'16 TN LB Tim Hart (FORMER UT commit 6/26/15)

[BruinVol]

Like E. Mosley starting from day 1? He was 2*. They didn't drop him. He worked, developed, and continued to show his potential.

It's increasingly becoming clear he started early because he was best man standing in a small pond. Now that the talent level has increased he isn't good enough to stay on the field

But he is the best example this staff has at really out evaluating others

 

[T2Vol]

Saban, Meyer, Dabo the list goes on and on. The best coaches in the country take the best players they can get. Thats how championship programs are built. Leave the feelings and emotions at the door.[/QUOTE

Exactly....

Read this BruinVol, bc you obviously get emotional when giving credit to successful coaches... Winning programs are winning programs regardless if the person running the show is "nice"

 

[VolGee4]

Infallible?

Lol you must be jones himself


Looking at the amount of kids we have dropped I wouldn't claim this staffs strength is out evaluating others. Most of our difference makers have been easily evaluated and highly recruited

Dobbs, Hall, Wolf, Pearson, Jonathan Johnson, Owen Williams, Mixon, Moseley, Foreman

All 3 stars or below and who weren't highly recruited, yet they have played meaningful snaps.

 

[PYSCHO]

He was not going to play at ut. They screwed up by offering ok but it is no different than if he was a. 4 or 5 star and committed early and Nama offers and you jump. Happens everyday and do you honestly think that butch cares what he says. We do not know and you are listening to an 18 yr old kid and butt hurt at that. Quit crying the blues and get better, stronger faster etc and it will not happen. You are worrying about an instate kid I see that but we all knew that this could and would happen. Probably himself included

 

[BruinVol]

Saban, Meyer, Dabo the list goes on and on. The best coaches in the country take the best players they can get. Thats how championship programs are built. Leave the feelings and emotions at the door.[/QUOTE

Exactly....

Read this BruinVol, bc you obviously get emotional when giving credit to successful coaches... Winning programs are winning programs regardless if the person running the show is "nice"

I am curious to see a comparison on how many recruits Clemson has sent packing the last 5 years compared to us.


Saban and Meyer aren't worth discussion. The entire world know they are scumbags but winners that put players in the nfl at a hell of a rate. Kids are going there knowing they are selling themselves to the devil

 

[T2Vol]

I am curious to see a comparison on how many recruits Clemson has sent packing the last 5 years compared to us.


Saban and Meyer aren't worth discussion. The entire world know they are scumbags but winners that put players in the nfl at a hell of a rate. Kids are going there knowing they are selling themselves to the devil

What else to you think highly rated players want besides championships and a shot at the NFL?

 

[BruinVol]

Dobbs, Hall, Wolf, Pearson, Jonathan Johnson, Owen Williams, Mixon, Moseley, Foreman

All 3 stars or below and who weren't highly recruited, yet they have played meaningful snaps.

.

 

[Nashvegas31]

It's increasingly becoming clear he started early because he was best man standing in a small pond. Now that the talent level has increased he isn't good enough to stay on the field

But he is the best example this staff has at really out evaluating others

Moseley still played. He shows flashes. Skill set is there. He is actually someone in interested to watch what happens under Shoop. Moseley needs to be more agressive and an agressive DC might coach that out of him

 

[BruinVol]

Dobbs, Hall, Wolf, Pearson, Jonathan Johnson, Owen Williams, Mixon, Moseley, Foreman

All 3 stars or below and who weren't highly recruited, yet they have played meaningful snaps.

Great post that makes my point.


Dobbs, Williams, mixon, mosely, and foreman were all committed elsewhere and we flipped them late in the cycle


100% the thing we should do later in the recruiting process instead of taking the early commits

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Dobbs, Hall, Wolf, Pearson, Jonathan Johnson, Owen Williams, Mixon, Moseley, Foreman

All 3 stars or below and who weren't highly recruited, yet they have played meaningful snaps.

Dont forget about Sutton.

 

[BruinVol]

Dont forget about Sutton.

Lol

DD evaluated him

 

[VolGee4]

Dobbs was a 4 star on at least one site


Pearson and Williams I give you.

Johnson didn't belong here.

Foreman was committed to an sec school when we flipped him late in the process Exactly what we should do if we have a spot late in the process

Dobbs was committed to Arizona State. He was from Atlanta and didn't have offers from UGA, UF, Bama, or Auburn. Only two SEC offers were MSU and Arkansas.

 

[BruinVol]

Dobbs was committed to Arizona State. He was from Atlanta and didn't have offers from UGA, UF, Bama, or Auburn. Only two SEC offers were MSU and Arkansas.

See my other poster after I edited that one

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I am curious to see a comparison on how many recruits Clemson has sent packing the last 5 years compared to us.


Saban and Meyer aren't worth discussion. The entire world know they are scumbags but winners that put players in the nfl at a hell of a rate. Kids are going there knowing they are selling themselves to the devil

Would it really matter what the comparison said? You and Leb are just living in imagination land. Good luck.

 

[BruinVol]

Would it really matter what the comparison said? You and Leb are just living in imagination land. Good luck.

I would be surprised if Clemson drops as many as we do

This board keeps throwing their name out there so I think it's worth seeing what that info looks like if it's really out there

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

It's not difficult.

