'18 TN OT Max Wray

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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Depends on the situation. Slow playing a top 50 type talent like Wray isn't really the same as slow playing say a top 500 talent like Trey Coleman. One might play out in your favor. One likely won't.
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Wray wasn't ranked at the time of this supposed slow play. It's beyond silly to call it slow playing to offer a kid before his junior year. Parents expectations a bit too high if you ask me. Slow playing is waiting until close to NSD Of their signing class. I just find it amazing that all of a sudden offering a kid before his junior year is slow playing. That is what is wrong with this recruiting game now. Coaches can't afford to watch kids develop over time anymore. If you don't offer them in 9th grade they think you slow played them. Lame azz guessing game and hope your right now
 
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de1conley said:
1st and foremost al Buck owes UT was a fulfillment of his UT educational scholarship. 2nd all your gay perception was caused by a coach using stupidity in recruitment and being a snake. 3rd lets go on the record and check what has come to UT under the NPA umbrella: 1. Eric Gordon, 2. James Stone, 3. Antonio Richardson, 4. Mike Sawyers, 5. Jalen R-Maybin, 6. Josh Malone, 7. Jack Jones, 8 Kyle Phillips, 9. Gaulden, 10. helped them with Barnett, 11. Justin Martin 12. Bumphus
13. Vincent Perry need I go on any more.
Last there is no whining on our end we do what we do to help but we owe nobody anything. It's what is best for the kids and their decision. Some of you want to make false claims but the proof is listed above. so I'll drop the mic and walk on off. Stay in your lane Sanddune.
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Lol. Gay perception? You mean like thinking you're a 'real man' because you coach kiddy football? Saying things like 'mic drop' because in that pea brain of yours you feel you proved something? My lane is wherever I want it to be. And right now it goes straight through your dumbass rhetoric. If Buck feels the way you described he's an ungrateful sob. If he didn't, maybe he can upgrade in the character department and find your replacement. And out of that list, several of those kids were recruited by a different staff, several couldn't hack it in college, and only a handful have made a meaningful contribution and were recruited by this staff. Sounds to me you think you and others like you know how to run UTs program better than the coaches. Maybe they told guys like you to stay in your lane, and that's were the butthurt began. Pick up your mic, you dropped something.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Wray wasn't ranked at the time of this supposed slow play. It's beyond silly to call it slow playing to offer a kid before his junior year. Parents expectations a bit too high if you ask me. Slow playing is waiting until close to NSD Of their signing class. I just find it amazing that all of a sudden offering a kid before his junior year is slow playing. That is what is wrong with this recruiting game now. Coaches can't afford to watch kids develop over time anymore. If you don't offer them in 9th grade they think you slow played them. Lame azz guessing game and hope your right now
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My understanding is our staff is some of the best evaluators in the business. Even if he wasn't rated by the services top 50 that day, I'd think our staff would have seen the talent there. Obviously other top programs did. The UT offer came shortly after. Kids instate. #1 priority for early evals IMO. Or should be anyway.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
My understanding is our staff is some of the best evaluators in the business. Even if he wasn't rated by the services top 50 that day, I'd think our staff would have seen the talent there. Obviously other top programs did. The UT offer came shortly after. Kids instate. #1 priority for early evals IMO. Or should be anyway.
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Why dont you pretend the kid is from GA then you will cease to care.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Depends on the situation. Slow playing a top 50 type talent like Wray isn't really the same as slow playing say a top 500 talent like Trey Coleman. One might play out in your favor. One likely won't.
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Georgia offered on Jan 21
Tennessee offered a drudging 11 days later on Feb 1
 
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bignewt said:
Why dont you pretend the kid is from GA then you will cease to care.
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I agree!


No offense, but simply look at the photo. Max appears to be a bean pole. Lean frame. Droopy shoulders. Thin neck. At first glance, not much muscle apparent. Barnett would toss him up into the 8th row.




I can understand how the Vols coaches could overlook Max at first. Does he look like a # 3 prospect to you?
 

