19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

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luthervol said:
I have no idea. I would assume he must have.

Now what don't you answer the question I asked.
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If he passed a background check and purchased the gun through legal channels then yes. If there was a failure in the process it wasn’t on him. Should gun dealers be able to profile certain buyers?
 
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OHvol40 said:
I voted for him in the general, but he was my last choice in the primary… but let’s not devolve a good philosophical debate into a conclusion that I’m wrong based on your political partisanship.
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Ok, you didn’t think Biden was fit for office in the primary (Bernie voter?) yet you voted for him in the general? A responsible vote would have been at the minimum a write in of someone you felt would do the best job. As long as people keep voting like you do the candidates in the general will keep getting worse.
 
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luthervol said:
But do you think a person who has made threats to shoot up a school should be allowed to purchase a gun?
Do you think a person who threatens to intentionally vote for the worst candidate should be allowed to vote?
Do you see more circumstances which would be legitimate reasons to deny a person the right to purchase a gun than you do for denying a person the right to vote?
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That’s one of the major issues I have with how fishy this smells. The kid was arrested at 14 for saying he was going to shoot up a school when he turned 18. He turns 18 and shows up at a gun store to buy not one but 2 DD AR15s (4K), 1000 + rounds of ammo(750+) and body armor(250+) . That’s a minimum of 5k and closer to 5500 on a part time job at Wendy’s. This is all from the story I’ve gotten on HIM. But then you got the scene. Conflicting reports of how much time he was outside before entering the school. Cops standing down and no one seems to have the story straight of what actually happened. If so this is true:

-How was he able to buy the guns at 18 with an arrest report on him 4 years prior for threats to shoot up a school? Expunged does not mean dissolved. It just means a “standard” background check wouldn’t see it.

-Where did he get the 5+k? I don’t want to hear he saved. We were all once 18 and I bet none of us had 5 k to throw around at that age.

- He wasn’t trying to hide it. Posted about it multiple times on social media. Here we are never been arrested for mass shooting threats and getting thrown in FB jail for “misinformation” but this guy makes threats and no one notices? 🤔

Something ain’t right and I don’t agree with you often but you’re right. He should’ve never been able to buy those guns for a few different reasons.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
How did Facebook and the FBI just “miss the boat” on this kid?
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Mrs wireless was just now on Facebook, as we verbally discussed sinks for our new home, a sink ad pops up on Facebook, Facebook knew the shooter’s discussions
C-south said:
Go post something disparaging about Covid or the 2020 election. Screenshot an ammo can and post it on marketplace. They react in the blink of an eye to that s***.
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i wonder if Facebook evaluated his conversations and sent him a Daniel AR ad?
 
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luthervol said:
Should he have been allowed to purchase guns?
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Did he have anything on his record that would have prevented him from buying one? More questions. How did he afford them? Where did he buy them?

If there was something on his record that should have prevented him from buying a gun then no.
 
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give_him 6 said:
UPDATE: Synopsis of Press Conference

School Shooting Press Conference: 11:31 patrol car drives by funeral home. 11:33 suspect enters school and begins shooting 100 rounds into room 111 and 112. 11:35 - 3 police officers enter school followed by 3 more and a sheriff (7 officers). Went to door and received wounds from suspect. 11:37 more gunfire; 11:51 - US Border Patrol agents arrive; 12:03 officers continue to arrive in hallway (19 offices in hallway; 12:15 BORTAC officers arrive with shields / 12:21 - suspect fired again from door; 12:21 law enforcement moved down hallway; 12:50 - law enforcement used keys from janitor and killed suspect.

UPDATE
Additional information - 58 total magazines at the crime scene; 11 inside the school; 3 on the suspects body; 2 in room 112; 6 inside room 111; 5 were on the ground; 1 was in the rifle; 32 magazines outside the school (31 in suspects backpack that he did not take inside classroom/1 just outside school building); 15 magazines at the crash site; 2 magazines at suspect's residence for a total count of 60 magazines. He purchased 1,657 total rounds of ammunition. 315 rounds inside the school; 142 rounds were spent cartridges; 173 were live rounds; 923 were outside the school; 22 spent cartridges outside the school; 900 (outside) were live rounds; 422 rounds at crash site; 22 were spent cartridges; 420 were live rounds; 35 total law enforcement spent cartridges in the school; 8 in hallway; 27 in classroom where suspect was killed;

Suspect posted on Facebook Messenger not on Facebook.

September 2021 - asked sister to help him buy a gun; she refused

February 28, 2022 - Instagram: group chat discussed about him being a school shooter

March 1, 2022 - Instagram chat with 4 people - discussed him buying a gun

March 3, 2022 - Instagram chat with 4 people - "Word on street is you're buying a gun." Ramos: "Just bought something. RN"

March 14, 2022 - Instagram posting "10 more days" User replied "Are you going to shoot up a school or something?" Ramos: "No. Stop asking dumb questions and you'll see."
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There is no way he could have purchased that much ammo, the guns…this whole scenario stinks.
 
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C-south said:
If he passed a background check and purchased the gun through legal channels then yes. If there was a failure in the process it wasn’t on him. Should gun dealers be able to profile certain buyers?
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I should have asked the question this way, "should the system have allowed him to buy a gun"?
 
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luthervol said:
The ol' "I can't answer your question" response.
I understand your dilemma. Being forced to see shades of gray can be taxing.
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Your questions are dumb. If he hasn’t been convicted of a felony or been committed or designated as a mental defective he can buy a gun.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Did he have anything on his record that would have prevented him from buying one? More questions. How did he afford them? Where did he buy them?

If there was something on his record that should have prevented him from buying a gun then no.
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If there was nothing on his record, should there have been?

What I am getting at is, when is a threat considered severe enough to keep a person from buying a gun?
Who decides?
How long should he be kept from being able to purchase a gun?
 
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hog88 said:
Ok, you didn’t think Biden was fit for office in the primary (Bernie voter?) yet you voted for him in the general? A responsible vote would have been at the minimum a write in of someone you felt would do the best job. As long as people keep voting like you do the candidates in the general will keep getting worse.
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Not a Bernie voter, but keep guessing lol.

Ok, now you’ve completely steered away from a decent discussion in favor of a very boring, one-sided “you voted for an idiot” rant. If the intelligible banter has ceased for now, I’ll retire for the night. Have a good one!
 
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hog88 said:
Your questions are dumb. If he hasn’t been convicted of a felony or been committed or designated as a mental defective he can buy a gun.
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Then your answer is yes, he should have been allowed.
Why overcomplicate everything?
 
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davethevol said:
There was a book written in the 80’s by a guy who claimed he was a former military intelligence officer. He made the claim that the CIA wanted disarm Americans, and how they would do that is through mass school shootings. So he made this claim way before anything like Columbine took place. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory anymore.
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I was reading him last night, it’s called the pale horseman.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Not a Bernie voter, but keep guessing lol.

Ok, now you’ve completely steered away from a decent discussion in favor of a very boring, one-sided “you voted for an idiot” rant. If the intelligible banter has ceased for now, I’ll retire for the night. Have a good one!
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Have a good night and Go Vols.
 
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1vol8 said:
0 tolerance would mean someone at some point just didn’t teach you a lesson given the fact we all run into people we see as foolish every single day. We tend to refer to them as democrats. But I personally don’t approach said democrats with hostility like you do on here for the right wing. That being said I assume you wouldn’t approach someone in a American flag t shirt with said hostility either. So I’m calling BS.
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Yeah, you've been a real peach with anyone who disagrees with you in this thread.

My advice would be to ease up on the testosterone supplements and crack open a book.
 
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