'17 GA CB Yusuf Corker

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vols 30 said:
Again, you are talking about a handful of posters. Even most negavols realize this recruit is better than your typical 3 star. There's some 3 stars to moan about, and some you don't, Butch has a little of both
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Your sudden level-headedness puzzles and excites me.
 
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head1 said:
To be Fair, pun intended?.... He probably doesnt have a ton of talent to work with there. The thing that most point to is our DBs played 100 times better when he was here. They had solid fundamentals and actually located the ball when it was in the air.

Cam Sutton dropped off significantly IMO when he left. Watch his FR year and how he was consistently in better position and making plays on the ball.
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Hope you are right...but a lot if their games looked similar against similar talent as their own...
 
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KBVol said:
Just saw your post, all these days later. First, you moved the goalposts. I said plenty of posters are happy with 8 to 9 wins no matter how they came about and are good with Butch going forward. You threw in the "doesn't need to make staff changes" bit, but that's beside the point I was making. Here are a few posts I've found perusing the board for 15-20 minutes.....all seem to either be quite happy with Butch and how the season went or are very defensive of the head coach from criticism......



1. Congratulations to Butch and the staff. Great effort tonight and it is good to get a program win over The Huskers.

It was a crazy season. Maybe that was 3 to 5 years worth of defensive injuries in one season and we will not see something like that again. Likely never will see another star player meltdown in mid-season.

Dobbs and Barnett are 2 all time greats and many seniors on Team 120 left it all on the field. There is much to be proud of from this squad.

Glad to have the staff we have and their hard work to rebuild the mighty Vols. 3-0 in bowl wins is special.


2. You are talking about South Carolina, the team that just took USF to overtime before losing and Vanderbilt that also beat Georgia and Ole Miss before its bowl game debacle with powerful NC St.

Why would we want to change any coaches. Injuries to most of our top defensive players and some OL caused those loses. Not the coaches.

Our current coaches are great recruiters. Let them do their job which right now is to beat Nebraska.


3. If CBJ wins 9 games next year he will still be the coach at UT. For the 20th time at least THE LAST THING THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO DO IS BUYOUT A COACHING STAFF AND SEARCH FOR A NEW ONE. I know it's fun (for some) to fantasize about a coaching search/new head coach but that's a major deal and things MUST get a lot worst before we see that happen. Just trying to prevent major depression for a few folks. Carry on with said thread however..,,
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4. If he wins 9 games next year he deserves an extension
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5. No He will not be on the hot seat and if He was to lose fans like you that will be OK.
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6. Aside from the incoming overhaul of the S&C program, I don't see any staff changes happening (unless DeBord retires). It would be awesome if Butch gave Shoop the keys and said, "go get your guys."


7. By all accounts, Butch still has the team on board. This season was rough... really rough. But, I think injuries were beyond the norm this year. Basically, we've been starting 3rd stringers at DT (which was already our weakest link), our LBs are 2nd string or injured, and the O Line has been a walking trauma unit.

Nobody wants to hear excuses. I'm with you. Losing to Vandy is horrific. BUT, I hope cooler heads will reign. Butch and his staff need our support, not infighting and second guessing.

Look at LONG TERM successful programs... their fanbases understand ups and downs, and their coaching staffs are steady (Pittsburg Steelers now on 3rd Head Coach... in the past 47 years).

The generation of immediate gratification needs to take a seat and shut the f up.

True Vol fans get this.
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8. As a UT grad and diehard fan of 30 years, I've seen our ups and downs. I also have enough wisdom to know how the program works (the DC and OC make play calls, kiddo).

4 years ago, Butch Jones was our THIRD pick that we approached to become our HC. Gundy and Strong (recently fired by the other UT btw) said no thanks to us.

