'17 VA DE Elijah Conliffe (Florida commit)

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bignewt said:
Not a fact just your spin with the limited amount of knowledge you have about the myriad of situations.
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I'm just going off of what guys like Callahan are saying:

That if we add anyone else, we're probably gonna have to let someone go.

If you combine that with the what we know about the staff still wanting to close with a big time target on the DL, then it's not a big logical leap to make.


I never said that that the staff didn't have their reasons or that they're making a mistake. Just that they've backed themselves into a corner number wise and limited their options.


I'm sure they have their reasons for it, but it's unreasonable to act as if that's some crazy spin on what we know.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I'm just going off of what guys like Callahan are saying:

That if we add anyone else, we're probably gonna have to let someone go.

If you combine that with the what we know about the staff still wanting to close with a big time target on the DL, then it's not a big logical leap to make.


I never said that that the staff didn't have their reasons or that they're making a mistake. Just that they've backed themselves into a corner number wise and limited their options.


I'm sure they have their reasons for it, but it's unreasonable to act as if that's some crazy spin on what we know.
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The phrase "backed into a corner" implies mistakes were made.

Also pot calling kettle? I havent said anything about the numbers other than we dont know what is happening behind the curtain.
 
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bignewt said:
How do you get backed into a corner if not by poor planning? Cmon man.
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You're inferring a more negative connotation on the term than it actually has, man.


Things could be going perfectly according to their plan and this class could turn out to be a smashing success. But that doesn't change the fact that they've backed themselves into a corner number wise at this point and will be in a tough spot if more highly rated guys wanna jump on board but all current commits hold tight.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
We got, what, 7 commits from OCD? Of those, the ones remaining are Bumphus (good in-state athlete at TE or DE, definite take), Jackson (in-state DB, take), Fant (in-state WR, take if grades are in order), and Coleman (RB, needed 3, fine with it). The other 3 guys from that day are gone. What is your story, here?

I don't see how those affect Ray/Conliffe. If you want to complain about a late take like Thaxton? I get that (same position, late enough to think you could maybe get him to hold off as a backup plan). Or Palmer? I just don't get why OCD is the reason you want to run with when we got rid of half of those guys by this time anyway.
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Big Gucci Sosa said:
Make any excuse you want
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This is not making excuses; this is making a reasonable argument against what you said about OCD. I do get that you think that we took too many marginal takes early in the process and I think that is an issue, but the OP makes a reasonable argument and your reply is the best you got? C'mon.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
You're inferring a more negative connotation on the term than it actually has, man.


Things could be going perfectly according to their plan and this class could turn out to be a smashing success. But that doesn't change the fact that they've backed themselves into a corner number wise at this point and will be in a tough spot if more highly rated guys wanna jump on board but all current commits hold tight.
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Let me get you a can of paint and have you put a coat on the floor. Did you wind up backed into a corner? Did you plan on doing that?

This staff knows recruiting better than both of us ever could. I know that bruises your omnipotent pride but when you state something as a fact, lets have it actually be one.
 
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WhatInVolnation said:
Yeah, it is so weird how the highest ranked recruiting class teams, purely coincidentally of course, win and/or compete for titles (Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, and FSU) and the others don't and so I keep forgetting that recruiting rankings are meaningless and I should just be happy with this class and the massive misses by the staff because 3* classes are just as good as more highly ranked classes.
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Literally nobody is saying that our class is just as good as the teams you list. I am disappointed overall, but I am not in panic mode, either. Hyperbole, much?
 
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bignewt said:
Let me get you a can of paint and have yyou put a coat on the floor. Did you wind up backed into a corner? Did you plan on doing that?

This staff knows recruiting better than both of us ever could. I know that bruises your omnipotent pride but when you state something as a fact, lets have it actually be one.
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Let me put you in a room with a bear that chases you into a corner. Is that a mistake on your part?

Making a biased hypothetical has little bearing on the heart of the issue here.


All I've been trying to say is that the staff has made decisions that have made numbers tight and thus have limited their options going into the last week or so of this recruiting class.


I'm sorry if calling that a fact has upset you or if my wording wasn't to your liking.


But that seems like a fact to me.
 
