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Catbone said:
And again I say CZA gotta go
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Proof is in the pudding. Highly talented receivers not living up to their billing, below average stats, anemic passing game, oh, and he's got the passing game label too which puts it on his shoulders.

Dobbs may not be the most accurate, but timing of routes, variety of routes, and YAC are all problems I see and that's on him.
 
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Brillovol said:
Proof is in the pudding. Highly talented receivers not living up to their billing, below average stats, anemic passing game, oh, and he's got the passing game label too which puts it on his shoulders.

Dobbs may not be the most accurate, but timing of routes, variety of routes, and YAC are all problems I see and that's on him.
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Yards after the catch are difficult to come by when the receivers are slipping and sliding for balls thrown 2-3 steps behind them and on a field that resembles an ice-skating rink. Josh Dobbs is a huge problem with the WR production as they go hand in hand. Coach Azzanni is a terrific coach as billed by his resume. Also, if you are comparing our WR's against perfection (As many on this site do), you will be disappointed every time.
 
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I think many are trying to compare Dobbs to perfection as well.

Man, I'm sure glad some of you aren't the coaches. Basically writing kids off after their freshman or sophomore years. Meachem would've been sent packing early if some of ya'll were coach lol.

WR is one of those positions that takes a while to master. To me it's rare for a kid to come in ready to go his freshman year.
 
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DaddyChad said:
We all want Dobbs to get to that level too. It's not like we're wishing failure on the kid. Hell I hope he breaks all the records and wins the Heisman but he's not to that level yet.
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You guys can't tell the difference between TALENT and RESULTS. Of course he's not at that level yet. And neither was Dak as a redshirt sophomore. But he had the TALENT. And once he matured and got comfortable with the system and his teammates he exploded as a redshirt junior and became a heisman contender.

All I'm saying is I see the talent Dobbs has. He's more talented than Dak imo. More talented passer. More dynamic runner. I expect it to come together for him next year as he explodes into the national scene. We'll be a national title contender and he'll be a heisman finalist.

Get on the bandwagon right now cause it'll be crowded by this time next year.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You guys can't tell the difference between TALENT and RESULTS. Of course he's not at that level yet. And neither was Dak as a redshirt sophomore. But he had the TALENT. And once he matured and got comfortable with the system and his teammates he exploded as a redshirt junior and became a heisman contender.

All I'm saying is I see the talent Dobbs has. He's more talented than Dak imo. More talented passer. More dynamic runner. I expect it to come together for him next year as he explodes into the national scene. We'll be a national title contender and he'll be a heisman finalist.

Get on the bandwagon right now cause it'll be crowded by this time next year.
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Then we'll make more room.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
He's a good WR but comparing him to a dude that has the talent of PWill(who coming off an injury still made plays) is crazy to me. Dude is a junior he should be reliable. But I'm not taking him over PWill. I'll live with the growing pains.
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Smith is a RS Sophomore
 
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KBVol said:
And Deshaun Watson, who's both a better runner and passer than Joshua, is a true sophomore, a class behind Dobbs.

And btw, I hate using Dobbs as a pawn to counter some of your ridiculous opinions. He's a very fine QB and I hope like hell he somehow reaches all the benchmarks that you're constantly assuring he us that he will. But right now, after what we've seen to date, unless he greatly improved his passing abilities/accuracy, it's beyond a stretch to think he will.
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Stop deflecting and going on tangents. Why even bring up a kid who plays in another conference? Watson is a precious talent. No reason to compare him to anyone else.

I gave you two better comparisons. SEC QBs that you've constantly used to diminish Dobbs. I posted their production at a comparable age. And Dobbs surpassed them.

My question is why can't he improve next year like Dak did as a redshirt junior?

Very simple. And stop deflecting.
 
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Just trying to keep accuracy and excitement for him being in our system 2 more years.
 
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Josh Smith has more moxie than any other receiver. I love it. I have a feeling P Willy does too, he's just yet to make a big time catch in a crucial situation to exhibit it.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Stop deflecting and going on tangents. Why even bring up a kid who plays in another conference? Watson is a precious talent. No reason to compare him to anyone else.

I gave you two better comparisons. SEC QBs that you've constantly used to diminish Dobbs. I posted their production at a comparable age. And Dobbs surpassed them.

My question is why can't he improve next year like Dak did as a redshirt junior?

Very simple. And stop deflecting.
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Dak in 2013 -
Attempts/Comp - 156/267
Yards - 1940
TDs 10
YPA - 7.27

Dak in 2014 -
Attempts/Comp - 244/396
Yards - 3449
TDs - 27 TDs
YPA - 8.71

Dobbs in 2015 -
Attempts/Comp - 191/319
Yards - 2125
TDs - 15
YPA - 6.66

Let's compare Dak '14 vs Dobbs '15 and bring them up to equal amount of completions with their YPA staying the same. That would give Dobbs an extra 353 yards, putting him at a total of 2477. (I know theres still the bowl game). This year Dobbs threw a TD every 12.73 completions. Staying on the pattern, and adding 53 completions (to match Dak) that would mean Dobbs would score 4-5 more TDs, putting him around 19 or 20. (Nowhere near 30)

The difference is that Dak's attempts significantly increased. And their offense throws deeper passes than ours and more of his completions go for TDs (because they throw downfield). You're basically asking Butch and Debord to change our offense. We would have throw 20-25% more passed than we do. And with Hurd, Kamara and Dobbs legs in the backfield, thats not going to happen
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Stop deflecting and going on tangents. Why even bring up a kid who plays in another conference? Watson is a precious talent. No reason to compare him to anyone else.

