'16 MS DE Jeffery Simmons

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If it were me, I'd go all in on Kongbo..I haven't even read that we are in top 3 with Simmons
 
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sanddune50 said:
Would rather have this guy than Kongbo. Would like to see us get out of the JUCO game.
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pshhh... JUCO's are huge for any program whether they are stable or rebuilding. No reason to ever pass on a quality JUCO player to have an immediate impact.

Just to prove my point, see this short list of TN JUCO players that were invaluable:

Leonard Little
Cordarrelle Patterson
Dale Carter
Charlie Garner
Jesse Mahelona
Alvin Kamara

So getting out of the "JUCO game" is an absolutely ridiculous statement to make.
 
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VolnJC said:
If it were me, I'd go all in on Kongbo..I haven't even read that we are in top 3 with Simmons
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From Hubbs on 1-08-16
Also, we believe Simmons is very serious in saying he wants to take another visit to Tennessee. He and his coach have explored times and a way to make it back to Knoxville for another look. If they do make it at some point this month, consider that a good sign.

I think they are hoping to get him here on the 29th with all the other guys coming in that weekend.
 
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jspvol76 said:
From Hubbs on 1-08-16
Also, we believe Simmons is very serious in saying he wants to take another visit to Tennessee. He and his coach have explored times and a way to make it back to Knoxville for another look. If they do make it at some point this month, consider that a good sign.

I think they are hoping to get him here on the 29th with all the other guys coming in that weekend.
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If he comes this might be the surprise of NSD.
 
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UTvol1fn said:
pshhh... JUCO's are huge for any program whether they are stable or rebuilding. No reason to ever pass on a quality JUCO player to have an immediate impact.

Just to prove my point, see this short list of TN JUCO players that were invaluable:

Leonard Little
Cordarrelle Patterson
Dale Carter
Charlie Garner
Jesse Mahelona
Alvin Kamara

So getting out of the "JUCO game" is an absolutely ridiculous statement to make.
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Why? Because you say so? My opinion is the long term health of a program thrives better by bringing freshmen in and developing them to contribute for multiple years. Not to mention, many JUCO players struggled with grades to be in the position to be a JUCO player to begin with. And what exactly does that list prove? I mean I can name a bunch of players that came to this program as freshmen and succeeded as well. Personally I think your whole point is ridiculous. Here's 5 guys that didn't live up to their hype.

Dontavius Blair
Darrington Sentimore
Kenny O'Neal
Maurice Couch
Brent Vinson


And Cordarrelle was a one and done kid that could barely last a semester without flunking out. The 'JUCO game' that you slung parenthesis around isn't about getting a timely recruit or 2. It's relying on 4-5 guys every recruiting period to fill out a class. So next time think a little longer before you refer to something as ridiculous and hit send.
 
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jspvol76 said:
From Hubbs on 1-08-16
Also, we believe Simmons is very serious in saying he wants to take another visit to Tennessee. He and his coach have explored times and a way to make it back to Knoxville for another look. If they do make it at some point this month, consider that a good sign.

I think they are hoping to get him here on the 29th with all the other guys coming in that weekend.
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Thanks for the update and I hope we get him, but the last sentence from Hubbs is funny. 'If they do make it at some point this month, consider that a good sign", I mean I do not know any other way to take it lol. :)
 
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sanddune50 said:
Why? Because you say so? My opinion is the long term health of a program thrives better by bringing freshmen in and developing them to contribute for multiple years. Not to mention, many JUCO players struggled with grades to be in the position to be a JUCO player to begin with. And what exactly does that list prove? I mean I can name a bunch of players that came to this program as freshmen and succeeded as well. Personally I think your whole point is ridiculous. Here's 5 guys that didn't live up to their hype.

Dontavius Blair
Darrington Sentimore
Kenny O'Neal
Maurice Couch
Brent Vinson


And Cordarrelle was a one and done kid that could barely last a semester without flunking out. The 'JUCO game' that you slung parenthesis around isn't about getting a timely recruit or 2. It's relying on 4-5 guys every recruiting period to fill out a class. So next time think a little longer before you refer to something as ridiculous and hit send.
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I think Jucos have a place in recruiting and am ok with us getting one here or there but like you, I think classes should be almost always just HS guys.

If you lose 4-5 kids to transfer or you lose a bunch early to the draft Juco may make sense. If you have signed 5-6 top DL guys in back to back classes, taking Jucos makes little sense to me. If you are, maybe your focus should be on why your guys on your roster have not been coached up and better than that Juco guy.

A situation like A&M had at QB with a couple leaving. A transfer or Juco guy makes sense in that scenario if for nothing more than older depth.

High school guys are always better long term. You've got them for at least 3 years. High school kids don't have a one and done option.
 
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If JUCOs are always a part of a recruiting class at a dynasty like Saban's Bama program, you can pretty much count on them being relied on at UT as well. We've had plenty of success in the JUCO ranks dating back to the early 90s (as far back as I go as a fan). When have we been too good a program for JUCO recruits? The only programs that may not fish in the JUCO pool are ones that have high academic standards (which, as a UT graduate would be nice, but not consistent with current reality). I do agree that having signing classes that consistent almost entirely of high schoolers offers more stability. I don't see UT signing too many JUCOs, however.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Why? Because you say so? My opinion is the long term health of a program thrives better by bringing freshmen in and developing them to contribute for multiple years. Not to mention, many JUCO players struggled with grades to be in the position to be a JUCO player to begin with. And what exactly does that list prove? I mean I can name a bunch of players that came to this program as freshmen and succeeded as well. Personally I think your whole point is ridiculous. Here's 5 guys that didn't live up to their hype.

