19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

[allvol123]

You could be right, IDK but I just find it highly unlikely.

Someone will tell us at some point.

 

[luthervol]

And y'all want to take away civilians guns and leave them to the cops and criminals.

Who ever said they want to take away civilians guns? I've never heard anyone say it. I certainly have never and would never say it.

 

[hog88]

He was in a barricaded room, steel door, concrete walls. They had to get a key just to get in. It isn’t as simple as people believe.

Should the police have just riddled the walls with shots, with kids on the other side?

The shooter managed to get in with ease. He got in through at least 2 doors that were supposed to be locked and past an SRO that never fired.

 

[hog88]

Someone will tell us at some point.

Our press isn't going to ask.

 

[luthervol]

He was in a barricaded room, steel door, concrete walls. They had to get a key just to get in. It isn’t as simple as people believe.

Should the police have just riddled the walls with shots, with kids on the other side?

They should have walked (maybe jogged) to the office and gotten a key.
If he was barricaded in, I guess it means the rest of the school was safe.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

For the "just arm the teachers" crowd. Even the cops who were there when it started couldn't or wouldn't take decisive quick action.

It takes a tremendous amount of nerve to run towards gunfire. It’s when I learned what “Terror Piss” is, and why it’s unstoppable.

Some can do it, and some hesitate because their OODA loop has been broken. I get it. But they (we) have that duty to go in harm’s way. Comes with the oath.

Pure evil, that was.

 

[theFallGuy]

How did he pay for the 4 door late model truck?

pretty sure that was his grandmother's he stole

 

[allvol123]

The shooter managed to get in with ease. He got in through at least 2 doors that were supposed to be locked and past an SRO that never fired.

The WSJ account I read said he exchanged fire with the SRO before entering.

Also, don’t know what you’re replying concerning my reply. Once you have established position in a room with one entry/exit, barricaded and locked it, it is not a simple task to overtake the position with hostages on the other side.

 

[508mikey]

They should have walked (maybe jogged) to the office and gotten a key.
If he was barricaded in, I guess it means the rest of the school was safe.

That shooter should never have gotten in Poor security is on the school adm

 

[luthervol]

Agreed. We must go much deeper into the root causes of these incidents.

The root cause of evil? I think mankind has been looking into that for about 10,000 years.
But I do agree.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Tennessee’s crime and homelessness rate center around drug use too. Weird

Most homeless are drug users.

Most drug users aren't homeless.

Next.

 

[allvol123]

Our press isn't going to ask.

Internet people found the Boston bomber. The info will come out.

 

[hog88]

The WSJ account I read said he exchanged fire with the SRO before entering.

Also, don’t know what you’re replying concerning my reply. Once you have established position in a room with one entry/exit, barricaded and locked it, it is not a simple task to overtake the position with hostages on the other side.

Correct, it's not easy but it took them 30 minutes to try.

On GMA this morning they reported that the SRO did not exchange fire with him.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Jesus Christ. No one understand setting up a perimeter to secure the scene? You can’t just let anyone walk in and out if a crime scene especially an active shooter situation

C’mon, Ricky…you’ve had the same training I have. There us no perimeter at an A/S scene; that’s the old Columbine mindset. It’s “one, two, go” or “one go” if the second responder is not there within seconds. The tactical key here is confront…contain…and THEN eliminate the threat. Every second counts.

 

[davethevol]

What I don’t get is it sound like there was at least a minute or two after he fired shots outside before he was inside the classroom. Did the teachers not know to lock their doors and turn off the lights and hide the kids? Did they not have the ability to lock the doors?

 

[allvol123]

Correct, it's not easy but it took them 30 minutes to try.

I’ve not read enough to know the timeline.

The conspiratorial stuff just gets on my nerves.

One of the responding officers had a child inside(maybe even killed), I cannot remember. I can buy that a situation may have not been handled 100% correctly.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I would think they could hear shots being fired in the school. Why not go in? Is setting up a perimeter more important than stopping active killing that is happening?

I’m not defending them. I’m stating let’s hear all the information and not rely on distraught parents to claim things when no agency anywhere would let them rush in an active crime scene

 

[Dirty Vol]

As far as the 4th item is concerned :

"Seriously, folks, if we were the problem, you'd know it."

^^^^ This sentence seems dismissive of the role legal gun owners have played in the ongoing problem of shooting sprees in the United States.

Stephen Paddock bought his weapons legally—and passed multiple background checks

Stephen Paddock killed 61 people in the lot across Las Vegas Blvd from Mandalay Bay on October 1, 2017. Every single one of the 33 guns which Paddock used in the attack was purchased legally.

So about 40% of ppl in the US report a firearm within their households. That number is actually down from the late 70s when it was around 51%. There are roughly 330million ppl in the US. To make things easy to follow Let's say there are 150 million legal individuals who can purchase and own firearms in the US. We know that in the 2020 elections 156 million ppl voted. If you are a Democrat then this is a safe number to use. 150 at 40% is 60 million. If 1% of those individuals who legally own firearms decide to go batsh!t crazy and perform evil acts of violence by shooting up large groups of people you would be looking at 600 thousand mass shooting incidents. Never said there aren't bad apples in the bunch and as a gun owner one of these incidents is one to many. The sentence isnt dismissive, it's pretty accurate and You are doing what you do best by twisting it to fit your needs. Please continue to play on train tracks.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

I think the risk of the gun being misused far outweighs any potential benefit.

I’ve heard of maybe a couple of times individuals who were carrying a weapon left or lost there weapon. Returned safely

Do you have any instances where trained individuals used there weapon on a student? There are armed individuals in some school districts across the U.S.

 

[landscapingvol]

I would be willing to trade some 2nd amendment rights for an election wide ID law, immigration reform, balanced budget amendment, and restrictions on Roe vs. Wade.

 

[Ttucke11]

C’mon, Ricky…you’ve had the same training I have. There us no perimeter at an A/S scene; that’s the old Columbine mindset. It’s “one, two, go” or “one go” if the second responder is not there within seconds. The tactical key here is confront…contain…and THEN eliminate the threat. Every second counts.

Yep, went to an A/S class. We ran scenarios with sim rounds in an old, unused school. I was told by my SGT if this ever happens and you don't enter you're a coward. Loved that guy, I firmly believe he'd walk into incoming sniper fire to save somebody. However, I will say I doubt every officer has had that training.

 

[happy-go_vol]

The root cause of evil? I think mankind has been looking into that for about 10,000 years.
But I do agree.

The root of evil is easy to explain but you reject the cure.

 

[whodeycin85]

Did the Biden Admin just offer an international arms dealers release for Britney Griners release from Russia?? How does that make sense when they are pushing for weapons restrictions in the US? But we will release someone whonsupplies criminals

 

[luthervol]

I’ve heard of maybe a couple of times individuals who were carrying a weapon left or lost there weapon. Returned safely

Do you have any instances where trained individuals used there weapon on a student? There are armed individuals in some school districts across the U.S.

No. And I went back and reread your post and have no problem with it.
I was answering as if your stance was "arm all teachers".
I should have read your post more carefully.

 

[hog88]

I’m not defending them. I’m stating let’s hear all the information and not rely on distraught parents to claim things when no agency anywhere would let them rush in an active crime scene

The first officer on scene should have been inside that school within 60 seconds after arriving.