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Magic8Vol said:
Thats the point. He wouldn't commit. They could've waited? Palmer wants to be a vol. Its the 11th hour & conliffe is still taking visits. If you tell palmer he has to wait til nsd to see what conliffe wants to do then we force palmer to go somewhere else also & still may not get a guy that is visiting another school right now. Palmer cant wait on conliffe because it leaves him with nowhere to go if conliffe decides to be a vol. Conliffe forced butches hand. Fl can wait til the last minute cause their class is awful & beggars can't be choosers. W Dooleys last class we got a 4 star dt that wanted to go to Fl but they ran out of room & turned him away. So we signed him a couple days after nsd. He ended up at fl later on anyway.
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I think that I would rather have Conliffe over Palmer. I understand why they thought that they could not wait, but it's not like Palmer is going to make or break this class, either.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
You're inferring a more negative connotation on the term than it actually has, man.


Things could be going perfectly according to their plan and this class could turn out to be a smashing success. But that doesn't change the fact that they've backed themselves into a corner number wise at this point and will be in a tough spot if more highly rated guys wanna jump on board but all current commits hold tight.
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I would guess that this staff knows who and how many higher rated guys are out there that might want to jump on board and at this late point there are few, with the exception of one. And they have room for him if and when he decides.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
I remember reading about them in the newspaper's and like you said preseason magazines.
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USA Today would grade and rank the classes. They'd tell you where THEIR AA's ended up and the top recruit for each Top 10 class. The TFP would list a few more of interest. When I first got access to a Knoxville News-Sentinel, I loved some of the stories on recruits, but you wouldn't know we signed Riley Livingood until the preseason mags. Damn! Been doing this too long!
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Let me put you in a room with a bear that chases you into a corner. Is that a mistake on your part?

Making a biased hypothetical has little bearing on the heart of the issue here.


All I've been trying to say is that the staff has made decisions that have made numbers tight and thus have limited their options going into the last week or so of this recruiting class.


I'm sorry if calling that a fact has upset you or if my wording wasn't to your liking.


But that seems like a fact to me.
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I would argue getting in a room with a bear is my mistake...you're a good dude darth and fun to debates. Just saying the staff did what they did based on more knowledge than we have. Can we agree on that?
 
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drvenner said:
I think that I would rather have Conliffe over Palmer. I understand why they thought that they could not wait, but it's not like Palmer is going to make or break this class, either.
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I'd rather have Palmer if we can't have both. We needed another WR IMO. Now Conliffe for another DL committ I could see. But not this late in the game unless guys are not qualifying or are taking OVs still.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
You inferred that.

Being backed into a corner means you have limited options. Someone can back himself into a corner without having made a mistake.
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Having a near full class days b4 nsd is NOT backing urself into a corner is called doing your job. We both agree that conliffe should be the take here. But if hes nit willing to say yes days before msd & another player is then would u really want butch to pass on another position of need on the chance of losing out on both?

I think we are much closer on this issue than it may seem. I would much rather have another dt than wr. I think butch would too but clearly w 28 committed already, days b4 nsd, tough decisions have to be made. conliffe not being decided puts butch in a no win situation. Rivals guy on football futures said this morning that he believes that Ray is going to Bama & conliffe is still probably a vol on nsd so who knows
 
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drvenner said:
I think that I would rather have Conliffe over Palmer. I understand why they thought that they could not wait, but it's not like Palmer is going to make or break this class, either.
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Agreed. I am always looking at ol & dl over skill positions.
 
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Magic8Vol said:
Having a near full class days b4 nsd is NOT backing urself into a corner is called doing your job. We both agree that conliffe should be the take here. But if hes nit willing to say yes days before msd & another player is then would u really want butch to pass on another position of need on the chance of losing out on both?

I think we are much closer on this issue than it may seem. I would much rather have another dt than wr. I think butch would too but clearly w 28 committed already, days b4 nsd, tough decisions have to be made. conliffe not being decided puts butch in a no win situation. Rivals guy on football futures said this morning that he believes that Ray is going to Bama & conliffe is still probably a vol on nsd so who knows
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You wait for make or break players and Conliffe is not one of those.
 
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