Dontavius Blair
Darrington Sentimore
Kenny O'Neal
Maurice Couch
Brent Vinson


And Cordarrelle was a one and done kid that could barely last a semester without flunking out. The 'JUCO game' that you slung parenthesis around isn't about getting a timely recruit or 2. It's relying on 4-5 guys every recruiting period to fill out a class. So next time think a little longer before you refer to something as ridiculous and hit send.
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Yes, but if that's the JUCO game you're referring to, then we have been out of that. We don't get JUCOs out of necessity anymore.
 
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I think there's room for 1-2 JUCO's each year if they truly can be difference makers.

You definitely don't want to build your program around them though imo.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Why? Because you say so? My opinion is the long term health of a program thrives better by bringing freshmen in and developing them to contribute for multiple years. Not to mention, many JUCO players struggled with grades to be in the position to be a JUCO player to begin with. And what exactly does that list prove? I mean I can name a bunch of players that came to this program as freshmen and succeeded as well. Personally I think your whole point is ridiculous. Here's 5 guys that didn't live up to their hype.

Dontavius Blair
Darrington Sentimore
Kenny O'Neal
Maurice Couch
Brent Vinson


And Cordarrelle was a one and done kid that could barely last a semester without flunking out. The 'JUCO game' that you slung parenthesis around isn't about getting a timely recruit or 2. It's relying on 4-5 guys every recruiting period to fill out a class. So next time think a little longer before you refer to something as ridiculous and hit send.
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We aren't going to stop recruiting juco kids, nor should we.

Saying we shouldn't recruit jucos because we might get another Dontavious Blair is like saying we shouldn't recruit high school kids cause we may get a Drae Bowles.

I mean it's not like we are Mississippi State with half a roster filled with them. We've gotten some pretty good juco kids during Butch's time here.
 
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volnpowell said:
Thanks for the update and I hope we get him, but the last sentence from Hubbs is funny. 'If they do make it at some point this month, consider that a good sign", I mean I do not know any other way to take it lol. :)
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I would think "good sign" is Hubbs code for something more than just a good sign.
 
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loggervol said:
A healthy program should take 2-4 juco's a year.
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Taking 4 JUCOS a year is a sign of NOT having a healthy program. This program has had about 5-6 solid JUCO contributors in the last 10-12 years. With that rate, if we took 3 a year, that would basically be an entire 25 man class of dead weight.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Why? Because you say so? My opinion is the long term health of a program thrives better by bringing freshmen in and developing them to contribute for multiple years. Not to mention, many JUCO players struggled with grades to be in the position to be a JUCO player to begin with. And what exactly does that list prove? I mean I can name a bunch of players that came to this program as freshmen and succeeded as well. Personally I think your whole point is ridiculous. Here's 5 guys that didn't live up to their hype.

Dontavius Blair
Darrington Sentimore
Kenny O'Neal
Maurice Couch
Brent Vinson


And Cordarrelle was a one and done kid that could barely last a semester without flunking out. The 'JUCO game' that you slung parenthesis around isn't about getting a timely recruit or 2. It's relying on 4-5 guys every recruiting period to fill out a class. So next time think a little longer before you refer to something as ridiculous and hit send.
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Yeah but the flip side of this is that if you waste a scholly on a JUCO you have a new opening in two years. You give a scholly to an incoming freshman who turns out to be a bust and he's taking up a spot for 3-5 years.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
We aren't going to stop recruiting juco kids, nor should we.

Saying we shouldn't recruit jucos because we might get another Dontavious Blair is like saying we shouldn't recruit high school kids cause we may get a Drae Bowles.

I mean it's not like we are Mississippi State with half a roster filled with them. We've gotten some pretty good juco kids during Butch's time here.
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Exactly. You don't m stop recruiting JUCOs just because there are busts. If you evaluate a kid to be a difference maker, you pursue him regardless.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Taking 4 JUCOS a year is a sign of NOT having a healthy program. This program has had about 5-6 solid JUCO contributors in the last 10-12 years. With that rate, if we took 3 a year, that would basically be an entire 25 man class of dead weight.
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Sometimes you are a couple pieces from a trophy. Not the past couple yrs but this years Juco EEs will all compete for back up duty at thin spots, Osbourne too. Seems very selective to me this time around to round out the depth chart for Spring practice. id imagine Johnson rotates immediately, George probably will too, Henderson likely provides a breather for the 1s every now and then. That was a Cam jumping early insurance policy imo. So this years group makes total perfect sense to me. Looks like lots of eggs in 16 season basket.
 
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unioncityvol said:
Sometimes you are a couple pieces from a trophy. Not the past couple yrs but this years Juco EEs will all compete for back up duty at thin spots, Osbourne too. Seems very selective to me this time around to round out the depth chart for Spring practice. id imagine Johnson rotates immediately, George probably will too, Henderson likely provides a breather for the 1s every now and then. That was a Cam jumping early insurance policy imo. So this years group makes total perfect sense to me. Looks like lots of eggs in 16 season basket.
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Yes but there's a huge difference between the scenario you just laid out and taking 30-35 in a ten year period.
 
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unioncityvol said:
Sometimes you are a couple pieces from a trophy. Not the past couple yrs but this years Juco EEs will all compete for back up duty at thin spots, Osbourne too. Seems very selective to me this time around to round out the depth chart for Spring practice. id imagine Johnson rotates immediately, George probably will too, Henderson likely provides a breather for the 1s every now and then. That was a Cam jumping early insurance policy imo. So this years group makes total perfect sense to me. Looks like lots of eggs in 16 season basket.
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Yep. Look at what Bama did with Jarran reed in the 2014 class. Everybody was asking why they would take a JUCO DT with 2 years to play when they had so much young talent at DT already. Two years later and he was a key piece in the best front seven in the country and a shoe in to be a first round pick.
 
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