'17 TN OL/DT Trey Smith (UT commit 12/6/2016)

#953
#953
Going to have to have big seasons to get the big time recruits now. The days of just Butch's slogans alone getting recruits are over.
 
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Catbone said:
Going to have to have big seasons to get the big time recruits now. The days of just Butch's slogans alone getting recruits are over.
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Recruiting is the least of Butch's worries. Win 10+ and it resolves itself. Fail that and it won't matter.
 
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SSVol said:
Recruiting is the least of Butch's worries. Win 10+ and it resolves itself. Fail that and it won't matter.
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We missed out on 10 wins by 1 last year. I just don't see 10 as some magic bullet that recruits are paying attention to. If we win 10 but lose to Alabama and Florida then this year will be almost identical to last year.
 
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McGeesPub said:
We missed out on 10 wins by 1 last year. I just don't see 10 as some magic bullet that recruits are paying attention to. If we win 10 but lose to Alabama and Florida then this year will be almost identical to last year.
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10 Regular season
 
#958
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McGeesPub said:
We missed out on 10 wins by 1 last year. I just don't see 10 as some magic bullet that recruits are paying attention to. If we win 10 but lose to Alabama and Florida then this year will be almost identical to last year.
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I agree. I don't think 1 more win opens the proverbial flood gates. If it's that close, those top recruits would be committed now. If UT flopped, they would just decommit. Doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's not enough.

Winning the SEC championship is the only thing that'll make recruits notice.
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I agree. A 10 win season where we barely get to ATL and then lose and then win the Cotton Bowl or something is barely better than last season from a perception standpoint. That's a 2013/2014 Mizzou season. It won't move the needle.

We need to be RELEVANT in these kids' minds, not just a "solid" program.

Auburn is still living off 2010 and 2013. A&M is still living off Manziel and the Bama win. Ole Miss is living off the two Bama wins (and cheating like crazy, of course). UGA is living off Smart and his rings as Bama's DC. LSU is living off 2007, 2011, and putting 8,000 guys into the league over the past 15 years. Same story outside the SEC with FSU, OSU, Clemson, OU, etc.

What do we have in comparison to those programs? Slow and steady progress under Butch and a run-heavy offense. Oh, and 10+ years of being mediocre/sucking, which is basically these kids' entire childhoods.

I think we can still get a "good" class with 10 wins and an ATL loss, but to get back into elite territory and top 10 classes year in and year out, we have to make noise on the field AND start loading up the draft with our players.

Get to ATL by any means necessary, win, and get to the playoffs. And be the talk of CFB for the entire regular season. That's how we become relevant again for the foreseeable future.
 
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McGeesPub said:
We missed out on 10 wins by 1 last year. I just don't see 10 as some magic bullet that recruits are paying attention to. If we win 10 but lose to Alabama and Florida then this year will be almost identical to last year.
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Definitely cannot lose to Florida this year. We must win 10 regular season games with the talent we have. If not, then Butch may never get it done at UT.
 
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Aesius said:
I agree. A 10 win season where we barely get to ATL and then lose and then win the Cotton Bowl or something is barely better than last season from a perception standpoint. That's a 2013/2014 Mizzou season. It won't move the needle.

We need to be RELEVANT in these kids' minds, not just a "solid" program.

Auburn is still living off 2010 and 2013. A&M is still living off Manziel and the Bama win. Ole Miss is living off the two Bama wins (and cheating like crazy, of course). UGA is living off Smart and his rings as Bama's DC. LSU is living off 2007, 2011, and putting 8,000 guys into the league over the past 15 years. Same story outside the SEC with FSU, OSU, Clemson, OU, etc.

What do we have in comparison to those programs? Slow and steady progress under Butch and a run-heavy offense. Oh, and 10+ years of being mediocre/sucking, which is basically these kids' entire childhoods.

I think we can still get a "good" class with 10 wins and an ATL loss, but to get back into elite territory and top 10 classes year in and year out, we have to make noise on the field AND start loading up the draft with our players.

Get to ATL by any means necessary, win, and get to the playoffs. And be the talk of CFB for the entire regular season. That's how we become relevant again for the foreseeable future.
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Good Stuff.:good!:
 
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butchna said:
So he sees a highly recruited tackle get beat out by a guy who's barely played in two years, and THAT will make him flock to the program? :huh: Maybe he'll wonder about Niehaus and/or Tatum under that auspice?
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Was thinking more of Richmond and Kendrick as tackles and Hall as backup.
 
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DEENO
‏@DBituli

"@smithtrey98 idk about everyone else but I'm hearing good things about a future vol named named trey😈😤🍊"

Daniel Bituli tweeted. Smith retweeted.
 
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Aesius said:
I agree. A 10 win season where we barely get to ATL and then lose and then win the Cotton Bowl or something is barely better than last season from a perception standpoint. That's a 2013/2014 Mizzou season. It won't move the needle.

We need to be RELEVANT in these kids' minds, not just a "solid" program.

Auburn is still living off 2010 and 2013. A&M is still living off Manziel and the Bama win. Ole Miss is living off the two Bama wins (and cheating like crazy, of course). UGA is living off Smart and his rings as Bama's DC. LSU is living off 2007, 2011, and putting 8,000 guys into the league over the past 15 years. Same story outside the SEC with FSU, OSU, Clemson, OU, etc.

What do we have in comparison to those programs? Slow and steady progress under Butch and a run-heavy offense. Oh, and 10+ years of being mediocre/sucking, which is basically these kids' entire childhoods.

I think we can still get a "good" class with 10 wins and an ATL loss, but to get back into elite territory and top 10 classes year in and year out, we have to make noise on the field AND start loading up the draft with our players.

Get to ATL by any means necessary, win, and get to the playoffs. And be the talk of CFB for the entire regular season. That's how we become relevant again for the foreseeable future.
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So you would rather have a Heisman winning druggie who is an NFL bust then to play in Atlanta? Or two wins over Bama than to play in Atlanta? That's all A&M and Ole Miss got out of it. Neither one of them played in the SEC championship game. A&M isn't living off Manziel. They're living off being the only SEC school in the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. And like you said Ole Piss is cheating like crazy. Just me, but I would rather lose to Bama next year and play in the Dome than to have a Heisman winner or a fluke win over Bama. That's how we will know that we are back,
 
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sonofUT62 said:
So you would rather have a Heisman winning druggie who is an NFL bust then to play in Atlanta? Or two wins over Bama than to play in Atlanta? That's all A&M and Ole Miss got out of it. Neither one of them played in the SEC championship game. A&M isn't living off Manziel. They're living off being the only SEC school in the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. And like you said Ole Piss is cheating like crazy. Just me, but I would rather lose to Bama next year and play in the Dome than to have a Heisman winner or a fluke win over Bama. That's how we will know that we are back,
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A&M is definitely still benefiting from Manziel. Sumlin is an average/below average coach in the SEC. Without Johnny Football, he's an OC somewhere right now. Sumlin loaded up on recruits when Manziel was lighting it up, and he's still living off that success on the trail.

The Vols still have no identity under Jones. No major accomplishments they can point to to get recruits interested. We have gone from "terrible" to "not terrible, decent, pretty good, could be very good in 2016 but we'll see" in their minds.

Other big-time SEC and P5 schools have recent track records of success, even if it's not necessarily playing for championships. And honestly, beating Bama at this point is a milestone. Doesn't matter what program does it. It's second only to winning the NC, IMO, in terms of the effect it has on a team's season and outlook.

Ole Miss beating them in 2014 and 2015 was THE biggest storyline in the SEC for weeks. Same with A&M in 2012 and of course Auburn in 2013.
 
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