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If we in fact end up getting trey smith and cade mays after drew Richmond is starting at left tackle this year, Jashon and Jack in there also, do me a favor and explain what the problem is. Instate,all of them.
 
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ITT


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Nashvegas31 said:
Wray wasn't ranked at the time of this supposed slow play. It's beyond silly to call it slow playing to offer a kid before his junior year. Parents expectations a bit too high if you ask me. Slow playing is waiting until close to NSD Of their signing class. I just find it amazing that all of a sudden offering a kid before his junior year is slow playing. That is what is wrong with this recruiting game now. Coaches can't afford to watch kids develop over time anymore. If you don't offer them in 9th grade they think you slow played them. Lame azz guessing game and hope your right now
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Coaches can't win for losing nowadays. You offer early, kid commits, then doesn't develop the way the coaches wanted, so they pull his offer. People whine and complain that the coaches gave him a gitshirt and lack honor and integrity. Same coaches don't offer the kid because they want to see him develop...someone whines, including prospect, that they feel slighted and should have offered earlier, and the kid goes elsewhere. In all for the early offers with conditions placed on the offer, including developing to their potential through their senior year.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
My understanding is our staff is some of the best evaluators in the business. Even if he wasn't rated by the services top 50 that day, I'd think our staff would have seen the talent there. Obviously other top programs did. The UT offer came shortly after. Kids instate. #1 priority for early evals IMO. Or should be anyway.
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In state schools have to make sure they are right on instate kids cuz they can't pull offer back. Out of state is different story. I'd rather take time and be right the first time
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
It's not like they waited until his senior yr to offer him. Amazing how people can be so mad that we weren't the first offer. Sound like BS hiding the fact that people recommended he play for Pittman and not mahoney
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Agreed. The whole offer thing is a bunch of BS. Two weeks apart for a junior to be, really? Now if Tennessee didn't bother recruiting him before then and did a poor job developing a relationship with him up until that point, it's a whole different story...
 
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de1conley said:
Then there is the fact that he felt the OL coach was really bad while sitting in a position meeting and the DeBorg comes in and takes over to correct things. I'm just stating facts
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, IMO Mahoney is the weak link on this staff, by a LOT. It's no coincidence DeBord arrived, moved Coleman Thomas to Center, and the OL play improved greatly last season.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, IMO Mahoney is the weak link on this staff, by a LOT. It's no coincidence DeBord arrived, moved Coleman Thomas to Center, and the OL play improved greatly last season.
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DeBord needs to move to O-line coach, and Butch should hire an OC with a QB background IMO. Regardless who the OC is, they are going to run Butch's system.
 
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sanddune50 said:
DeBord needs to move to O-line coach, and Butch should hire an OC with a QB background IMO. Regardless who the OC is, they are going to run Butch's system.
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I agree completely, or at the least let DeBord/Scott share the OL duties while he remains OC and bring in a QB coach. I've said it before, I'll be surprised if they land any highly rated OL prospects in the mid-state with the current set up unless these kids just grow up total die hard Vol fans (Jones/Johnson), which is NOT the norm. And this is not a shot directed at all towards the NPA guys. IMO UT just needs an upgrade at OL from a coaching, recruiting, and relationship/personality standpoint.
 
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sanddune50 said:
DeBord needs to move to O-line coach, and Butch should hire an OC with a QB background IMO. Regardless who the OC is, they are going to run Butch's system.
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Montrell Hardy said:
I agree completely, or at the least let DeBord/Scott share the OL duties while he remains OC and bring in a QB coach. I've said it before, I'll be surprised if they land any highly rated OL prospects in the mid-state with the current set up unless these kids just grow up total die hard Vol fans (Jones/Johnson), which is NOT the norm. And this is not a shot directed at all towards the NPA guys. IMO UT just needs an upgrade at OL from a coaching, recruiting, and relationship/personality standpoint.
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sanddune50 said:
DeBord needs to move to O-line coach, and Butch should hire an OC with a QB background IMO. Regardless who the OC is, they are going to run Butch's system.
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Excuse me, but did somebody say they needed an OC with a QB background?
 

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