2006 Vols Biggest Surprise???

[jakez4ut]

I can agree with that . . . but he didn't exactly "crawl back to Knoxville into the arms of a benefactor". You make it sound like he drove into town in a smoking Pinto with a sign that said "Will coach for food".

:lolabove: ah comic releif...you gotta love it.

 

[hatvol96]

the story on those guys is still being written...so when we look at those guys resumes, just remember, that they had to start somewhere, and looking back on Lacewell and Tubberville now, 20 somthing years later, it's a lot easier to see the "family tree" and take it for what it really was.

I doubt back in the day, anyone at Miami would be all excited about a kid from Ark St joining the coaching staff, even under Larry Lacewell, who at the time, probably didn't have the same reuptation he does today for his football knowledge...

hindsight is always 20/20....

and i'm not saying i'm thrilled about our new additions...just that we don't know yet, they may turn out great, they may fall flat on their face...

Actually, Lacewell had already been the coordinator of the great Oklahoma defenses of the '70s. So, I'm sure Jimmy Johnson had a pretty good idea of what he was getting. Johnson had worked at OU and knew Lacewell.

 

[hatvol96]

No . . . That would make him Danny Ford.

That would be National Champion Head Coach Danny Ford to you.

 

[jakez4ut]

Actually, Lacewell had already been the coordinator of the great Oklahoma defenses of the '70s. So, I'm sure Jimmy Johnson had a pretty good idea of what he was getting. Johnson had worked at OU and knew Lacewell.

kind of like how Cut had been a coord at UT in the 90's thru one of TN's better offensive era's in it's history, and I'm sure CPF has a pretty good idea of what he's getting...? :blink:

 

[OldVol]

Maybe we should just dig up Logan Young and his billfold, prop them both up in the North Endzone, ala Ruth, Gherig (sp) in Yankee Stadium and hire Barry Switzer.

 

[orange+white=heaven]

...an overdose of quaaludes.

Well now I now what age bracket to put you in Hat. Not many remember that there ever was such a thing as a quaalude!

 

[jakez4ut]

Maybe we should just dig up Logan Young and his billfold, prop them both up in the North Endzone, ala Ruth, Gherig (sp) in Yankee Stadium and hire Barry Switzer.

if we could get away with it and go undefeated and win back to back NT's, i'd consider it?

 

[OldVol]

kind of like how Cut had been a coord at UT in the 90's thru one of TN's better offensive era's in it's history, and I'm sure CPF has a pretty good idea of what he's getting...? :blink:

Wow! This is easy, isn't it.

You can also try cutting and pasting bits and pieces, and watch the conversation.

It's like watching a dog trying to catch his tail.

 

[OldVol]

if we could get away with it and go undefeated and win back to back NT's, i'd consider it?

Now that's desperate.

 

[hatvol96]

Maybe we should just dig up Logan Young and his billfold, prop them both up in the North Endzone, ala Ruth, Gherig (sp) in Yankee Stadium and hire Barry Switzer.

Now there's a good idea. I knew you had at least one in you.

 

[GAVol]

That would be National Champion Head Coach Danny Ford to you.

I just prefer to refer to him as crooked.

 

[VolBeef88]

Really, 0 SEC titles is better than 2? That's interesting math.

Here you go hate.

CJM last 4 years =34 wins
CPF first 4 years =39 wins

It took CJM 9 years for first SEC title
It took CPF 6 years for first SEC title

In 15 years he only had 2 seasons with 10 or more wins
In 13 years CPF has had 8 seasons with 10 or more wins

So my math is correct. 39 is more than 34.

 

[jakez4ut]

Now that's desperate.

nah, it's greedy.

 

[hatvol96]

kind of like how Cut had been a coord at UT in the 90's thru one of TN's better offensive era's in it's history, and I'm sure CPF has a pretty good idea of what he's getting...? :blink:

Comparing OU's defenses in the '70s to UT's offenses in the '90s is like comparing The Beatles to the Backstreet Boys. I don't remember Cut's offenses being the lynchpin to a 28 game unbeaten streak and back to back national titles.

 

[OldVol]

nah, it's greedy.

Yeah, but prisons make me nervous. Not that I've been, but I've been by one out on Whitesbridge road.

 

[jakez4ut]

Comparing OU's defenses in the '70s to UT's offenses in the '90s is like comparing The Beatles to the Backstreet Boys. I don't remember Cut's offenses being the lynchpin to a 28 game unbeaten streak and back to back national titles.

i wasn't comparing the two units...just the rationale behind the "faith" in the hires the coordnator makes, based on the HC's knowledge of that coordnator, and his past performance.

