'17 TN LB Jacob Phillips

[BigZiti09]

The same reason you and I are. We don't go along with the sunshine pumpers. It really started with the Gray thread and de1 saying he's overrated. TBH based off Gray's production he is overrated but I think he was part of a terrible team/system. I wouldn't want to try either.

Lol. Cat De1 and BO91. The VN Razor Ramones.

 

[jspvol76]

 

[de1conley]

Can someone explain why de1 is now a bad guy? I'm lost

When things go wrong ppl point fingers despite seeing the truth. Its funny to me i get the same stuff this time of year, but this year is different because so many had faith in the preseason and then the undefeated start. Now recruiting is a 3* haven which is not a happy place for many, and now NPA negative recruits against UT because some have been exposed to the truth about the real culture not some cute sayings on a podium by the HC or pre-approved articles by VQ. I tell you I have laughed with those guys when they were in Nashville at camps, at my house while here, and various restaurants around the city about things having to be approved and pre-released statements only being allowed out. And before its asked no CBJ is not the only 1 who does that Saban does too but he's Saban.

 

[SycloneJoe]

He and Hurd were at Beech at the same time but like you said, people at Beech have mixed feelings when it comes to Hurd. He has been viewed as a quitter and a diva going back to his senior year. I doubt Hurd would have any influence.

 

[butchna]

Your opinion means nothing Butchna if you're really in Tx here's the location of the camp

Kick ass! That's where our PWO hails from! Bet you talk some sense into him...amirite?

 

[butchna]

When things go wrong ppl point fingers despite seeing the truth. Its funny to me i get the same stuff this time of year, but this year is different because so many had faith in the preseason and then the undefeated start. Now recruiting is a 3* haven which is not a happy place for many, and now NPA negative recruits against UT because some have been exposed to the truth about the real culture not some cute sayings on a podium by the HC or pre-approved articles by VQ. I tell you I have laughed with those guys when they were in Nashville at camps, at my house while here, and various restaurants around the city about things having to be approved and pre-released statements only being allowed out. And before its asked no CBJ is not the only 1 who does that Saban does too but he's Saban.

 

[butchna]

Keep posting. These sheep can't handle truths.

"Oh I'm SORRY I don't SLURP at the altar of the guy who works at a camp and then cuts the hair of important sports agents like Jimmy Sexton!"

That how you do it?

 

[JacketVol]

Newt let me explain to you really clear. My income is not based on recruiting. My income is based around Anointed Handz Barbershop. Stop assuming and ask if there's something you want or feel you need to know. I work a full time job through self employment and i absolutely hv never had any knd of Cecil Newton happenings in my life.

If you had Cecil dealings, you would be posting from Barbados instead of the shop.

 

[Mullins2010]

When things go wrong ppl point fingers despite seeing the truth. Its funny to me i get the same stuff this time of year, but this year is different because so many had faith in the preseason and then the undefeated start. Now recruiting is a 3* haven which is not a happy place for many, and now NPA negative recruits against UT because some have been exposed to the truth about the real culture not some cute sayings on a podium by the HC or pre-approved articles by VQ. I tell you I have laughed with those guys when they were in Nashville at camps, at my house while here, and various restaurants around the city about things having to be approved and pre-released statements only being allowed out. And before its asked no CBJ is not the only 1 who does that Saban does too but he's Saban.

What is the real culture?

 

[LittleVol]

What is the real culture?

Man no offense, but it's pretty obvious.

Butch is fluff.

No identity has been established.
Because Butch is a fraud.

Just look at the past two seasons.
We've lost 8 games. Probably should be half that.

 

[Mullins2010]

Man no offense, but it's pretty obvious.

Butch is fluff.

No identity has been established.
Because Butch is a fraud.

Just look at the past two seasons.
We've lost 8 games. Probably should be half that.

O ok

 

[bignewt]

Newt let me explain to you really clear. My income is not based on recruiting. My income is based around Anointed Handz Barbershop. Stop assuming and ask if there's something you want or feel you need to know. I work a full time job through self employment and i absolutely hv never had any knd of Cecil Newton happenings in my life.

That may very well be but your opinion on the importance of in state recruiting is still, well, extremely biased to say the least.

 

[Mick]

That may very well be but your opinion on the importance of in state recruiting is still, well, extremely biased to say the least.

Having Phillips, Higgins, and Rogers go elsewhere is not a good thing.

 

[Glitch]

Keep posting. These sheep can't handle truths.

I see you had a successful time fishing for negalikes, but......

 

[AV_12]

That may very well be but your opinion on the importance of in state recruiting is still, well, extremely biased to say the least.

Are you suggesting that getting the best players in your own recruiting backyard isn't that important?

 

[Glitch]

What is the real culture?

