'16 TN LB Tim Hart (FORMER UT commit 6/26/15)

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Liberals up in here something awful...?? How long will it be until lawgator is over here???:)
 
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butchna said:
Was all but flipped to Auburn...Butch's first great recruiting win.
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Convincing someone to stay in the fold isnt the same as evaluating an under the radar talent. Sutton had offers from AU, Clemson, UF, Arkansas. His ranking didn't match his skill level or offer list. He wasn't an off the grid prospect that Butch took a flyer on and it paid off.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Convincing someone to stay in the fold isnt the same as evaluating an under the radar talent. Sutton had offers from AU, Clemson, UF, Arkansas. His ranking didn't match his skill level or offer list. He wasn't an off the grid prospect that Butch took a flyer on and it paid off.
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No...he was one of those 3 stars with multiple offers. We've cut some of those loose in the past and lost others. Butch gets credit for recognizing that talent and re-landing it...because it was gone.
 
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butchna said:
Yeah...we don't care. I'm inclined to think that Butch is going to take care of the program and try to be nice in the process...but not let that nicety be an albatross on his primary concern...top performance. We need him to do the character building of the athletes in his charge, and the dirty work in deciding who those athletes are. He can't coach and recruit scared because 10 win seasons can still get you fired. Ask Miami's new HC. :wink2: Only offering athletes you're 100% sold on is ideal...but maybe the demand created from dwindling spots is another selling point for the undecided difference makers? Don't know don't care. I love burgers, steaks and other delicious things that used to have a heartbeat. If I had to do the dirty business that put those functioning living creatures on my plate, I'd cease to be the fine-tuned posting machine that brings so much joy and sanity to this board. I'd have a steadier influx of soul crushing fare (brussels sprouts?) and end up struggling to save everybody and make coaches nice for ole State U. No thanks...do what you gotta do Butch...we'll buy earmuffs. :cool2:
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This may be the most I've ever seen you post at once. Usually your cute little curt responses have the same amount of substance as words. It's always fun to end meaningless posts with emojis, though. :)

The "dirty business" of putting living creatures on our dinner plate (and the way most major farms treat living animals is truly appalling) has no bearing on how a head coach of a major state university (or any school for that matter) runs a program. Nice straw man. :cool2:

Oh, and how can you expect a coach to develop character if he doesn't expect to exude it until an athlete shows up on campus. Character isn't some type of attire you can take on and off as you choose. If you have character, you always display it, even when no one is watching. :wink2:
 
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Cutting a kid loose a few weeks before signing day is bull****. No way around it. This should have been done in November if they thought the kid couldn't play here.
 
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volinexile17 said:
Cutting a kid loose a few weeks before signing day is bull****. No way around it. This should have been done in November if they thought the kid couldn't play here.
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They may have cut him loose in Nov. They may have just not bothered to tell him till early Jan when he tried to set up his OV. He did mention miscommunication.
 
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It's a business folks. How many of you invest into the stock market? Same principle. You buy based on the future development and performance of the stock. What do you do when the stock doesn't perform or develop the way you anticipate? Do you feel beholden to the stock since you bought it? CBJ is conducting his business. His livelihood is tied to his performance. He is trying to squeeze every advantage out he can. It's not like 5* are beating down our doors especially considering that we are coming out of one of the worst stretches in program history. He isn't doing anything other coaches haven't done. We just hear about it more because we are Vol fans who follow Vol sites. I swear some of y'all can be happy unless you are miserable.
 
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SergeantVol said:
It's a business folks. How many of you invest into the stock market? Same principle. You buy based on the future development and performance of the stock. What do you do when the stock doesn't perform or develop the way you anticipate? Do you feel beholden to the stock since you bought it? CBJ is conducting his business. His livelihood is tied to his performance. He is trying to squeeze every advantage out he can. It's not like 5* are beating down our doors especially considering that we are coming out of one of the worst stretches in program history. He isn't doing anything other coaches haven't done. We just hear about it more because we are Vol fans who follow Vol sites. I swear some of y'all can be happy unless you are miserable.
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I don't sit down and build a relationship with stock I purchase, or its family. Its really not the same principle at all.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Its funny because Leb always preched about filling classes very early. Like having the 2017 class locked up by August of this year. So basically since the 2017 class isn't half full right now, it looks bad :)
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We'll I can't speak for leb, but I think filling a class early is fine as long as the coach honors those commitments. If a coach knows he isn't going to honor them then he shouldn't fill the class early.
 
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junder13 said:
This may be the most I've ever seen you post at once. Usually your cute little curt responses have the same amount of substance as words. It's always fun to end meaningless posts with emojis, though. :)

The "dirty business" of putting living creatures on our dinner plate (and the way most major farms treat living animals is truly appalling) has no bearing on how a head coach of a major state university (or any school for that matter) runs a program. Nice straw man. :cool2:

Oh, and how can you expect a coach to develop character if he doesn't expect to exude it until an athlete shows up on campus. Character isn't some type of attire you can take on and off as you choose. If you have character, you always display it, even when no one is watching. :wink2:
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Nah...it was relevant. When your brain's oozing sanctimony that function gets clouded. :yu: Not sure when you're impaired that you should hoist big important words like STRAWMAN. :)

Thanks for grading my posting style btw. I would have had to research your previous posts for arrogance and haughtiness, but your "cute" little attempt at condescension slapped it on here like a post-it note. :hi: In the brief moments of clarity from your self- delusion of grandeur, pat yourself on the less raw side of your back.

