'18 GA QB Trevor Lawrence

[Orange And Garnet]

You people are thinking too hard. The solution is simple. Win the east this year and these recruiting "problems" will disappear

 

[Evol]

Hey you guys remember last year when we had HJ and Tee Higgins committed and TL was thought to be a Vol lock? Those were fun times huh

 

[JCLawyerVol]

Has nothing to do with Smart and everything to do with Chaney. He doesn't want to play in our offense. If we ran a normal pro style he would be a Vol.

Really? Because this is his direct quote when talking about Clemson's offense:

"They are telling me with my athletic ability, I am not a runner, but I can run the spread offense. I can use my feet to get out of the pocket when needed.”

 

[Greysondawg]

I would rather him go to Clemson over UGA.

Are you sure about that? If Lawrence goes to Clemson, Georgia becomes an immediate threat to land Emory Jones who has indicated a desire of playing closer to home if the right opportunity presented itself.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Eason is going to start as a true freshman and TL will be a JR in high school this year. The 3 year math doesn't work. JG will redshirt so he would have to beat him out or play only 1 year. Agree that HJ isn't on the same level. UGA and Clemson have obviously done a better job recruiting and developing the relationship. Looks like we threw the towell in early here to me.

He can play in any of those systems. Which will prepare him more for the next level and which can protect him the best. Very athletic kid. Most folks don't believe how athletic he is until they see him play live.

Your right..brain fart, for some reason I was thinking next year.

 

[volfan102455]

It may be time for Jones to ponder a philosophical change and go to more of a pro style attack that features a drop back, pocket passer. He is having too much trouble recruiting to this system right now. We look handcuffed to it...

You do NOT, repeat do NOT change your offense to obtain a recruit. That is insane. If a coach does that, that coach is sacrificing the success of the current team for a recruit that may not pan out, may incur a career ending injury, may go elsewhere anyway, etc.

So all of you who are saying this which would you rather see happen?

- Current offense maintained that the current players know, understand and are experienced at which should lead to a great 10+ win season.

- New offense introduced followed by losses while the experienced returning players learn new offense.

I can guarantee you that all of you calling for a new offense would call for Coach Jones' job is he changed the offense and lost games as a result. You would be pointing out the plays where Dobbs could have gained significant yards but did not do so because he was suppose to "stay in the pocket" and did. You would be complaining about the lack of times the ball was given to Hurd to run, etc.

 

[Orange And Garnet]

You do NOT, repeat do NOT change your offense to obtain a recruit. That is insane. If a coach does that, that coach is sacrificing the success of the current team for a recruit that may not pan out, may incur a career ending injury, may go elsewhere anyway, etc.

So all of you who are saying this which would you rather see happen?

- Current offense maintained that the current players know, understand and are experienced at which should lead to a great 10+ win season.

- New offense introduced followed by losses while the experienced returning players learn new offense.

I can guarantee you that all of you calling for a new offense would call for Coach Jones' job is he changed the offense and lost games as a result. You would be pointing out the plays where Dobbs could have gained significant yards but did not do so because he was suppose to "stay in the pocket" and did. You would be complaining about the lack of times the ball was given to Hurd to run, etc.

Yep

 

[volfan102455]

Interesting comparison for those of you who want the offense changed:

1998 (You know the year - the last time UT won a national championship)

- Percentage plays that were runs: 65.3% for 2,543 yards
- Percentage plays that were passes: 34.7% for 2,221 years
- Yards per play average: 6.02

2015 (For comparison)

- Percentage plays that were runs: 62.4% for 2,908 yards
- Percentage plays that were passes: 37.6% for 2,582 yards
- Yards per play average: 5.56

You run the offense that gives your team the best chance to win games. In 1998 that was a run oriented offense. In 2015 and in 2016 with the personnel on team 120 that is a run oriented offense.

 

[SSVol]

Interesting comparison for those of you who want the offense changed:

1998 (You know the year - the last time UT won a national championship)

- Percentage plays that were runs: 65.3% for 2,543 yards
- Percentage plays that were passes: 34.7% for 2,221 years
- Yards per play average: 6.02

2015 (For comparison)

- Percentage plays that were runs: 62.4% for 2,908 yards
- Percentage plays that were passes: 37.6% for 2,582 yards
- Yards per play average: 5.56

You run the offense that gives your team the best chance to win games. In 1998 that was a run oriented offense. In 2015 and in 2016 with the personnel on team 120 that is a run oriented offense.

So what you're saying is that defense wins championships?

 

[Orange And Garnet]

So what you're saying is that defense wins championships?

Defense and a strong running game.

 

[volfan102455]

So what you're saying is that defense wins championships?

It takes both an offense and defense that compliment each other to win games. One could argue that if the defense held their own in 2014, at least 3 of those losses could have been wins.

Interestingly enough though if you look at the defensive stats for 1996 and 1997, they were worse than 1998 BUT the offense numbers were significantly higher. And the defense in 1999 has better stats but the team lost 3 games.

My point is that some believe you can't win championships with a run oriented offense. That is just not true.

