2011 French Open (unofficial) Thread

#105
#105
shortgameVol said:
Borg might have something to say about that. And he had tougher competition in his day too. I would also like to see assdigger try to play five sets with a heavier, smaller head racket
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Wrong and wrong.

1. Borg would tell you Rafa is better on clay
2. Borg would tell you Rafa has tougher competition.

And, regarding the second point, you never wanna go full retard.
 
#106
#106
shortgameVol said:
You mean I have to tell you. I thought you knew everything. :eek:hmy: . Excuse me, I got that wrong, it's you that thinks you know everything :birgits_giggle:

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You don't have the first clue what you're talking about. I won't further dignify this response.
 
#107
#107
I have to lay some of the blame at Fognini's feet. I think the walkover and 4.5 days between matches really blunted Djokovic's momentum. He really picked it up in the 3rd and 4th sets today, but early on he "acted" like Djokovic of the past.

He had to lose at some point. Too bad for him that it happened in the semis of the French.

Federer is playing really well, but I see no scenario under which he can beat Rafa on this surface. Well, one. He has to serve flawlessly but then to only to give himself a small chance.
 
#108
#108
DyronNix said:
I have to lay some of the blame at Fognini's feet. I think the walkover and 4.5 days between matches really blunted Djokovic's momentum. He really picked it up in the 3rd and 4th sets today, but early on he "acted" like Djokovic of the past.

He had to lose at some point. Too bad for him that it happened in the semis of the French.

Federer is playing really well, but I see no scenario under which he can beat Rafa on this surface. Well, one. He has to serve flawlessly but then to only to give himself a small chance.
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We'll see. Djoker beat Nadal twice this year in straights on clay. If Fed can beat Djoker, he can beat Nadal. The question, to me, is can he maintain that kind of play for another match.
 
#109
#109
kidbourbon said:
Wrong and wrong.

1. Borg would tell you Rafa is better on clay
2. Borg would tell you Rafa has tougher competition.

And, regarding the second point, you never wanna go full retard.
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Settle down. You have your opinions and I have mine. I do know for sure, that you have no f'ing clue as to what Borg would say other than the fact he is a first class gentleman and would certainly give the nod to Rafa. I will bet you Rafa would say Borg was the better player.

Hell, the the number of good players playing serve and volley in Borg's era was exponentially more than those good players that do it today. that type of game put more pressure on the players than the baseline rips they do today. There isn't a big time player on the tour now that plays serve and volley. At least not on a regular basis.
 
#111
#111
^^Very little chance, but still a chance.

The problem is the matchup. Nadal's game is Federer's kryptonite. Nadal relentlessly attacks Federer's one-handed backhand with spinning shots that leap up off the court up near Federer's ear. Over the course of a match, Fed's one-handed backhand takes a beating.

In response, Fed runs around his backhand thus leaving the "deuce" side of the court wide open for attack.

On the clay, Fed's greatest weapon -- his forehand -- is neutralized because it is so hard to hit winner's on clay against Nadal.

And you have to remember, this is a best of five set match. You have to bring your A game, hope Nadal is off, and still win three sets somehow.

One thing that might be the difference Sunday (as it usually always is in Fed-Nadal matches) is Federer's ability to win break points on Nadal's serve. He has had about 60 million break points against Nadal over the years but cannot convert.

Keep an eye on break point percentage for Federer on Sunday. That, together with Federer's first serve percentage, will tell a lot in and of itself.
 
#112
#112
shortgameVol said:
Settle down. You have your opinions and I have mine. I do know for sure, that you have no f'ing clue as to what Borg would say other than the fact he is a first class gentleman and would certainly give the nod to Rafa. I will bet you Rafa would say Borg was the better player.

Hell, the the number of good players playing serve and volley in Borg's era was exponentially more than those good players that do it today. that type of game put more pressure on the players than the baseline rips they do today. There isn't a big time player on the tour now that plays serve and volley. At least not on a regular basis.
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1. The serve and volley game has never lent itself well to clay courts, so I'm not sure what your point is.
2. You don't know what the word exponentially means.
 
#114
#114
kidbourbon said:
He is playing really really well, but I would never bet against Rafa in a French Open final.
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Nah. You can see the fade over the course of a French style slugfest. Legs aren't what they were. Oddly, he plays more conservatively because of it. Makes little sense to me.
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#115
#115
BigPapaVol said:
Nah. You can see the fade over the course of a French style slugfest. Legs aren't what they were. Oddly, he plays more conservatively because of it. Makes little sense to me.
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Fed has to start quick like he did today if he's going to have a chance.
 
#117
#117
I think it was in 2006 when Federer and Nadal first met in the French Open final. The greatest-of-all-time label was starting to gain steam around this time.

Federer dominates the first set over Nadal winning 6-1. It looked like triple breadsticks was on the menu and Federer was going to claim career slam that day.

Of course, Nadal won the next three sets and changed the nature of this matchup forever.

With nothing to lose, just maybe this is Federer's time to return the favor of Wimbledon 2008. Interestingly, in that 2008 final, Nadal's win prevented Federer from winning 6 straight Wimbledons and breaking Borg's record.

Nadal will be trying to tie Borg's record 6th French Open title on Sunday.
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#118
#118
Federer has that whole 'How dare they preclude me in their choices for tourney winner' thing going for him. To me, that's a formidable vibe. Rafa doesn't seem himself of late, as well. This one should be a barn burner.
 
#119
#119
shortgameVol said:
You mean I have to tell you. I thought you knew everything. :eek:hmy: . Excuse me, I got that wrong, it's you that thinks you know everything :birgits_giggle:

McEnroe
Connors
Nastase
Vilas
Gerulitas
Tanner
Lendl
Ashe
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Unfortunately, I had to work for a few hrs after that match. Came back and saw this gem. I'm guessing names from the 60's and 70's were drawn out of a hat?
 
#121
#121
LawVol13 said:
We'll see. Djoker beat Nadal twice this year in straights on clay. If Fed can beat Djoker, he can beat Nadal. The question, to me, is can he maintain that kind of play for another match.
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The transitive property isn't one that lends itself nicely to tennis. Styles make fights, so to speak.
 
#122
#122
kidbourbon said:
So you're a conspiracy theorist?
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Are you referring to how slow Wimbledon's courts now play? I didn't think there was any dispute that the courts are now more cushy causing the ball to bounce higher and more slowly.

I think they were trying to combat the style of play where matches were nothing but big serves or one stroke and done points.

Over the past two or three years, my understanding from the tour players is that the U.S. Open courts play faster than the grass of Wimbledon.

And, yes, I do have extensive experience playing tennis on grass. About 20 years ago I snuck on a grass court and played one point against my friend before we got found out and run off.
 
#123
#123
kidbourbon said:
So you're a conspiracy theorist?
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Not at all. I think they slowed it down because of all the complaints about lack of rallies and two shot tennis. I understand it from the spectator angle, but the new rackets have changed it for them. The slower surface there lets the ball sit up just a hair more and helps a guy like Nadal immensely
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