19 Year Old Dies After Denial From Transplant List For Trace THC

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LouderVol said:
I have a feeling we are about the same age and I literally never heard that weed caused cancer before you brought it up. the pro pot crowd has got to be the single greatest users of straw men. and weed doesn't have to be as bad as tobacco to be considered a carcinogen.

When things we need for survival (food, water and air) can kill us/harm us I have no idea how you can argue that something that messes with our brain chemistry is harmless.
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There are many legal things that aren't harmless. Why is marijuana being kept illegal? Other than fulfilling the agendas of the many interests profiting from the current illegal status and those that are pushing a morality agenda, why is marijuana illegal while tobacco, alcohol, and unhealthy food options are all legal? Why are opioids allowed to be prescribed at a rate that creates considerably more damage to society than legal marijuana ever could? Why is so much untaxed wealth allowed to be transferred to south of the border drug lords? Why, other than to enhance the profits of some and to give moralists control over people's life choices?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
And people that eat too much have an increased risk of being fat.

It is ridiculous that marijuana has been proven to reduce pain in patients, typically helping to reduce the quantity of prescribed, dangerous pain management alternatives (opioids), yet those needing a transplant get bumped way down the list if they have the "illicit" THC present in their system.
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Yup. And my brother in law, mentioned earlier, doesn't smoke it. He spent money on a vaping unit that uses cannabis oil that is pharmaceutical quality. With this tech you can eliminate the carcinogenic effects.

regarding addictions. Only about 9% of people that use it exhibit any kind of "addiction" and this is in varying degrees with the most severe cases being extremely rare. In that case it can be argued that the addictive issue is as much related to the person as the agent.
 
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Have there been any of those fancy research studies done that look to see what percentage of those predisposed to become addicted to something forgo opioid addiction if marijuana is available to become addicted to instead?
 
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LouderVol said:
I have a feeling we are about the same age and I literally never heard that weed caused cancer before you brought it up. the pro pot crowd has got to be the single greatest users of straw men. and weed doesn't have to be as bad as tobacco to be considered a carcinogen.

When things we need for survival (food, water and air) can kill us/harm us I have no idea how you can argue that something that messes with our brain chemistry is harmless.
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This article makes the same claim that marijuana smoke is equal to 2.5-5 cigarettes.

Everything messes with your brains chemistry.

http://drugfree.org/learn/drug-and-alcohol-news/study-says-smoking-marijuana-worse-for-lungs-than-cigarettes/
 
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Roustabout said:
Yup. And my brother in law, mentioned earlier, doesn't smoke it. He spent money on a vaping unit that uses cannabis oil that is pharmaceutical quality. With this tech you can eliminate the carcinogenic effects.

regarding addictions. Only about 9% of people that use it exhibit any kind of "addiction" and this is in varying degrees with the most severe cases being extremely rare. In that case it can be argued that the addictive issue is as much related to the person as the agent.
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And like I said earlier, you have to bend the definition of "addiction" to even make it work. You have to use the "anything that's rewarding to the brain definition".
 
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LouderVol said:
I have a feeling we are about the same age and I literally never heard that weed caused cancer before you brought it up. the pro pot crowd has got to be the single greatest users of straw men. and weed doesn't have to be as bad as tobacco to be considered a carcinogen.

When things we need for survival (food, water and air) can kill us/harm us I have no idea how you can argue that something that messes with our brain chemistry is harmless.
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This why it is important to define and describe the context of "being harmful".

Most people don't consider food, air, or water as harmful. If weed is considered harmful in the same way food, air, and water can be harmful, then it is quite useless to describe weed as "harmful" in such a context even though it can technically be correct. The same goes for "addictive" properties and weed.