Now, would you care to comment on that?

 

[OldVol]

Comparing OU's defenses in the '70s to UT's offenses in the '90s is like comparing The Beatles to the Backstreet Boys. I don't remember Cut's offenses being the lynchpin to a 28 game unbeaten streak and back to back national titles.

You also don't remember us being on probation, losing our prestige, and being the laughingstock of football for being the cheatingest regime in
college football history, second only to SMU.

Don't forget that little tidbit of fact.

 

[hatvol96]

Here you go hate.

CJM last 4 years =34 wins
CPF first 4 years =39 wins

It took CJM 9 years for first SEC title
It took CPF 6 years for first SEC title

In 15 years he only had 2 seasons with 10 or more wins
In 13 years CPF has had 8 seasons with 10 or more wins

So my math is correct. 39 is more than 34.

So, Boise State is now one of the elite teams in College Football. They've won a bunch of games. In Majors last 4 years, he won the SEC title twice. Fulmer, in his first four years won it 0 times. If you're more concerned about Hall of Fame Bowl Victories, etc., so be it. I'll take championships. I realize it's been so long since Fulmer won one that his minions may have forgotten what one of those is.

 

[jakez4ut]

Yeah, but prisons make me nervous. Not that I've been, but I've been by one out on Whitesbridge road.

im just a fan, free from retrobution of any illegal actions my university makes....so it ain't no skin off my back! :angel:

 

[jakez4ut]

So, Boise State is now one of the elite teams in College Football. They've won a bunch of games. In Majors last 4 years, he won the SEC title twice. Fulmer, in his first four years won it 0 times. If you're more concerned about Hall of Fame Bowl Victories, etc., so be it. I'll take championships. I realize it's been so long since Fulmer won one that his minions may have forgotten what one of those is.

i remember.... :rock:

 

[hatvol96]

You also don't remember us being on probation, losing our prestige, and being the laughingstock of football for being the cheatingest regime in
college football history, second only to SMU.

Don't forget that little tidbit of fact.

Blah, blah, rulebook, crybaby, blah, blah. Who's laughing at OU now, smart guy? Looks like their program survived all those awful National Championships Barry & Co. won. We haven't lost our prestige? We're at best the fourth or fifth best program in the SEC and the only stat we lead the nation in is arrests. Given your love for the "purity" of college sports, it would seem Carson Newman or Maryville College would be more your speed.

 

[OldVol]

im just a fan, free from retrobution of any illegal actions my university makes....so it ain't no skin off my back! :angel:

Unless you're the bag man. Just ask Logan, well, bless his memory, before he passed.

Besides, regimes like Miami's and Oklahoma's were big cheats. If Oklahoma hadn't let Barry go when they did, they'd have gotten a stiff whack from the NCAA, and Miami, well, we all know what they got.

I'd rather lose a few than to have to cheat.

In all honesty, I'd rather lose them all than to have to cheat to win a one.

What does it say about people when winning a college football game is worth their losing thier dignity, their character, and their reputation.

It is truly a sad state of affairs.

 

[OldVol]

Blah, blah, rulebook, crybaby, blah, blah. Who's laughing at OU now, smart guy? Looks like their program survived all those awful National Championships Barry & Co. won. We haven't lost our prestige? We're at best the fourth or fifth best program in the SEC and the only stat we lead the nation in is arrests. Given your love for the "purity" of college sports, it would seem Carson Newman or Maryville College would be more your speed.

See response to Jake. nuff said.

 

[hatvol96]

Yeah, but prisons make me nervous. Not that I've been, but I've been by one out on Whitesbridge road.

I love it, a Fulmer defender talking about prison. Where's Dwayne Goodrich now? How does Leonard Little spend his offseason? Where did Jam Lewis reside last summer?

 

[VolBeef88]

So, Boise State is now one of the elite teams in College Football. They've won a bunch of games. In Majors last 4 years, he won the SEC title twice. Fulmer, in his first four years won it 0 times. If you're more concerned about Hall of Fame Bowl Victories, etc., so be it. I'll take championships. I realize it's been so long since Fulmer won one that his minions may have forgotten what one of those is.

Try your diversions in court and not on me. I stated thatCPF last four years were better in that I meant more w's. CPF is not done either, not by a long shot. CJM also had 4 losing seasons and CPF only 1. And comparing BSU wins to those by any school in the SEC is a very poor attempt at diversion.

Factas:

CJM 2 SEC championships + 1 SEC 1st place tie and ZERO NC

CPF 2 SEC championships + 4 ties* and 1 National Title.




* (since we play a SECCG now east title will be called a tie as they would have before the SECG)