'17 TN OL/DT Trey Smith (UT commit 12/6/2016)

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CrunchingTheVolz said:
So if that were true whoever signs the most kids in a given class wins that cycles team overall rankings? If OSU signs 22 and NC State signs 25,If player rankings didn't matter and we are going averages, it's the Wolfpack winning. LOL
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No. That's not what that mean at all.
If half your 5 Stars pan out to be 5 stars, and half not, you still do way better than a school with no five stars? 4 stars, so on.

I swear, even when someone tries to interact with you and ignore the past, you just always go full leb.
My bad for trying.
 
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chargervol said:
No. That's not what that mean at all.
If half your 5 Stars pan out to be 5 stars, and half not, you still do way better than a school with no five stars? 4 stars, so on.

I swear, even when someone tries to interact with you and ignore the past, you just always go full leb.
My bad for trying.
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But if the rankings are not accurate, who is a 5* and who is a 3* in reality?
 
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That's where coaches evaluations come in and some are obviously better at it than others.
The ranking sites are for the fans Not the coaches.
 
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chargervol said:
That's where coaches evaluations come in and some are obviously better at it than others.
The ranking sites are for the fans Not the coaches.
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Oh I agree the coaches probably never look at these recruiting sites. At least not for eval purposes. I do think it's funny when Butch tweets about a new commit it does seem to contain enough Oranges to coincide with the kids * rating.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Oh I agree the coaches probably never look at these recruiting sites. At least not for eval purposes. I do think it's funny when Butch tweets about a new commit it does seem to contain enough Oranges to coincide with the kids * rating.
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I need you to cross reference the tweets with the different sites and their ratings so we can know which one he prefers.
 
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bignewt said:
I need you to cross reference the tweets with the different sites and their ratings so we can know which one he prefers.
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I started to then got a call and never went back to check. It wasn't 247 composite or ESPN. With VQ being kind of the mouth for the staff, I could see it being Rivals.
 
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I'm not in the same corner as D4H.
I think these sites serve a purpose. I also however, feel that some fans are starting to take them just a little too literally.

The composite can be torpedoed by one site.
Their reasoning can be because he didn't attend the right camp or because they looked at his film right before lunch and just gave the grade they assumed because of the region etc.
I had been following 247 mostly. But as they continue to demonstrate that their paid camps are their source and the more camps attended, the better your chances, that shows an obvious bias and opening for flaw.
 
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chargervol said:
I'm not in the same corner as D4H.
I think these sites serve a purpose. I also however, feel that some fans are starting to take them just a little too literally.

The composite can be torpedoed by one site.
Their reasoning can be because he didn't attend the right camp or because they looked at his film right before lunch and just gave the grade they assumed because of the region etc.
I had been following 247 mostly. But as they continue to demonstrate that their paid camps are their source and the more camps attended, the better your chances, that shows an obvious bias and opening for flaw.
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I agree with this and I will add that these people that evaluate these kids are not all experts. Many on here are just as qualified as many of the so called experts. Many haven't even played organized sports. I take many of the evaluations with a grade of slaw.
 
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i think ratings are a good ballpark but that's about it. There are too many variables. Film is the number one indicator, then offers if you can get an accurate account. Also for me, the leaps and bounds that a player can take either forwards or backwards during their senior year can be huge so judging them so early is a disservice to everybody. Its the same to me as the "Second year surge" in college. Branding a kid a 3 or 4 or even 5 star before they play their most important year of football is ridiculous.
 
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bignewt said:
i think ratings are a good ballpark but that's about it. There are too many variables. Film is the number one indicator, then offers if you can get an accurate account. Also for me, the leaps and bounds that a player can take either forwards or backwards during their senior year can be huge so judging them so early is a disservice to everybody. Its the same to me as the "Second year surge" in college. Branding a kid a 3 or 4 or even 5 star before they play their most important year of football is ridiculous.
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I agree with this too but I will say that offers can be misleading. There is really no way to verify whether the offer is legit and committable. There are many offers that TN has thrown out there that there is no way TN would take their commitment.
 
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Yeah that is why I prefaced it with an "accurate account." Which of course is dang near impossible to gauge.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
But if the rankings are not accurate, who is a 5* and who is a 3* in reality?
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The player rankings aren't always accurate but they're right about 50% of the time.

So if you sign 2 five stars, it's a coin toss on which one lives up to the billing and which one doesn't.

Look no further than our 2014 class. Both Hurd and Malone were 5 stars according to 2 of the services. One guy (Hurd) lived up to the billing while another (Malone) has not.

That's what I mean by the player rankings being inaccurate. But the team rankings end up being accurate because if you keep collected highly rated guys, some of them are bound to pan out.
 
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So...

Get more of the highly ranked players (which, according to D4H, is a flawed system)... And you have a better chance of hitting on something. You can't be certain about one player, but an aggregate ranking of all of those players, essentially a compilation of a bunch of flawed measures, gives a good snapshot of a team's chances at success.

But... Using more of the ranking systems and giving a composite class ranking (remember, class rankings are useful!) to have a better chance of evaluating the class correctly... That's wrong and useless. Because 'compiling multiple flawed measures doesn't make a better measure.'

I think I get it!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The player rankings aren't always accurate but they're right about 50% of the time.

So if you sign 2 five stars, it's a coin toss on which one lives up to the billing and which one doesn't.

Look no further than our 2014 class. Both Hurd and Malone were 5 stars according to 2 of the services. One guy (Hurd) lived up to the billing while another (Malone) has not.

That's what I mean by the player rankings being inaccurate. But the team rankings end up being accurate because if you keep collected highly rated guys, some of them are bound to pan out.
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Poor example IMO.

Our offense hands the ball to Hurd. We don't throw it to Malone, Or any WRs much. Also I'd wait to discount Josh's rating till he's done here.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Also I'd wait to discount Josh's rating till he's done here.
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And this is another thing.

Not like we're finished evaluating a guy's career.

Further, there are simply going to be more 3 and 4 stars around... Giving them a higher chance to boom (and us casually forget all the others who followed an expected path) and 5 stars a greater chance to bust.
 
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And don't leave out High School coaching. Some of these coaches actually teach the wrong technique and one week at a camp isn't going to override 3 years of the opposite.
This is when the best football evaluation surpasses a blogger for a website.
Hard to have impressive receiving stats if you have never learned how to break free on your route to begin with.
Same with the QB who's never been shown proper footwork.
 
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I think this question has already been asked, but I'll go ahead and repeat it:

WHERE IS THE TREY SMITH THREAD?
 
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I just want Smith to open up a hole for Kelly, fils-aime, akers, or whoever else we have back there at RB. Is that to much to ask?
 
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