While we're discussing your faulty high-minded blowhard nature, ask yourself why Butch hasn't been able to figure out the perfect plan you formulated on the toilet. Wait until all the top recruits have told you no before you recruit the next level down. In the "unlikely" event that a program changing type reconsiders and shows interest? Too bad... Lost your chance. We'll beat those shady programs with our clean soul. :loco: You get to sit in the shadows with those ideals...almost as good as having to answer for them. It's a tricky numbers game revolving around talented young men with shifting emotions. Coaches who recruit with your perspective are either at smaller institutions where they can teach without big money and huge fan expectations or they're like you...talking about how others "should do it right". :lol: It's cool that you can expect your flawed unrealistic morality to prevail...as long as you remain powerless. So's the rest of us can see our team play in meaningful games at the end of the year.
 
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junder13 said:
Like I said, it's a microcosm to the world we live in. To you it's acceptable because it's just a four year scholarship offer for some high school senior you've never met. No biggie. I hate it for Hart, but for me, I am more bothered by the near universal acceptance of this occurrence than I am the situation itself. I had no intention of even posting on it (I usually lurk) until I saw the reaction from the orange-tinted sheeple.

And while it's not "immoral" on a scale of life-altering importance, it's the acceptance of injustice on a small scale that eventually leads to injustice on a large scale...and then, given the right environment (recession/depression, times of desperation), unimaginable acts of injustice against humanity. While such desperate times may not appear on the near horizon (I think it is, personally), I would not expect perpetual progress as was once the common notion.

“There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.”
Elie Wiesel

“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.”
Benjamin Franklin

“If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
Che Guevara
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Lol did you stop and think before posting any of this? You're invoking Che Guevara, who, regardless of what you think of his politics, was willing to murder those who deserted his cause with no hesitatio along with a holocaust survivor in order to condemn a college football coach asking a recruit to accept a blue shirt (which really does nothing but delay a scholarship about 2 months).
 
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Not the first time this has happened. Definitely won't be the last. Get over it you ninnies. I guarantee you Hart already is and he's an 18 year old kid. UT athletics brought in over $100million dollars last year. This is a BUSINESS.

Some kids waste coaches time in the same way. Mecole Hardman for a recent example.
 
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I may have to put a recruit thread on ignore for the 1st time ever. You can tell it's getting close to NSD, and the usual posters who like to "discuss" what our coaches are doing are in full swing.
 
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RockyTop411 said:
Love when people who know nothing about what is currently going on make a statement that they believe is the gospel, yet they have no idea what happened in the past, what is happening right now, or what will happen in the future.
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This is what 90% of vn has turned into though.
 
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If the coaches have determined that the player isn't likely to play or contribute, they aren't doing him a favor by signing him. If a player determines that after a few months, he doesn't like the coach or the program or his prospects in the program, he would be foolish to continue the agreement. The angst in this thread is silly. This was not an immoral decision any more than a couple breaking off an engagement. Sometimes things don't work out.
 
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utvols88 said:
We only have the word of a disgruntled kid, I'll reserve judgement on butch.
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Pull your head out of the sand. It's obvious what's occurred here. BJ likes other options better than Hart and Hart is butt hurt.

Now you can decide that CBJ is a scum bag for accepting Hart's commitment then later in the process asking him to blue shirt or you can believe its part of the recruiting process and CBJ is no different than any other D1 coach. Which one do you pick?
 
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BondJamesBond said:
If the coaches have determined that the player isn't likely to play or contribute, they aren't doing him a favor by signing him. If a player determines that after a few months, he doesn't like the coach or the program or his prospects in the program, he would be foolish to continue the agreement. The angst in this thread is silly. This was not an immoral decision any more than a couple breaking off an engagement. Sometimes things don't work out.
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Maybe they should do him this "favor" well before there are just two weekends left before NSD.... Since they're just doing it for his own good n' all, ya know.

And usually when engagements are broken off there is one side that does the breaking and another that does most of the hurting. Sometimes it's mutual, but not often. Still, timing matters, such as breaking off an engagement right before a wedding date that's been planned for 7-8 months (using your analogy). It's a terrible thing to do no matter how you spin it.
 
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walkenvol said:
Pull your head out of the sand. It's obvious what's occurred here. BJ likes other options better than Hart and Hart is butt hurt.

Now you can decide that CBJ is a scum bag for accepting Hart's commitment then later in the process asking him to blue shirt or you can believe its part of the recruiting process and CBJ is no different than any other D1 coach. Which one do you pick?
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At the end of the day, what it comes down to with me is that that Hart always had the opportunity to be on scholarship at Tennessee in the fall of 2016. All he would miss out on is an official visit to Knoxville. This is not a Marques Ford situation where he was told he couldn't have a scholarship.
 
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junder13 said:
Maybe they should do him this "favor" well before there are just two weekends left before NSD.... Since they're just doing it for his own good n' all, ya know.

And usually when engagements are broken off there is one side that does the breaking and another that does most of the hurting. Sometimes it's mutual, but not often. Still, timing matters, such as breaking off an engagement right before a wedding date that's been planned for 7-8 months (using your analogy). It's a terrible thing to do no matter how you spin it.
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Okay, at what point should coaches quit assessing a players potential? Four weeks? Eight? When does this change meet the moral test of right or wrong? No, it isn't ideal, but ideal ended sometime along the line and acknowledging it isn't the root of the problem.
 
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junder13 said:
Maybe they should do him this "favor" well before there are just two weekends left before NSD.... Since they're just doing it for his own good n' all, ya know.

And usually when engagements are broken off there is one side that does the breaking and another that does most of the hurting. Sometimes it's mutual, but not often. Still, timing matters, such as breaking off an engagement right before a wedding date that's been planned for 7-8 months (using your analogy). It's a terrible thing to do no matter how you spin it.
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A more apt analogy would be one party asking the other to delay the wedding two months while they scrape together the cash for the wedding reception and the other side calling them a cheater and cancelling the entire wedding.
 
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