I gave you two better comparisons. SEC QBs that you've constantly used to diminish Dobbs. I posted their production at a comparable age. And Dobbs surpassed them.

My question is why can't he improve next year like Dak did as a redshirt junior?

Very simple. And stop deflecting.
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Not deflecting ish. You tried saying the only reason Dobbs wasn't as successful as a couple of SEC qbs this year was simply a function of age. They're older, he's younger, therefore they achieved more. I simply gave you an example of a player who's younger than Josh who's much better than Josh....thereby putting a significant dent in your "it's all because of age" argument.

Ftr, I do believe Josh will get better next year, no reason to think he won't in year 4. But whether or he does or doesn't, it still doesn't change the fact that he was the 4th best QB in the SEC this year behind Prescott, Allen and Kelly.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Dak in 2013 -
Attempts/Comp - 156/267
Yards - 1940
TDs 10
YPA - 7.27

Dak in 2014 -
Attempts/Comp - 244/396
Yards - 3449
TDs - 27 TDs
YPA - 8.71

Dobbs in 2015 -
Attempts/Comp - 191/319
Yards - 2125
TDs - 15
YPA - 6.66

Let's compare Dak '14 vs Dobbs '15 and bring them up to equal amount of completions with their YPA staying the same. That would give Dobbs an extra 353 yards, putting him at a total of 2477. (I know theres still the bowl game). This year Dobbs threw a TD every 12.73 completions. Staying on the pattern, and adding 53 completions (to match Dak) that would mean Dobbs would score 4-5 more TDs, putting him around 19 or 20. (Nowhere near 30)

The difference is that Dak's attempts significantly increased. And their offense throws deeper passes than ours and more of his completions go for TDs (because they throw downfield). You're basically asking Butch and Debord to change our offense
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You guys know NOTHING about football. Do you know how big a difference being 4 years in a system can make vs. 3 years?

Dak was a RS Junior in 2014. He had the advantage of 3 spring practices and 4 years of study in the system with his coaches and receivers before he blew up in 2014.

I'm just saying give Dobbs the same chance. Dobbs has his redshirt burned as a true freshmen summer enrollee because of injuries. He's only had 2 spring practices. Only one season as a full time starter.

To extrapolate his true junior season stats and compare them to a redshirt junior is UNFAIR. You can do that after next season. You can't Do it after this season.


If there is any year you can compare to Dobbs true junior season, its Dak's redshirt sophomore season. That's when they would be the same age and in the same stage in their development.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You guys know NOTHING about football. Do you know how big a difference being 4 years in a system can make vs. 3 years?

Dak was a RS Junior in 2014. He had the advantage of 3 spring practices and 4 years of study in the system with his coaches and receivers before he blew up in 2014.

I'm just saying give Dobbs the same chance. Dobbs has his redshirt burned as a true freshmen summer enrollee because of injuries. He's only had 2 spring practices. Only one season as a full time starter.

To extrapolate his true junior season stats and compare them to a redshirt junior is UNFAIR. You can do that after next season. You can't Do it after this season.


If there is any year you can compare to Dobbs true junior season, its Dak's redshirt sophomore season. That's when they would be the same age and in the same stage in their development.
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Wow. Pick your argument. You asked why Dobbs couldn't make the jump that Dak did, so i posted Dak's rs soph and rs junior stats. Then showed what Dobbs would have to do to make that jump. You keep wanting us to compare Dobbs to Dak and when we do, you disregard it
 
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KBVol said:
Not deflecting ish. You tried saying the only reason Dobbs wasn't as successful as a couple of SEC qbs this year was simply a function of age. They're older, he's younger, therefore they achieved more. I simply gave you an example of a player who's younger than Josh who's much better than Josh....thereby putting a significant dent in your "it's all because of age" argument.

Ftr, I do believe Josh will get better next year, no reason to think he won't in year 4. But whether or he does or doesn't, it still doesn't change the fact that he was the 4th best QB in the SEC this year behind Prescott, Allen and Kelly.
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Not age. Time in the system. There is a huge difference between 4 years in a system vs. 3 years. Maybe Deshaun and Kelly are just better than Dobbs.

However, you can't say that about Dak or Brandon Allen. At the same stage (3 years in the college system) Dobbs STATISTICALLY outperformed them. My only point is why can't he do the same next year?

If Dak made a monumental leap from his 3rd year to his 4th year, why can't Josh? If Brandon Allen can go from dreadful to respectable after 4 years in a system, why can't Josh improve as well?

Josh completed a higher percentage of his passes as a third year player than Dak, yet he's an inaccurate passer that is doomed. While Dak is the epitome of passing greatness.

All I'm saying is tons of GREAT passing QBs have been worse at this stage in their careers than Josh. If they can improve, then so can Dobbs.

That's all I've ever said.
 
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