The real culture is a couple of whiney 5 stars quit on their team midseason after sowing their malcontent and dragging down the team. Butch should have handed them papers before the seasons and sent them packing but he would have been burned in effigy if he had. Now he is being burned in effigy for letting the players have too much say. The real culture is Butch is a young coach that made a some mistakes this past year. The three years prior we had a very disciplined team that played their hearts out in every single game. Yet some want to put forth that the culture is rotten through. Why were those first three teams so disciplined and hard working.

I think the issues get fixed this year and we see a different style of team in September.

 

[bignewt]

Are you suggesting that getting the best players in your on recruiting backyard isn't that important?

Yes I am if you go out and get equal recruits anywhere else. I realize its not popular thought but it is a difference in philosophy. Truly outside the box thinking.

If you do not herald the importance of in state recruiting and instead have a formula for getting the best regardless then it ceases to matter where kids are from. Tennessee did this in the 90s. We were known for going coast to coast for kids, yes it was out of necessity but we had that perception and it worked. We still do that but because of stupid fence comments everybody is worried about the backyard now and when those kids, like most do, want to go somewhere else to experience life everyone gets down on the program as failing. That in turn hurts recruiting as a whole.

Does it hurt to miss Higgins or mid-state talent? Sure but not any more than a 5 star WR from say Georgia, Virginia or North Carolina. As long as we get similar talent I tell Higgins later buddy have fun out there.

Once kids see that, they too will realize it doesn't matter and if a kid wants to stay in state thats great if he is a fit. If not, no worries on either side. Build the team with Volunteers and they will come.

Again, I know I do this song and dance every year. Thank you for enduring it. :good!:

 

[Mick]

Yes I am if you go out and get equal recruits anywhere else. I realize its not popular thought but it is a difference in philosophy. Truly outside the box thinking.

If you do not herald the importance of in state recruiting and instead have a formula for getting the best regardless then it ceases to matter where kids are from. Tennessee did this in the 90s. We were known for going coast to coast for kids, yes it was out of necessity but we had that perception and it worked. We still do that but because of stupid fence comments everybody is worried about the backyard now and when those kids, like most do, want to go somewhere else to experience life everyone gets down on the program as failing. That in turn hurts recruiting as a whole.

Does it hurt to miss Higgins or mid-state talent? Sure but not any more than a 5 star WR from say Georgia, Virginia or North Carolina. As long as we get similar talent I tell Higgins later buddy have fun out there.

Once kids see that, they too will realize it doesn't matter and if a kid wants to stay in state thats great if he is a fit. If not, no worries on either side. Build the team with Volunteers and they will come.

Again, I know I do this song and dance every year. Thank you for enduring it. :good!:

He does not a formula to accomplish this yet. He is missing the main ingredient, quality wins.

 

[sanddune50]

Man no offense, but it's pretty obvious.

Butch is fluff.

No identity has been established.
Because Butch is a fraud.

Just look at the past two seasons.
We've lost 8 games. Probably should be half that.

Strong words for a guy simply doing his best to coach a team. Is he the best coach in the world? No. But to me a fraud would imply he's collecting a check and not putting much effort into his job. And that's not true. If some of you former players truly wanted the program to do well, you guys wouldn't spend every waking minute undermining the guy trying to make Tennessee relevant again. Let him succeed or fail on his own. No need to nudge him off the cliff.

 

[sanddune50]

Having Phillips, Higgins, and Rogers go elsewhere is not a good thing.

Getting Ignont eases any pain on missing on Phillips. Rogers is a dime a dozen WR. Higgins is the only guy that hurt and apparently, we were outbid for his services. If anything we need a better bagman program.

 

[Mick]

Getting Ignont eases any pain on missing on Phillips. Rogers is a dime a dozen WR. Higgins is the only guy that hurt and apparently, we were outbid for his services. If anything we need a better bagman program.

Agree and Ignont may be an upgrade.

 

[bignewt]

He does not a formula to accomplish this yet. He is missing the main ingredient, quality wins.

You can have the formula and not have all the ingredients.

 

[butchna]

Are you suggesting that getting the best players in your on recruiting backyard isn't that important?

Yeah...that's what he said. :glare:

 

[Mick]

You can have the formula and not have all the ingredients.

True but you don't bring out the recipe (formula) to make egg salad without eggs (quality wins). I would very much like some egg salad next cycle.

 

[KBVol]

Are you suggesting that getting the best players in your on recruiting backyard isn't that important?

Yes he is. He's made that clear in this thread. I disagree, but he's entitled to the opinion that you get the best players from outside the state if need be. I think you start with your instate guys, target and get the best of what you want/need come aboard and then go get what you can from your other most furtile recruiting areas.