People end up talking past one another in monster threads without any progress despite both sides having validity.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
There are many legal things that aren't harmless. Why is marijuana being kept illegal? Other than fulfilling the agendas of the many interests profiting from the current illegal status and those that are pushing a morality agenda, why is marijuana illegal while tobacco, alcohol, and unhealthy food options are all legal? Why are opioids allowed to be prescribed at a rate that creates considerably more damage to society than legal marijuana ever could? Why is so much untaxed wealth allowed to be transferred to south of the border drug lords? Why, other than to enhance the profits of some and to give moralists control over people's life choices?
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What does this have to do with the OP?

like I said straw men.

the opioids you mentioned are a controlled substance prescribed by doctors. I haven't heard anyone say weed shouldn't be allowed for medical uses if prescribed. This is a medical case where a bunch of things, most of them legal, and including weed, are not allowed.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Have there been any of those fancy research studies done that look to see what percentage of those predisposed to become addicted to something forgo opioid addiction if marijuana is available to become addicted to instead?
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wait what? are you asking if there have been studies on whether or not a person predisposed to being addicted can become addicted to another drug? I would assume yes, you can become addicted to a second drug instead of the first.

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LouderVol said:
What does this have to do with the OP?

like I said straw men.

the opioids you mentioned are a controlled substance prescribed by doctors. I haven't heard anyone say weed shouldn't be allowed for medical uses if prescribed. This is a medical case where a bunch of things, most of them legal, and including weed, are not allowed.
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Only two of the things listed were legal. The rest were included under all illicit drugs. Don't build your own straw men.

Plenty disagree with medical marijuana. It just got shut down in the Tn senate because Andy Holt said it was "just a bill to allow people to smoke pot".
 
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LouderVol said:
What does this have to do with the OP?

like I said straw men.

the opioids you mentioned are a controlled substance prescribed by doctors. I haven't heard anyone say weed shouldn't be allowed for medical uses if prescribed. This is a medical case where a bunch of things, most of them legal, and including weed, are not allowed.
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What it has to do with the OP is that an organ transplant was denied due to the presence of THC. Why does it matter? What if somebody needing a liver has legally prescribed THC which is therefore in their system... no liver for you! Why? Morality police? Because it's still illegal and therefore "illicit"? Common sense is that patients on waiting lists for livers, having to suffer through more unnecessary pain, could have their pain alleviated with prescribed marijuana if it was legal and not illicit (which apparently is why it trickles down to a transplant criteria agreement). For what reason, other than it's illegal, are certain people in pain being denied relief? If it's not illegal, it's not illicit, and it should not be in a potential organ recipient's contract with those controlling the distribution of available replacement body parts. HOW DOES THC **** up a transplant? Smoke for a potential lung recipient, sure... makes perfect sense to move them down the list. But the OP indicates the denial was due to a positive test for THC, not smoke. The moralists and prohibition profiteers are causing unnecessary suffering by some patients.
 
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You can't separate the two. Marijuana isn't legal. People and society have more problems than are necessary... including denied transplants due to THC being in the patient's system. Why should a transplant be denied because of a positive check for THC?
 
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LouderVol said:
wait what? are you asking if there have been studies on whether or not a person predisposed to being addicted can become addicted to another drug? I would assume yes, you can become addicted to a second drug instead of the first.

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No, not a second addiction. Asking if anybody would dare look for a correlation of prescribed, controlled marijuana use and a reduction of opioid addiction in any of the subjects. It'd be one of them thar longitudinal studies. Give em more reefers... see if anyuns not as likely to become addicted to something worse.
 
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In my opinion, if marijuana was legal in every state and nobody went to jail for anything marijuana-related, the list of things that would cross a person off the transplant list would have said something along the lines of smoking, drinking, using THC in any fashion, and any illicit drug use. People are getting caught up on semantics and building entire arguments, when it clearly is just an argument about the wording. I can't see a way that the list would suddenly allow weed just because it was legalized, if cigs and liquor are still off limits.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I didn't look at the studies but I'd be interested to know if the marijuana users that developed mental health abnormalities had a history with those other drugs you mentioned too or whether they strictly used marijuana.
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Absolutely! Some of these mental disorders including schizophrenia don't even present themselves until late teens into the early twenties. Under normal circumstances, not even involving drugs, doctors don't know what causes them.
 
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