'17 TN ATH Jacoby Stevens (LSU commit)

[CWGvol]

Personal attacks on family is disgraceful for sure but IMO most recruits would follow that as every where there are classless people


Reading on message board from an "insider" , even more so if you are connected to that person, that players hate playing for a coach and are going to transfer would appear to me to have a far more Negative effect on that recruit in terms of the perception of the program than someone like myself being classless and attacking a recruits family on here

Jmo

Then yes we disagree.... I think saying something negative about a coach, and wanting a change or better performance from a particular coach, is much less harmful than personal attacks. Happens everywhere and with every coach when they aren't performing. One persons comment on a coach would not be nearly as damaging as one persons personal attacks on the kid or family. When it gets personal people get more defensive. With a coach, not so much. There can always be an improvement or a new coach hired. When it's personal, then it's no longer is about football.

 

[BruinVol]

Then yes we disagree.... I think saying something negative about a coach, and wanting a change or better performance from a particular coach, is much less harmful than personal attacks. Happens everywhere and with every coach when they aren't performing. One persons comment on a coach would not be nearly as damaging as one persons personal attacks on the kid or family. When it gets personal people get more defensive. With a coach, not so much. There can always be an improvement or a new coach hired. When it's personal, then it's no longer is about football.

To clarify the part I am saying would be so influencing is the part about the kids wanting to transfer due to the coach

Criticizing a coach can have some effect but not much IMO. I agree with you it's said here there and everywhere but it's not often you hear about the kids within the program hating their coach. That's the part I am discussing

 

[secking]

Then yes we disagree.... I think saying something negative about a coach, and wanting a change or better performance from a particular coach, is much less harmful than personal attacks. Happens everywhere and with every coach when they aren't performing. One persons comment on a coach would not be nearly as damaging as one persons personal attacks on the kid or family. When it gets personal people get more defensive. With a coach, not so much. There can always be an improvement or a new coach hired. When it's personal, then it's no longer is about football.

Difference here is that he is not only saying negative things about the coaches on a message board, but more than likely to the athletes in person as well. I wouldn't think he would be hypocritical and not say what he perceives as the truth (in his opinion). He can be far more damaging than 1,000 Bruin or Catbone posts. How do you not see that?

 

[CWGvol]

Difference here is that he is not only saying negative things about the coaches on a message board, but more than likely to the athletes in person as well. I wouldn't think he would be hypocritical and not say what he perceives as the truth (in his opinion). He can be far more damaging than 1,000 Bruin or Catbone posts. How do you not see that?

Not what I said.... It amazes me that you can't see it. Anyway, I'm done responding and further derailing the thread.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Difference here is that he is not only saying negative things about the coaches on a message board, but more than likely to the athletes in person as well. I wouldn't think he would be hypocritical and not say what he perceives as the truth (in his opinion). He can be far more damaging than 1,000 Bruin or Catbone posts. How do you not see that?

Part of his job is to give the athletes he trains with honest feedback about the coaches at schools they're interested in. Do you expect him to lie and sugar coat things for a recruit just because he's a UT fan? That would be unprofessional and not in the best interests of the kids he trains with.

 

[cncchris33]

Part of his job is to give the athletes he trains with honest feedback about the coaches at schools they're interested in. Do you expect him to lie and sugar coat things for a recruit just because he's a UT fan? That would be unprofessional and not in the best interests of the kids he trains with.

I think the difference lies in the idea of telling kids those things in private versus posting them on a message board.

NPA kids are paying him for his services and he should be as honest with them as possible, but at the same time, transparent enough to allow them to form their own opinion on campus visits and with visits with these coaches, and I'm sure he is.

Posting his opinion on a message board, when his identity is clearly known, brings his one-sided opinion (right or wrong) into the light for everyone to see, even non-NPA kids and their parents. If the idea that crazy stuff posted by random posters can turn a kid off from Tennessee, is it unreasonable to think that a well-known employee of a training facility poor-mouthing individual coaches wouldn't have the same effect? I think that is where the idea of hypocrisy lies.

Personally, I like De1 and the info he brings, but I can see where people would form that opinion based on his public criticism of coaches.

 

[BruinVol]

I think the difference lies in the idea of telling kids those things in private versus posting them on a message board.

NPA kids are paying him for his services and he should be as honest with them as possible, but at the same time, transparent enough to allow them to form their own opinion on campus visits and with visits with these coaches, and I'm sure he is.

Posting his opinion on a message board, when his identity is clearly known, brings his one-sided opinion (right or wrong) into the light for everyone to see, even non-NPA kids and their parents. If the idea that crazy stuff posted by random posters can turn a kid off from Tennessee, is it unreasonable to think that a well-known employee of a training facility poor-mouthing individual coaches wouldn't have the same effect? I think that is where the idea of hypocrisy lies.

Personally, I like De1 and the info he brings, but I can see where people would form that opinion based on his public criticism of coaches.

Exactly

Big difference between telling them in private and then telling what players share with him in private on here in a very public way

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Exactly

Big difference between telling them in private and then telling what players share with him in private on here in a very public way

I do agree with this point.