Top rated recruits who are proven SEC talent are takes anytime. Borderline recruits you don't take a commitment from before maybe Oct/Nov. You have seen them in the heart of their SR season. Make your decision and honor it. Yeah, you can win doing it.

 

[junder13]

Stop preaching about a moral standard. It's not "immoral" to accept a commitment from a player you truly want hoping they will develop and then taking it away and giving it to someone who has if they don't if you are on the up and up about it. That's not immoral, that's ****ing recruiting.

Like I said, it's a microcosm to the world we live in. To you it's acceptable because it's just a four year scholarship offer for some high school senior you've never met. No biggie. I hate it for Hart, but for me, I am more bothered by the near universal acceptance of this occurrence than I am the situation itself. I had no intention of even posting on it (I usually lurk) until I saw the reaction from the orange-tinted sheeple.

And while it's not "immoral" on a scale of life-altering importance, it's the acceptance of injustice on a small scale that eventually leads to injustice on a large scale...and then, given the right environment (recession/depression, times of desperation), unimaginable acts of injustice against humanity. While such desperate times may not appear on the near horizon (I think it is, personally), I would not expect perpetual progress as was once the common notion.

“There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.”
Elie Wiesel

“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.”
Benjamin Franklin

“If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
Che Guevara

 

[PYSCHO]

I would be surprised if Clemson drops as many as we do

This board keeps throwing their name out there so I think it's worth seeing what that info looks like if it's really out there

How many we dropped in 3 yrs, 4 players so far I can remember and the one last yr got Phillips

 

[BruinVol]

How many we dropped in 3 yrs, 4 players so far I can remember and the one last yr got Phillips

We have dropped more than that

3 this year alone

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I would be surprised if Clemson drops as many as we do

This board keeps throwing their name out there so I think it's worth seeing what that info looks like if it's really out there

So what if we dropped many more than Clemson does? Who cares? Are we Clemson? No. Screw Clemson. If Butch needs to drop 100 guys to get us back to elite, championship level, then so be it. Wow its shocking that this is even up for debate.

 

[Big Orange Jeff]

If he is a borderline take, just don't take him early. Recruit him. Let him make UOVs, and watch his progression. Instead of taking his commitment in June, you take it in Oct/Nov if you want him. If you take him if June as you saw enough, then yes, his spot should be safe. If he doesn't progress or you run out of spots, that's the coaches problem. Kid keeps his spot. Maybe next year coach is a little more selective early on.

What proof do you have that he was given an unconditional offer? In light of the fact that he never visited campus, it was likely an offer with a possible blueshirt, as one of the beat writers posted today. Who said they "took his commitment"? The kid announced in June that he was committed. The staff is forbidden from commenting on him. If they could, maybe they would have clarified things. Or, maybe they would have avoided raining on the kid's parade.

At the end of the day, you're connecting dots that aren't even visible just to make everything fit your narrative.

 

[T2Vol]

Great post that makes my point.


Dobbs, Williams, mixon, mosely, and foreman were all committed elsewhere and we flipped them late in the cycle


100% the thing we should do later in the recruiting process instead of taking the early commits

Nobody is arguing that 3 starts don't make good players... You seem to be missing the point

 

[BruinVol]

I didn't bring up Clemson.

This board has said they are doing the same.
That's why I asked

 

[butchna]

Like I said, it's a microcosm to the world we live in. To you it's acceptable because it's just a four year scholarship offer for some high school senior you've never met. No biggie. I hate it for Hart, but for me, I am more bothered by the near universal acceptance of this occurrence than I am the situation itself. I had no intention of even posting on it (I usually lurk) until I saw the reaction from the orange-tinted sheeple.

And while it's not "immoral" on a scale of life-altering importance, it's the acceptance of injustice on a small scale that eventually leads to injustice on a large scale...and then, given the right environment (recession/depression, times of desperation), unimaginable acts of injustice against humanity. While such desperate times may not appear on the near horizon (I think it is, personally), I would not expect perpetual progress as was once the common notion.

“There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.”
Elie Wiesel

“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.”
Benjamin Franklin

“If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
Che Guevara

Go hug a tree...recruiting's too brutal for you.

-butchna

 

[BigOrange15]

Like I said, it's a microcosm to the world we live in. To you it's acceptable because it's just a four year scholarship offer for some high school senior you've never met. No biggie. I hate it for Hart, but for me, I am more bothered by the near universal acceptance of this occurrence than I am the situation itself. I had no intention of even posting on it (I usually lurk) until I saw the reaction from the orange-tinted sheeple.

And while it's not "immoral" on a scale of life-altering importance, it's the acceptance of injustice on a small scale that eventually leads to injustice on a large scale...and then, given the right environment (recession/depression, times of desperation), unimaginable acts of injustice against humanity. While such desperate times may not appear on the near horizon (I think it is, personally), I would not expect perpetual progress as was once the common notion.

“There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.”
Elie Wiesel

“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.”
Benjamin Franklin

“If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
Che Guevara

No, its acceptable to me because I assume that the coaches do the best they can with what they have to work with and want the best players. Stop being pretentious.