19 Year Old Dies After Denial From Transplant List For Trace THC

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bignewt said:
Do you sky dive off that horse you are on?
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What does that even mean? I don't have a dog in the race, and in fact, I'm not even sure where I stand on legalization. The information I provided is accepted as medical fact and agreed on by most professionals in addiction, neurology, psychology, and psychiatry.
 
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One last note: MJ advocates would do a lot more for their case if they wouldn't go full-moron every time this topic comes up and claim that 1) all the science is marred by government conspiracy and 2) cannibis is the only neuroactive chemical on Earth capable of causing intense intoxication without having any harmful effects or addictive potential.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
One last note: MJ advocates would do a lot more for their case if they wouldn't go full-moron every time this topic comes up and claim that 1) all the science is marred by government conspiracy and 2) cannibis is the only neuroactive chemical on Earth capable of causing intense intoxication without having any harmful effects or addictive potential.
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Its predictable. Like clockwork
 
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I was under the impression that he smoked the night of Thanksgiving, then got sick after that. Then was in need of a transplant, got tested, and was denied the ability to receive a transplant because he had trace amounts of THC. Did the original article state things happened in a different order?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
One last note: MJ advocates would do a lot more for their case if they wouldn't go full-moron every time this topic comes up and claim that 1) all the science is marred by government conspiracy and 2) cannibis is the only neuroactive chemical on Earth capable of causing intense intoxication without having any harmful effects or addictive potential.
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More like an agenda than a conspiracy. Keeping it illegal benefits those employed in law enforcement as well as the incarceration, pharmaceutical, alcohol, and religion industries. Hasn't science shown that alcohol and tobacco is more harmful? Aren't prescribed pain meds creating far more chaos in civil society?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
More like an agenda than a conspiracy. Keeping it illegal benefits those employed in law enforcement as well as the incarceration, pharmaceutical, alcohol, and religion industries. Hasn't science shown that alcohol and tobacco is more harmful? Aren't prescribed pain meds creating far more chaos in civil society?
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You are missing the point. The ill effects of all the drugs you mentioned are well-documented and accepted as fact.

Once again: this is not an argument over legality or comparison. I simply presented the scientifically-accepted evidence of the potential dangers of cannabis use. One must be somewhat educated in the field of research to understand longitudinal studies, exclusion of confounding variables, and dose-response to fully comprehend the data.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Right. Someone who takes one or two more Tylenol tablets than recommended, deserves death.

You're a special person.
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Overdosing is not taking one or two more than recommended. I pray those people get help. But you took that argument and ran with it, and IMO, overdosing on OTC drugs does not compare. Overdosing on many things could kill you.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
You are missing the point. The ill effects of all the drugs you mentioned are well-documented and accepted as fact.

Once again: this is not an argument over legality or comparison. I simply presented the scientifically-accepted evidence of the potential dangers of cannabis use. One must be somewhat educated in the field of research to understand longitudinal studies, exclusion of confounding variables, and dose-response to fully comprehend the data.
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No, I'm asking why if the science has shown those other things to be more harmful... why is marijuana illegal? I'm sure that there are studies showing that caffeine and nicotine have harmful effects and addictive potential. Aren't they neuroactive chemicals as well?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Correct. Inhaling a respiratory irritant (which MJ clearly is) has been deemed a risk for transplant. Nobody with any knowledge of the subject will argue that.
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THC would also be present after ingesting edibles. So MJ isn't necessarily a respiratory irritant when consumed by methods other than inhalation.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
What does that even mean? I don't have a dog in the race, and in fact, I'm not even sure where I stand on legalization. The information I provided is accepted as medical fact and agreed on by most professionals in addiction, neurology, psychology, and psychiatry.
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Addiction, psychiatric, and psychology professionals will lose a lot of revenue when MJ is a legal drug. Just saying...
 
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kiddiedoc said:
You are missing the point. The ill effects of all the drugs you mentioned are well-documented and accepted as fact.

Once again: this is not an argument over legality or comparison. I simply presented the scientifically-accepted evidence of the potential dangers of cannabis use. One must be somewhat educated in the field of research to understand longitudinal studies, exclusion of confounding variables, and dose-response to fully comprehend the data.
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Also double-blind procedure in designing testing algorithms.
 
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LouderVol said:
if he can't meet the terms of the contract, no matter when it is signed, it will be nullified. just like most contracts.
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I feel like you're not understanding. If he used marijuana prior to signing a contract saying not to use marijuana, I have a hard time blaming the kid.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Overdosing is not taking one or two more than recommended. I pray those people get help. But you took that argument and ran with it, and IMO, overdosing on OTC drugs does not compare. Overdosing on many things could kill you.
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Lethal doses are different for everyone, and it does not take much over the recommended dose of Tylenol to kill or cause overdose
 
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kiddiedoc said:
One last note: MJ advocates would do a lot more for their case if they wouldn't go full-moron every time this topic comes up and claim that 1) all the science is marred by government conspiracy and 2) cannibis is the only neuroactive chemical on Earth capable of causing intense intoxication without having any harmful effects or addictive potential.
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After years and years of government lies about marijuana surely you understand why no one believes their claims. When I was a kid I was told it was 5x worse than tobacco when it came to cancer

And I would like for you to like something about the adverse psychological claims involving marijuana
 
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Vol8188 said:
After years and years of government lies about marijuana surely you understand why no one believes their claims. When I was a kid I was told it was 5x worse than tobacco when it came to cancer
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Two things: 1) current medical research is based on independent studies, not "their" (government) claims, and 2) I do understand the resistance to listen to the now readily-available science. However, incorrect information from the past should not cause us to refuse further education.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Don't use ILLEGAL drugs. Problem solved.
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F--- you!
My brother in law has been on pain management most of his adult life due to multiple back surgeries. No telling the damage these drugs have done to his system. Through it all he has earned a PhD, among other things. Last year he tried using marijuana as an agent to reduce his dosage of pain meds. He's been able to cut his meds by 40% and maintain the same pain levels. His plan is to progressively wean himself down or off pain meds.

Your idiotic solution would be for him to follow the law and up his dose of "legal" drugs. How about shutting your damn hole.
 
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Conversations about marijuana use on a message board is always interesting. To say the least.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Two things: 1) current medical research is based on independent studies, not "their" (government) claims, and 2) I do understand the resistance to listen to the now readily-available science. However, incorrect information from the past should not cause us to refuse further education.
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There have been studies about Marijuana, that I don't disagree with. But what most MJ advocates are talking about when they mention governments refusal to research the drug further isn't off base either. There have been plenty of out cries from research companies, research hospitals and more about the troubles with trying to research MJ effects on body/mind. They can't get funding/grants and have many other hurdles they have to go through just to try and study it. Sure, some independent studies have been done but we need more studies. MJ won't ever be legal on a federal level until research has been done. The government had a chance in the last year to schedule it to a class 2 drug. We then would have been able to do so much more research about MJ because of state/federal funding. (Funding research for a class 1 drug is extremely limited) But the government decided to keep classifying MJ with the likes of heroin, cocaine, etc. So now, very little research can be done. That is the issue that a lot of MJ advocates bring up when it comes to MJ studies.

Here is a NY Times article from January talking about the issue and the article got most of its info from "National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...nt-make-it-easier-to-study-marijuana.amp.html

My only real point is to say that we truly don't know a lot about Marijuanas effect on the body/mind and any research that has been done is so minimal it has only scratched the surface. We need more research and the governments refusal to classify MJ differently is a huge road block.
 
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