You should be kissing Butch's Lilly white a$$ for coming here and putting up with the moronic blather that folks like you spew on Volnation, junior.
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9. Love me some Butch!! Couldn't be happier with the direction he has the program heading
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10. I look forward to a team 121 with a lot of talent and Coach Jones and staff with another year of experience at Tennessee behind them like wind at their back to take advantage of the painful lessons learned from the disappointing parts of the season and put together more winning football in 2017.

In light of all the things that went haywire this season, (injuries, williams, hurd, etc.) it really could have been much worse.
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11. This site just fascinates me. Some of the most stupid remarks for a coach that has done a bang up job recruiting and turning a program around that definitely SUCKED for several years. do yall not understand that due to so many injuries that we are playing a makeshift defensive unit that is doing their best. Everyone talks about Tennessee having great fans. I totally disagree. I am 69 years old and have been watching Tennessee football since I was about 14 years old. I personally think Tennessee fans (lots but not the majority) are so unreasonable and so unrealistic about almost every aspect of football. The way I look at it if you do not like what you see then look and support another team. Let Butch Jones alone and give him time to take a team out of the gloom and dooms of college football. Remember Rome wasn't built in a year. Give the man a chance. Yes, I too believe Vandy will probably beat us next week due to all our best players , especially on defense, walking around in boots, arm casts, shoulder slinge etc !!!! So get a life !!!!!
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To be fair, there are indeed a lot of folks who want to see staff chsnges, no doubt it's the majority. Looks like both of us want them. But to also be clear, bottom line is, you said "-nobody thinks last year was acceptable, nobody-"...... these posts I found in about 15-20 minutes say otherwise.
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This post lost all credibility at "powerful nc st."
 
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jlindsa4 said:
NC state nearly beat clemson...
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The issue is, you can't defend us losing to Vandy or South Carolina for that matter. Losing to Vandy shouldn't happen, especially year 4 with a senior QB and multiple NFL skill players. Our coaching staff straight blew both those games, especially the second half of the Vandy game where we scored, what, 3 points? Yea, completely unacceptable.
 
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keckjm said:
The issue is, you can't defend us losing to Vandy or South Carolina for that matter. Losing to Vandy shouldn't happen, especially year 4 with a senior QB and multiple NFL skill players. Our coaching staff straight blew both those games, especially the second half of the Vandy game where we scored, what, 3 points? Yea, completely unacceptable.
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But that same senior qb also admitted that he stayed up late all week prior to the usce game for academic project. And he played his worst game of the year. Is THAT excusable?
 
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VOLNPA said:
But that same senior qb also admitted that he stayed up late all week prior to the usce game for academic project. And he played his worst game of the year. Is THAT excusable?
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I don't want to hear that Dobbs played bad cause he was studying. Scholarship is for football. We ain't come to play school.
 
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VOLNPA said:
But that same senior qb also admitted that he stayed up late all week prior to the usce game for academic project. And he played his worst game of the year. Is THAT excusable?
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No, it's not. The excuses for this team have to stop. I understand the importance of academics. I've been through professional school. I get it. However, Butch is responsible for the product he puts on the field. You can't have an out every time you drop the ball when big rewards are on the line. Facts are, this team blew two chances to play in a great bowl game/SEC championship. Totally chocked two great chances away. I don't think people realize that our opportunity was now. UGA is coming and FL will eventually figure it out. We had it made this year. We beat both UGA and FL and then blew it away by blowing games against SC and Vandy.
 
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keckjm said:
No, it's not. The excuses for this team have to stop. I understand the importance of academics. I've been through professional school. I get it. However, Butch is responsible for the product he puts on the field. You can't have an out every time you drop the ball when big rewards are on the line. Facts are, this team blew two chances to play in a great bowl game/SEC championship. Totally chocked two great chances away. I don't think people realize that our opportunity was now. UGA is coming and FL will eventually figure it out. We had it made this year. We beat both UGA and FL and then blew it away by blowing games against SC and Vandy.
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Ok, the losses are "unacceptable". So now what? What does that mean?
 
