19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

[C-south]

Should the system have allowed him to buy a gun?
Why are you scared to answer? Never mind, I know.

Because as usual you ask a moronic question after the fact.

 

[luthervol]

Yes, that is the law.

There seem to be a number of people on here talking about how the system failed as if the system should have blocked him from purchasing a gun.
You seem to be disagreeing. You think the system worked as it should which allowed him to legally purchase a gun.

 

[hog88]

There seem to be a number of people on here talking about how the system failed as if the system should have blocked him from purchasing a gun.
You seem to be disagreeing. You think the system worked as it should which allowed him to legally purchase a gun.

The system worked as it should per the law.

 

[luthervol]

Because as usual you ask a moronic question after the fact.

So still not answering.

 

[C-south]

So still not answering.

Are you that stupid? It’s been answered multiple times.

 

[luthervol]

Are you that stupid? It’s been answered multiple times.

I guess I am because I don't recall seeing you answer it at all.
Refresh my feeble memory.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

the teacher leaving the door cracked open…do not understand.

Lot of criticism on here about the cops and I didn’t buy it. Because it just didn’t compute to me. I see it now but it still doesn’t compute to me. Do not understand.

It was awards day, they propped the door open to the visitors parking lot. It was a crucial error.

 

[C-south]

I guess I am because I don't recall seeing you answer it at all.
Refresh my feeble memory.

I’ve seen multiple people answer and say yes. He passed the background check and checked all the boxes. You’re trying to live in a hindsight world. Imagine the laws we could instill and rights we could take away if we did that.

 

[luthervol]

I’ve seen multiple people answer and say yes. He passed the background check and checked all the boxes. You’re trying to live in a hindsight world. Imagine the laws we could instill and rights we could take away if we did that.

And I've seen multiple people answer no. I was asking for your answer. But never mind,

 

[NurseGoodVol]

When we overly focus on the rights of the individual, we get to where we are today.
I figured all of the "there are only two genders" people would understand that there must be a balance.

I often wonder where your personal boundaries are as an individual since you so often speak of society and the greater good?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Then your answer is yes, he should have been allowed.
Why overcomplicate everything?

I’m laughing loudly at the irony of you asking someone not to complicate things, you are the king of overcomplicating things. Whew that’s funny.

 

[luthervol]

I often wonder where your personal boundaries are as an individual since you so often speak of society and the greater good?

Where my personal boundaries are? I've always done pretty much whatever I wanted to do. Broken a lot of laws but none at the expense of others.
One moral filter I like to use is this: "if more people did it, would the world be a better place, a worse place, or would it have no impact?"

 

[davethevol]

The only books by that title I can find are sci-fi fiction. You happen to remember the author?

Edit: found it Beyond a Pale Horse is the title by Milton Cooper

I know some (or most) of his topics were pretty out there, but I really think he knew there was a plan in place with regards to school shootings.

Some of Cooper’s best‐known predictions appear in Behold a Pale Horse, which runs a densely typed 500 pages. Eight years before the Trench Coat Mafia murders at Columbine High School, Cooper wrote: “The sharp increase of prescriptions of psychoactive drugs like Prozac and Ritalin to younger and younger children will inevitably lead to a rash of horrific school shootings.” These incidents, he said, “will be used by elements of the federal government as an excuse to infringe upon the citizenry’s Second Amendment rights.”

 

[BowlBrother85]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott Praises Police, Says Uvalde Shooting 'Could Have Been Worse'

^^^ Abbott's initial press conference, has already proven to have been one lie after another. ^^^

 

[clarksvol00]

I know some (or most) of his topics were pretty out there, but I really think he knew there was a plan in place with regards to school shootings.

Some of Cooper’s best‐known predictions appear in Behold a Pale Horse, which runs a densely typed 500 pages. Eight years before the Trench Coat Mafia murders at Columbine High School, Cooper wrote: “The sharp increase of prescriptions of psychoactive drugs like Prozac and Ritalin to younger and younger children will inevitably lead to a rash of horrific school shootings.” These incidents, he said, “will be used by elements of the federal government as an excuse to infringe upon the citizenry’s Second Amendment rights.”

