'16 TN LB Tim Hart (FORMER UT commit 6/26/15)

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drylo said:
I don't know the details of volgirl's experience, but IMO it's worse to get cut after a year (or even less) or whatever than to get the message before you enroll. At least Hart can decide if he wants to be at the bottom of the totem pole or not. If you want to be untouchable, you need to go somewhere where you can be a big fish in a small pond. If you want to play at the highest level, you have to accept the fact that you might not cut it.
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Then Butch should not have told him 6-7 months ago he could cut it. Butch should not have taken his commitment. That's on Butch, not Tim Hart. If Tim wants to voice his opinion now that his dream of going And playing at UT has been taken away, I don't have a problem with it at all.
 
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themicah85 said:
That doesn't look real great, but these coaches have to take the best talent they can. It's not like a kid hasn't last minute screwed a school over before either. Just a dirty game.
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I think the difference is a 17 year old making the biggest decision in their life up to this point and professional who should be able to either evaluate talent/needs better or perhaps "hide" an inferior talent that you take. Secondly, kids get a break because they're just that; kids. That decision won't impact their future credibility. A job interviewer isn't going to say you lied to a college staff and changed schools, how can we trust you? However, parents, recruits and HS coaches will ask how can they trust a coaching staff with their kid/player if they've been known to "lie" in the past.
 
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BruinVol said:
It's the nature of the beast for sure I agree.

Only the strong will survive it epsecially with a recruiting base like ours. We must win big next year or this starts catching up with us.

The blue shirt thing is going to start being a negative as well. I know last year only one of the 3 actually made it to fall practice.
I find that "intersting"
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Maybe the blueshirt was the gentle way to let Hart down and encourage him to look elsewhere (knowing he wouldn't take it). With next year's class looking to be top-notch, I doubt they would waste a blueshirt on a marginal player.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Then Butch should not have told him 6-7 months ago he could cut it. Butch should not have taken his commitment. That's on Butch, not Tim Hart. If Tim wants to voice his opinion now that his dream of going And playing at UT has been taken away, I don't have a problem with it at all.
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Still think Charlie High Deserved a scholarship?
 
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drylo said:
Unless the MUS coaches realized all along that Hart was a marginal take all along and he was just too naive to "get it" until now. Not saying that's the case, but it's definitely possible.
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We don't know anything about the line of communication and some posters on here are frankly making this too black and white and not giving Jones enough credit for how to recruit. Our coach clearly knows how to manage relationships well. I don't think there is much to worry about as far as our future recruiting MUS or even Memphis in general s concerned (aside from the fact that the public schools don't produce much in the way of football talent).
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Then Butch should not have told him 6-7 months ago he could cut it. Butch should not have taken his commitment. That's on Butch, not Tim Hart. If Tim wants to voice his opinion now that his dream of going And playing at UT has been taken away, I don't have a problem with it at all.
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How do you know what Jones told him 6-7 months ago? Hart said there was miscommunication. Maybe he heard what he wanted to hear.
 
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Kristy* said:
Maybe the blueshirt was the gentle way to let Hart down and encourage him to look elsewhere (knowing he wouldn't take it). With next year's class looking to be top-notch, I doubt they would waste a blueshirt on a marginal player.
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I am sure you are spot on.


I don't have a problem dropping the kid.

My problem is offering the kid in the first place. The staff has to evaluate better early in the process is my issue with all this
 
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Good luck to Hart. It's a shame that he had to experience the ugly underside of recruiting, and I hope he lands on his feet. I do hope he understands that there's no innocence in this business. The coaches at Memphis (or wherever he ends up; UM just seems like the likely destination based on what I've read) would be just as quick to screw him over if they thought it would be in their best interest. That's just the ugly nature of a competitive industry. Regardless, I wish him well.

That being said...

I'm not stressing over this at all. I've mentioned elsewhere that there are a couple of "head-scratchers" left in this recruiting class. Hart, in my opinion, was one of them. We can now use that spot on an upgrade or just save it for 2017.
 
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butchna said:
Sooo...you're an athlete huh? :wub: :naughty:
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JacketVol said:
an athlete who loves vols and guns and politics who follows recruiting and knows how to handle social media..............if I was not married, I would be in love...................wait a minute, if I am married........I am suppose to be in love...............

Conflicted..................

nah, just old carry on folks nothing to see here
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Y'all are making me blush. If anyone is interested, I have an eHarmony account (NOT REALLY). Actually, it's on Farmers Only (AGAIN, KIDDING) :)
 
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southgatevol said:
I would not be surprised to see us be very successful in 2017. Most high school coaches at the upper level know how recruiting works. If they get their feelings hurt it is on them.
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Says the guy likely never offered a college scholarship. Easy to say man up when it's not you
 
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Kristy* said:
How do you know what Jones told him 6-7 months ago? Hart said there was miscommunication. Maybe he heard what he wanted to hear.
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I know Butch took his commitment. I know Hart would not have committed as a blue shirt 6-7 months ago. Butch said what he needed to say to get a commitment.
 
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southgatevol said:
If we rely very heavily on in state recruiting as it currently stands,we will not be competing for SEC championships.
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The state is consistently producing 10-15 P5 talents per year (there's 20 thus far this cycle). Of course we can't rely on a full class of TN prospects but at this point in our talent pool, 10 a year or so are more than able to compete at this level.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Why would they not be upfront and let a kid know that they will take as committ at time but there is potential that they could need them to blueshirt as numbers become tight to allow the team to get better and take more guys? Being upfront helps lower the effect of negative news in future. It's not like he had a ton of options before to where it would have turned him off at the time.
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1) How do you (or anyone) know they weren't up front with the kid? People hear what they want to hear all the time. It's even worse with teenagers. It's the old "Dumb and Dumber" line, where she tells him the odds are about one in a million, and he interprets this as a good thing and says, "So, you're telling me there's a chance!!"

2) We are absolutely only getting one side of this, and that's likely all we'll get. Butch is forbidden from commenting on the situation right now, and he likely we decline to do so after NSD. Nothing good can come from him commenting.

3) How can the staff stop a kid from committing? Even if given a conditional offer, how many kids would try to make themselves look good by announcing they're committing to a major program without announcing the conditions? If they don't want to adhere to the conditions once enforced, they have to save face somehow. Throwing the staff under a bus is a quick and easy way to do so.


I'm not saying that it didn't go down as the kid says, but some of you definitely are. The truth is that none of us know exactly how things transpired. I think it says a great deal when someone lurks for weeks or months and uses this news as an excuse to panic, defame the staff, or both. For those members, I'd like to suggest a new avatar:

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Wickman said:
At least acknowledge that this happens at every major program. Oregon just dropped McDoom. Bama has a number of decommitts every year due to the fact they get better options. It isn't like this is a once in a blue moon, rare occurrence in college football. It is the nature of the beast everywhere if you want to be successful. Is it honorable? No. Is it honorable when a kid tells a coach he's coming to play football for them and flips unexpectedly, ala Hunter Johnson? No. Nature of the beast
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When we have 4 NC's in 7 years the gitshirts are easier to overcome with future kids. Kids will still line up to play for a team winning NC's. If we get to that level it won't be a problem. But you can't act like Bama's situation of getting by with it, is the same as us getting by with it...at this juncture.
 
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Butch and has staff are too good at recruiting to keep getting all these marginal players early on. They know only one way to recruit players they offer, and that's full on hot sauce. Then these kids who don't have good offer lists will commit and take up a chunk of our class. Let's be more selective. We won't have 30 spots every class.
 
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