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Surprise surprise we win another meaningless bowl now the sunshine pumpers come in full force expecting us to overachieve next season. Hate to break it to you but next year we will be less talented. He only got 9 wins including the bowl with all the talent we had this season. Next year we will be lucky to go 7-5 or 6-6. We blew out our opponent in the bowl game last season and we saw what happened after that so consider me not convinced.
 
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Catbone said:
Hot seat
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Don't waste your time. I knew after we would beat a mediocre Nebraska team they'd try to be fire up the hype train again. Let's just ignore the 2 crucial sec losses to South Carolina and freaking vandy we had no business losing and cancel them out with a meaningless Nebraska win.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Don't waste your time. I knew after we would beat a mediocre Nebraska team they'd try to be fire up the hype train again. Let's just ignore the 2 crucial sec losses to South Carolina and freaking vandy we had no business losing and cancel them out with a meaningless Nebraska win.
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I disagree. We should harp on those losses ad nauseum for the next 6 months.

Butch is on the hot seat. He isn't getting fired this year. That's it. There isn't anything else to be said about it.
 
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LaagerVol said:
I disagree. We should harp on those losses ad nauseum for the next 6 months.

Butch is on the hot seat. He isn't getting fired this year. That's it. There isn't anything else to be said about it.
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You're right. He'll get canned after this season so we've only got one more year of him. He already can't coach and now recruiting is slipping too it's quite unfortunate
 
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LaagerVol said:
I disagree. We should harp on those losses ad nauseum for the next 6 months.

Butch is on the hot seat. He isn't getting fired this year. That's it. There isn't anything else to be said about it.
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That's not the issue here. The issue isn't us complaining, the issue is people actually making excuses for every single thing that goes wrong here. Yea, we lost and there's nothing we can do about it, but why in the world would anyone make an excuse for Butch blowing games, especially to Vandy and SC like we did? It's embarrassing. People need to take the orange shades off and wake up and look around. Outside the orange bubble some live in, most others aren't sunshine pumping. Most others look at our current situation and say, "hey, something isn't right here." UGA is about to be back on the map because of their recruiting and offense. Their staff makes adjustments and they have one of the best OL coaches in the country, we should know because Butch let him walk. Our recruiting is average at best for the SEC right now. We have a coach who's has huge question marks in terms of his assistant coaches and game management. If we make changes is Butch going to let the OC and DC call the shots and hire their staff? Are we going to get our recruiting back on track? If we do do these things, is Butch going to bolt at the 1st opportunity because of the pressure here? There's a lot of question marks, whose answers will hold the outloook of our program for the next 5-7 years. However, instead of worrying about the reality of our current situation and how we are going to go about fixing it, we have fans more concerned about masking and excusing losses like Vandy.
 
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keckjm said:
That's not the issue here. The issue isn't us complaining, the issue is people actually making excuses for every single thing that goes wrong here. Yea, we lost and there's nothing we can do about it, but why in the world would anyone make an excuse for Butch blowing games, especially to Vandy and SC like we did? It's embarrassing. People need to take the orange shades off and wake up and look around. Outside the orange bubble some live in, most others aren't sunshine pumping. Most others look at our current situation and say, "hey, something isn't right here." UGA is about to be back on the map because of their recruiting and offense. Their staff makes adjustments and they have one of the best OL coaches in the country, we should know because Butch let him walk. Our recruiting is average at best for the SEC right now. We have a coach who's has huge question marks in terms of his assistant coaches and game management. If we make changes is Butch going to let the OC and DC call the shots and hire their staff? Are we going to get our recruiting back on track? If we do do these things, is Butch going to bolt at the 1st opportunity because of the pressure here? There's a lot of question marks, whose answers will hold the outloook of our program for the next 5-7 years. However, instead of worrying about the reality of our current situation and how we are going to go about fixing it, we have fans more concerned about masking and excusing losses like Vandy.
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Whats funny is people like you forgot the same georiga staff whos asses your blowing smoke up lost to vandy and georiga tech with as much or more talent as we have. I agree that some changes need to be made to the staff but you people act like 9 wins with 18 starters injured isnt a decent job. Butch inherited a dumpster fire and one of the least talented rosters in the power 5. Also butch didnt "blow" the vandy and sc games the players did. Whatever happened to allowing a coach to build a program. There is no magic button to get on bamas level. Do i agree with everything butch does? Hell no. But if you think we could do alot better right now your mistaken. Lsu just hired ed orgeron for gods sake.
 