But I also don't have a problem with him giving public or private criticism of coaches he believes are underperforming on message boards, radio, or to the players he trains with.

 

[BruinVol]

I do agree with this point.


But I also don't have a problem with him giving public or private criticism of coaches he believes are underperforming on message boards, radio, or to the players he trains with.

That doesn't bother me at all either

Sharing private conversations with current players does though

 

[de1conley]

Only bringing this up in this thread cause De1 mentioned it.

Wray doesn't pick UT cause his position coach is babysat by the OC, yet he commits to a head coach who was also babysat by his former boss.

🤔

That very well might be true about Smart but the thing is that his OL and OC at UGA are proven and that structure has proven itself. Not the same comparison. Some of you really reach to make a comparison.

 

[Montrell Hardy]

This offense is an OL's dream. I would be salivating at the chance to play here, Mahoney or not. Best OL setup since Fulmer ran things in the early 90's. Clear path to the NFL.

Totally agree. With DeBord overseeing the OL and Scott's history with the OL as well you could not ask for a better coaching situation as an Offensive Lineman. I don't know how anyone can turn that into a negative. The more coaches that are hands on with a kid the better for their development. It's really a dream scenario for any OL prospect.

 

[Montrell Hardy]

Part of his job is to give the athletes he trains with honest feedback about the coaches at schools they're interested in. Do you expect him to lie and sugar coat things for a recruit just because he's a UT fan? That would be unprofessional and not in the best interests of the kids he trains with.

Yet this happens every where else. You'd never see this happen anywhere in Ohio or Georgia or Alabama. I know there are things behind the scenes that go on that we don't know about. Bottom line though, is on the surface at least, it certainly appears TN is getting zero help on the ground when it comes to the mid-state from seemingly pro Vol guys. If anything it's ended up turning into a rather big negative that the staff has to fight against. There is no other place in the country where such a big deal is made about a prospect getting an offer 12 days later than from another school.

 

[de1conley]

Fwiw I agree with deconley that message boards can cause damage with what posters say. I think that's pretty obvious

My beef with him is he is doing the same thing when he is condemning by posting that coaches should be fired and kids aren't happy unless that same coach is gone. IMO that's even worse because he is connected to kids and his words weigh more than anyone else's here.

Let me clarify something for you. We had a few players and ,as I said then I won't quote names out of confidentiality and at the request of certain coaches esp CBJ, call and say please lets address things in house. For the record every HC, OL/Wr coach in that recruits against UT and Mahoney and Azzani use that in recruiting against UT. I have no personal agendas, but will help out this program any way I can. Also if kids call me unhappy I talk to the HC and give them the opportunity to fix it in house. Guys complained about all the robot drills, the stance, etc that CZA had them doing. They threatened to leave and it was fixed. PPl saying things about me posting about coaches etc. Let me make this clear, Stevie Wonder can see and address that these 2 position groups weren't of UT standard. So you tell me who's to blame?

 

[de1conley]

Yet this happens every where else. You'd never see this happen anywhere in Ohio or Georgia or Alabama. I know there is things behind the scenes that go on that we don't know about. Bottom line is on the surface at least, it certainly appears TN is getting zero help on the ground when it comes to the mid-state from seemingly pro Vol guys. If anything it's ended up turning into a rather big negative that the staff has to fight against. There is no other place in the country where such a big deal is made about a prospect getting an offer 12 days later than from another school.

who has made it hard for UT by pro VOL guys? Who's been a negative in mid-Tn? help me out and quote facts please.

 

[Montrell Hardy]

who has made it hard for UT by pro VOL guys? Who's been a negative in mid-Tn? help me out and quote facts please.

I said on the surface it appears that way and I can see how fans would view it like that. This whole Wray situation is a pretty good example. I can't figure out how Tennessee's OL coaching situation with 3 experienced coaches heavily involved could ever be taken as a "negative" for any OL recruit. The more coaches and one on one time a kid gets at this level the better for his development long-term.

 

[de1conley]

I said on the surface it appears that way and I can see how fans would view it like that. This whole Wray situation is a pretty good example. I can't figure out how Tennessee's OL coaching situation with 3 experienced coaches heavily involved could ever be taken as a "negative" for any OL recruit. The more coaches and one on one time a kid gets at this level the better for his development long-term.

How can you not understand something so simple? There aren't any barriers or walls for UT in Mid-TN. Also who's got a more polished resume over the past 3-5 yrs as an OL or OC DeBorg/Mahoney vs Chaney/ Pittman? That's really simple. Pittman is easily regarded to as if not the best 1 of the best in NCAA and Chaney has OL experience as well. Guy take off the orange tinted sensotive feelings glasses and you'll understand. Plus as has already been posted the kid is not the traditional state of Tn kid. he's an implant.

 

[VFL10]

How can you not understand something so simple? There aren't any barriers or walls for UT in Mid-TN. Also who's got a more polished resume over the past 3-5 yrs as an OL or OC DeBorg/Mahoney vs Chaney/ Pittman? That's really simple. Pittman is easily regarded to as if not the best 1 of the best in NCAA and Chaney has OL experience as well. Guy take off the orange tinted sensotive feelings glasses and you'll understand. Plus as has already been posted the kid is not the traditional state of Tn kid. he's an implant.