I'm not trying to wade into the gun control debate, but im curious about one thing. I've seen several comments on here about overmedicating children being part of the cause of this. Is there any statistical data being relied upon for these assertions? Do we know how many of theses shooters were on Prozac or Ritalin or whatever other drug is supposedly causing these kids to go so wrong?

 

[hog88]

I'm not trying to wade into the gun control debate, but im curious about one thing. I've seen several comments on here about overmedicating children being part of the cause of this. Is there any statistical data being relied upon for these assertions? Do we know how many of theses shooters were on Prozac or Ritalin or whatever other drug is supposedly causing these kids to go so wrong?

I‘ve seen the theory posed several times in various articles but no hard data. I think it’s a subject that’s taboo to study and if studied the results are being withheld.

 

[OHvol40]

I’ve seen multiple people answer and say yes. He passed the background check and checked all the boxes. You’re trying to live in a hindsight world. Imagine the laws we could instill and rights we could take away if we did that.

Isn’t the essence of problem-solving, in fact, living “in a hindsight world?”

 

[BowlBrother85]

I'm not trying to wade into the gun control debate, but im curious about one thing. I've seen several comments on here about overmedicating children being part of the cause of this. Is there any statistical data being relied upon for these assertions? Do we know how many of theses shooters were on Prozac or Ritalin or whatever other drug is supposedly causing these kids to go so wrong?

An Uncomfortable Truth: A Look at the Corresponding Rise of Antidepressants, SSRIs, and Mass Shootings

Due to privacy laws, it is mostly left open to speculation unless the families of the shooters want to publicly disclose what, if any, medication the perpetrator was taking. One of the Columbine killers, Eric Harris, had taken Zoloft. The Aurora, Colorado movie shooter, James Holmes, was taking a variety of things... but for the most part, it's just guesswork, and making correlations - which don't always fit.

Posters on forums such as this prefer to blame the over-prescribing of psychotropic drugs, because it fits very neatly into an already existing belief system.

 

[YankeeVol]

I'm not trying to wade into the gun control debate, but im curious about one thing. I've seen several comments on here about overmedicating children being part of the cause of this. Is there any statistical data being relied upon for these assertions? Do we know how many of theses shooters were on Prozac or Ritalin or whatever other drug is supposedly causing these kids to go so wrong?

I don't know if this kid was medicated, but he was obviously mentally defective.

 

[MemphisVol77]

because it fits very neatly into an already existing belief system.

I'm not saying you're wrong, because I don't know.

That critique goes both ways though.

 

[evillawyer]

Yep. Damn accurate

 

[OHvol40]

An Uncomfortable Truth: A Look at the Corresponding Rise of Antidepressants, SSRIs, and Mass Shootings

Due to privacy laws, it is mostly left open to speculation unless the families of the shooters want to publicly disclose what, if any, medication the perpetrator was taking. One of the Columbine killers, Eric Harris, had taken Zoloft. The Aurora, Colorado movie shooter, James Holmes, was taking a variety of things... but for the most part, it's just guesswork, and making correlations - which don't always fit.

Posters on forums such as this prefer to blame the over-prescribing of psychotropic drugs, because it fits very neatly into an already existing belief system.

No too neatly.

“We have a mental health problem”
*seeks help*
“You’re over-medicated”

 

[joevol33]

Yep. Damn accurate

Yet oddly, they mostly happen during a democratic presidency .

 

[evillawyer]

Yet oddly, they mostly happen during a democratic presidency .

Ye of goldfish-level memory:

In November 2017, 26 people were killed at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

In February 2018, 17 people were killed at a high school in Parkland, Florida.

In May 2018, 10 people were killed at a high school in Santa Fe, Texas.

In October 2018, 11 people were killed at a synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

In November 2018, 12 people were killed at a restaurant in Thousand Oaks, California.

In May 2019, 12 people were shot and killed at an office building in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

In August 2019, 22 people were killed at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas.

 

[BowlBrother85]

No too neatly.

“We have a mental health problem”
*seeks help*
“You’re over-medicated”

Psychiatric meds represent big $$$ for pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and Eli Lilly. I can easily believe that they are being over-prescribed, but there isn't any data to definitively link them to mass shootings.