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thetennlegend said:
Whats funny is people like you forgot the same georiga staff whos asses your blowing smoke up lost to vandy and georiga tech with as much or more talent as we have. I agree that some changes need to be made to the staff but you people act like 9 wins with 18 starters injured isnt a decent job. Butch inherited a dumpster fire and one of the least talented rosters in the power 5. Also butch didnt "blow" the vandy and sc games the players did. Whatever happened to allowing a coach to build a program. There is no magic button to get on bamas level. Do i agree with everything butch does? Hell no. But if you think we could do alot better right now your mistaken. Lsu just hired ed orgeron for gods sake.
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I think Georgia hired their Dooley. With that being said you can blame everything on the players if you want but when it comes down to it the coaching has a lot to do with the way the players play. With your argument you could say it wasn't Dooleys fault it was the players fault. And yes you can blame coaching on those 2 losses it's south Carolina and freaking Vanderbilt butch got out coached and Vandy looked more prepared. Also glaring issues that have been obvious all season and that never got fixed is a telling sign. For example our DBs NEVER turn around and look for the ball and we've seen several pass interference calls and easy catches bc of this. And that's basic defensive back knowledge and our staff can't even teach them to do that.
 
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thetennlegend said:
Whats funny is people like you forgot the same georiga staff whos asses your blowing smoke up lost to vandy and georiga tech with as much or more talent as we have. I agree that some changes need to be made to the staff but you people act like 9 wins with 18 starters injured isnt a decent job. Butch inherited a dumpster fire and one of the least talented rosters in the power 5. Also butch didnt "blow" the vandy and sc games the players did. Whatever happened to allowing a coach to build a program. There is no magic button to get on bamas level. Do i agree with everything butch does? Hell no. But if you think we could do alot better right now your mistaken. Lsu just hired ed orgeron for gods sake.
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So basically, coaches get a pass for everything? Since that's the case we will move along. Also, UGA played a freshman QB all year with a rookie head coach. How long has Butch been here? Wasn't Dobbs a senior this year? I promise you if Kirby loses to Vandy again it won't go over well with UGA fans. Also, UGA has one of the best OL coaches in country, which is the only reason I mentioned UGA in the first place (well that and the fact they are killing it recruiting unlike us). Their offense and OL is going to dominate with their current coaching staff. If we want to win the East, we better be ready to score points and stop their rushing attack. Sam Pittman is an unreal recruiter and coach, and Butch's right hand man Mahoney couldn't hold his jock strap. That's also the reason why our OL looks lost half the time. Dobbs and Kamara masked a lot of OL issues this year. We won't be so luckily next year unless we get an OL coach who can develop guys like Smith. Mahoney is a below average coach and recruiter.
 
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Blame coaching all you want, but players also need to perform. Yesterday our coaches put our players in position for 2 huge TD plays...both were dropped. Had we lost a close game, half the people here would have blamed the coaches.

Vs Vandy, coaches had us in position for an early pic6 which could have changed the game and put us clearly in control. But it was dropped. By that week, we were physically reeling and need those plays. Coaches can only do so much when missing half the original roster.

Our QB apologizes for his worst collegiate performance vs usce and it's the coaching. Coaches didn't fumble a handoff when Hurd quit on his team. The freshman did.

Look...Butch isn't perfect, but your blind or stupid if you can't acknowledge the progress he's made in a short time. Call me an excuse maker. I'm a big boy and can handle it. But when olinemen are having to play dt due to injuries and suspensions, i can't put that on Butch either.
 
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