Can you not see a logical counter point in a conversation? Why can't you understand something so simple?

 

[Catbone]

How can you not understand something so simple? There aren't any barriers or walls for UT in Mid-TN. Also who's got a more polished resume over the past 3-5 yrs as an OL or OC DeBorg/Mahoney vs Chaney/ Pittman? That's really simple. Pittman is easily regarded to as if not the best 1 of the best in NCAA and Chaney has OL experience as well. Guy take off the orange tinted sensotive feelings glasses and you'll understand. Plus as has already been posted the kid is not the traditional state of Tn kid. he's an implant.

^

 

[BruinVol]

Let me clarify something for you. We had a few players and ,as I said then I won't quote names out of confidentiality and at the request of certain coaches esp CBJ, call and say please lets address things in house. For the record every HC, OL/Wr coach in that recruits against UT and Mahoney and Azzani use that in recruiting against UT. I have no personal agendas, but will help out this program any way I can. Also if kids call me unhappy I talk to the HC and give them the opportunity to fix it in house. Guys complained about all the robot drills, the stance, etc that CZA had them doing. They threatened to leave and it was fixed. PPl saying things about me posting about coaches etc. Let me make this clear, Stevie Wonder can see and address that these 2 position groups weren't of UT standard. So you tell me who's to blame?

It's simple who is to blame in this context.

You are for sharing private conversations with players here publicly and for that you are dead wrong and causing a lot of harm with recruits here IMO

By your own admission cbj ask to fix things in house but you share that info here.

Keep slinging rocks but you need to look in the mirror

 

[LynxVol]

How can you not understand something so simple? There aren't any barriers or walls for UT in Mid-TN. Also who's got a more polished resume over the past 3-5 yrs as an OL or OC DeBorg/Mahoney vs Chaney/ Pittman? That's really simple. Pittman is easily regarded to as if not the best 1 of the best in NCAA and Chaney has OL experience as well. Guy take off the orange tinted sensotive feelings glasses and you'll understand. Plus as has already been posted the kid is not the traditional state of Tn kid. he's an implant.

Speaking with such a degrading tone will work wonders for you on this board. Try not to be so combative for once. Just because you have a direct line of communication with coaches/players doesn't mean your word is gospel. I think a lot of people here appreciate your perspective and information, buy it feels like you're taking advantage of that with the way you address some people on here.

 

[Wickman]

Speaking with such a degrading tone will work wonders for you on this board. Try not to be so combative for once. Just because you have a direct line of communication with coaches/players doesn't mean your word is gospel. I think a lot of people here appreciate your perspective and information, buy it feels like you're taking advantage of that with the way you address some people on here.

I am not one of those people that appreciate "what he brings." The moment he claimed he discovered Leonard Fournette for our coaches was the moment he lost me. The condescending tone and terrible grammar just put the icing on.

 

[de1conley]

It's simple who is to blame in this context.

You are for sharing private conversations with players here publicly and for that you are dead wrong and causing a lot of harm with recruits here IMO

By your own admission cbj ask to fix things in house but you share that info here.

Keep slinging rocks but you need to look in the mirror

I'll post what I want to post and if you hv the time go back and look it up I said the same thing as above when it was asked back then. I won't name names but yes players were ready to leave. We helped with those situations and things got fixed. I have never been a rock slinger but I can also be objected to kids not committing to UT without hurt feelings. Hell I have to see these kids like T. Dodson, Ugo, Ramsey, and now Wray dawn other schools logos at NPA workouts. I have to look at all these false post that make accusations and are from UT bias. Kids make decisions they feel are better suited for themselves and their future, and ppl attack Mid-TN and NPA because of this which is idiotic and plain stupid.

 

[BruinVol]

I'll post what I want to post.

Then let me put this in plain English

STFU about what anyone else post then because they are just posting what they want to

 

[de1conley]

I am not one of those people that appreciate "what he brings." The moment he claimed he discovered Leonard Fournette for our coaches was the moment he lost me. The condescending tone and terrible grammar just put the icing on.

That's fine too. JAy Graham didn't recruit him and now he'll likely be #1 pk next yr. You hv your choice but I promise I have ppl all over who send me info and it's how I came across LF and grammar on a msg board who are you kidding?

 

[de1conley]

Speaking with such a degrading tone will work wonders for you on this board. Try not to be so combative for once. Just because you have a direct line of communication with coaches/players doesn't mean your word is gospel. I think a lot of people here appreciate your perspective and information, buy it feels like you're taking advantage of that with the way you address some people on here.

I never degraded anybody, but don't come for me when I bring info because a person's only objective mindset is all UT or we didn't want him or he was paid. It's all the "can't accept the truth crowd" who feels everything UT is gold. Well it ain't and there are pieces that need fixing but that doesn't stop me from helping where I can or giving info relayed to me from coaches. There is no advantage of my info it is what it is, "info". I don't beg anybody to believe me ala WICKMAN.