 out of every 5 rushing plays so he expects to have his qb make not only plays in the passing game (and getting the ball in the play-makers hands) but also in the run game. A QB who runs the ball 1 out of every 5 rushing plays is not just trying to keep the defense honest.
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Patrick, Butch is no longer coaching in the MAC or Big East. he is coaching in the SEC and against the biggest and fastest defensive linemen in all of college football. He is also playing with a full set of tall, fast, future 1st round draft picks at WR, which he never had at either of his previous stops. What he did in the past is now null and void. He is adapting his offense to fit his personnel and against better athletes and defenses. He understands that he has to have a healthy QB who can deliver the ball to playmakers on his team, which are his WRs.
 
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Burger said:
Very informative post. We could go through every other running play in existence with this much depth. I do like the option, but its only one part of our scheme. The rest of our O is west coast. We use short passes to set up the deep ball.
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That is why Dormady is such a great pick up for the Vols. He is a perfect fit for what Butch wants to do offensively.
 
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Tux said:
That is why Dormady is such a great pick up for the Vols. He is a perfect fit for what Butch wants to do offensively.
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Hey tux, if it seems like they are starting to get it, they still don't get it. For the record you are so right and I'm sorry you have to keep repeating. Like talking to a brick wall.
 
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patrick said:
again please remind when manning or brady ran the zone read......
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They don't have that one play. Everything else is similar. They use short throws to set up the deep ball. They both run a west coast out of shotgun like us.
 
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Tux said:
Patrick, Butch is no longer coaching in the MAC or Big East. he is coaching in the SEC and against the biggest and fastest defensive linemen in all of college football. He is also playing with a full set of tall, fast, future 1st round draft picks at WR, which he never had at either of his previous stops. What he did in the past is now null and void. He is adapting his offense to fit his personnel and against better athletes and defenses. He understands that he has to have a healthy QB who can deliver the ball to playmakers on his team, which are his WRs.
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I do not think that CBJ is going away from his historical tendencies maybe he will but I doubt it. If he was going away from that then why did he recruit Jennings and why is he still recruiting Gibson. Perhaps your response will be that neither Jennings or Gibson will ever play QB at UT. Time will tell whether CB holds true to his own roots.

Question is Urban Meyer recruiting and signing elite talent at OSU? He has over the years tweaked his offense but not by very much and he continues to run his bread and butter that he has for years and that offense is not a pro-style offense and neither is CBJ's.
 
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unioncityvol, I noticed the IU hoops logo. My dad played basketball for IU back in the 1950's with Hallie Bryant and Walt Bellamy
 
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patrick said:
I do not think that CBJ is going away from his historical tendencies maybe he will but I doubt it. If he was going away from that then why did he recruit Jennings and why is he still recruiting Gibson. Perhaps your response will be that neither Jennings or Gibson will ever play QB at UT. Time will tell whether CB holds true to his own roots.

Question is Urban Meyer recruiting and signing elite talent at OSU? He has over the years tweaked his offense but not by very much and he continues to run his bread and butter that he has for years and that offense is not a pro-style offense and neither is CBJ's.
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Butch's past tendencies were to recruit WRs who were about 5'9". Now he is recruiting WRs who are about 6'3-6'5". His teams also ran and threw more short routes in his passing route tree. At UT, he has included more vertical routes.

Expect several more adaptations to his offense as he grows more familiar with SEC defensive size and speed.
 
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Tux said:
unioncityvol, I noticed the IU hoops logo. My dad played basketball for IU back in the 1950's with Hallie Bryant and Walt Bellamy
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Cool. I lived up there for a couple years and brought a Hoosier girl back to Tennessee with me. I had good times up there, and since they are not a rival I adopted them as my 2nd favorite bball team. That's awesome that your dad played for IU they have a great tradition. My in laws are die hard. Talented family you have there it seems.
 
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Burger said:
They don't have that one play. Everything else is similar. They use short throws to set up the deep ball. They both run a west coast out of shotgun like us.
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But as the Broncos have shown through the first five weeks they will run the inside zone, the trap, the crack toss, etc., with Moreno, Ronnie Hillman and rookie Montee Ball. (10/9/13 article). FYI zone read presupposes that the QB may keep the ball and run it.

"From a teaching standpoint, starting with the true zone read, it is an easy fit. Zone blocking—for plays like the stretch, inside and wide zone runs—are standard practice all over the nation. Thus, for the zone read, the offense is blocking zone and the quarterback is simply reading the defensive end.

If the end crashes down inside, then you pull it and pick up what you can out in the wide open space between where the end used to be, and the corner or safety. If you're an athletic quarterback, that's a lot of green to swim in and make people miss."

This is not in any way what manning or brady are doing in their offenses. and u may want to check out this article on manning and brady passing characteristics...

it is very interesting regardless of your thoughts or opinions....

Pass Atlas: Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning «
 
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patrick said:
But as the Broncos have shown through the first five weeks they will run the inside zone, the trap, the crack toss, etc., with Moreno, Ronnie Hillman and rookie Montee Ball. (10/9/13 article). FYI zone read presupposes that the QB may keep the ball and run it.

"From a teaching standpoint, starting with the true zone read, it is an easy fit. Zone blocking—for plays like the stretch, inside and wide zone runs—are standard practice all over the nation. Thus, for the zone read, the offense is blocking zone and the quarterback is simply reading the defensive end.

If the end crashes down inside, then you pull it and pick up what you can out in the wide open space between where the end used to be, and the corner or safety. If you're an athletic quarterback, that's a lot of green to swim in and make people miss."

This is not in any way what manning or brady are doing in their offenses. and u may want to check out this article on manning and brady passing characteristics...

it is very interesting regardless of your thoughts or opinions....

Pass Atlas: Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning «
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We also run all those plays. Almost every team in the country runs some form of trap, counter, sweep, and dive. We also have a zone blocking front on almost every play. You didn't even mention our passing offense... We use shorter routes to pull in the corners then go deep on their hineys.
 
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