 

[JacketVol]

Interesting comparison for those of you who want the offense changed:

1998 (You know the year - the last time UT won a national championship)

- Percentage plays that were runs: 65.3% for 2,543 yards
- Percentage plays that were passes: 34.7% for 2,221 years
- Yards per play average: 6.02

2015 (For comparison)

- Percentage plays that were runs: 62.4% for 2,908 yards
- Percentage plays that were passes: 37.6% for 2,582 yards
- Yards per play average: 5.56

You run the offense that gives your team the best chance to win games. In 1998 that was a run oriented offense. In 2015 and in 2016 with the personnel on team 120 that is a run oriented offense.

Great post. Thanks for the info.

 

[m1al]

Butch won't make wholesale changes in the offense and he DOES NOT need to. The whole idea of doing that for a recruit is just stupid!

If we win big this year followed by Dormady (QD and TL being similar in style) showing out next year, then it should be all the evidence TL needs to see he can definitely succeed in this offense.

Lonnng way to go till signing day, 2018...

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

There doesn't need to be a huge change. I'd just like to see the QB run about half as much as Dobbs does. Instead of 10-15 carries a game, maybe 5-6. Dobbs carried it maybe 20-25 times vs USCe. 60-80 more passes a year would be significant for WR production and recruiting. Just about any QB who is a decent athlete can keep it 5-6 times a game to keep the defense honest.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Defense and a strong running game.

Thats what Alabama is built on

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

There doesn't need to be a huge change. I'd just like to see the QB run about half as much as Dobbs does. Instead of 10-15 carries a game, maybe 5-6. Dobbs carried it maybe 20-25 times vs USCe. 60-80 more passes a year would be significant for WR production and recruiting. Just about any QB who is a decent athlete can keep it 5-6 times a game to keep the defense honest.

Agree with this as well. I am not a fan of designed QB runs in general. I would much rather Dobbs run it less or only when he HAS to.

 

[Orange And Garnet]

Thats what Alabama is built on

Yeah really. They've gone to the national title with two QB's that were average

 

[amavol2]

Interesting comparison for those of you who want the offense changed:

1998 (You know the year - the last time UT won a national championship)

- Percentage plays that were runs: 65.3% for 2,543 yards
- Percentage plays that were passes: 34.7% for 2,221 years
Looks like the yardage was pretty balanced
- Yards per play average: 6.02

2015 (For comparison)

- Percentage plays that were runs: 62.4% for 2,908 yards
- Percentage plays that were passes: 37.6% for 2,582 yards
- Yards per play average: 5.56

You run the offense that gives your team the best chance to win games. In 1998 that was a run oriented offense. In 2015 and in 2016 with the personnel on team 120 that is a run oriented offense.

Looks like yardage was pretty balanced in1998, rushing yards about 20 yards more per game.

 

[Kristy*]

Dobbs runs more than what is designed. He misreads the option some , keeping when he shouldn't. He also gives up on passing plays too early and doesn't see the field well. I think the coaches probably wouldn't harp on it too much because he's a great athlete and leader and makes plays his way. They don't need him to lose any confidence. I guess my opinion is that it is less by design and more by QB. And that's okay for this year. And it will look much different with a different QB next year. No strategy change needed.

 

[McGeesPub]

Are you sure about that? If Lawrence goes to Clemson, Georgia becomes an immediate threat to land Emory Jones who has indicated a desire of playing closer to home if the right opportunity presented itself.

Almost hope that happens. If Chaney coached a DT QB, hilarity would ensue.

 

[overseasorange2]

Hey you guys remember last year when we had HJ and Tee Higgins committed and TL was thought to be a Vol lock? Those were fun times huh

Exactly, and that is why this recruiting season has been disappointing thus far. Seems we are going backwards. And there is GOOD reason for concern.:loco:

 

[butchna]

Exactly, and that is why this recruiting season has been disappointing thus far. Seems we are going backwards. And there is GOOD reason for concern.:loco:

So you're concerned, then what?

 

[overseasorange2]

So you're concerned, then what?

I am going to call Butch...What else?

PS....just wondering...Are u or were u in the oil biz?

 

[volfan102455]

Looks like yardage was pretty balanced in1998, rushing yards about 20 yards more per game.

If you look at total yardage there is a good balance for both years. The stat of importance is how often the call was a run verses a pass.

 

[volfan102455]

Dobbs runs more than what is designed. He misreads the option some , keeping when he shouldn't. He also gives up on passing plays too early and doesn't see the field well. I think the coaches probably wouldn't harp on it too much because he's a great athlete and leader and makes plays his way. They don't need him to lose any confidence. I guess my opinion is that it is less by design and more by QB. And that's okay for this year. And it will look much different with a different QB next year. No strategy change needed.

I'm not sure about this. Unless we know the play that was actually called and what the options off that play were and when the options should be executed - I'm not sure we can say that he runs more than designed or keeps more than he should.

What we can agree on is that he is able to make a play out of nothing. And IMO, that ability keeps the other teams defense on their toes. With a pocket passer who will 99.9% of the time throw the ball away or take the sack, there is no threat like that so if the pass play is a bust it normally stays a bust.