2013 F Austin Nichols (Memphis Briarcrest)

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#2,827
bleedingTNorange said:
Show me some sites that have McRae and Stokes on their mock drafts this year...there's several that have Thomas and Goodwin.
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Find them yourself, I'm simply going on what a UTK fan agreed to in here.

But I think Stokes and McRae are future NBA'ers. I'll entertain evidence to the contrary however.
 
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#2,829
MemphisCanes said:
Find them yourself, I'm simply going on what a UTK fan agreed to in here.

But I think Stokes and McRae are future NBA'ers. I'll entertain evidence to the contrary however.
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I don't see what the NBA has to do it. Memphis' two best players are fringe prospects at best.
 
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#2,830
MemphisCanes said:
Find them yourself, I'm simply going on what a UTK fan agreed to in here.

But I think Stokes and McRae are future NBA'ers. I'll entertain evidence to the contrary however.
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In other words you can't find any because there aren't any...Thomas and black are widely regarded as NBA guys and appear on almost all drafts...stokes and McRae not so much.
 
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#2,831
MemphisCanes said:
And so would you like to alter the "Pastner can't beat top 25 teams" statement?

What do you want?
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What I want is for you to find where I said "Pastner can't beat top 25 teams." I said St Mary's wasn't a consensus top 25 team. I said Memphis can't beat teams with comparable talent.

Can't alter something I didn't say.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Going off what?

Thomas and Goodwin will probably move on to the NBA from Memphis.

Stokes and McRae from UTK.

The rest of the guys on both teams are mostly 4 stars (Hall, Golden, Black, Crawford), some threes (DJ Stephens, Richardson, Ferro Hall, Antonio Barton). Joe is a 5 star for Memphis.

Am I missing something?
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I think both guys (Thomas and Goodwin) need 1 more year before making that jump to the NBA. and im a huge Adonis fan.... Just my 2 cents, but I think it would do both players some good.
 
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#2,833
bleedingTNorange said:
Not really, so try again.

Look up the "stars" for the top 8 guys on each team...I'll wait.
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Stars? ok, just off the top of my head..

Stokes 5 star (future NBA)
McRae 4 star (future NBA)
Golden 4 star
Maymon 4 star (injured)
Hall 4 star
Richardson 3 star
Edwards 3 star
McBee Slawdog

Goodwin 5 star (future NBA)
Thomas 5 star (future NBA)
Jackson 5 star
Black 4 star
Stephens 0 star
Crawford 4 star
Johnson JuCo
Hall 3 star
Barton 2 star

You act like the grand canyon separates the talent on these teams.
 
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#2,834
MemphisVol04 said:
What I want is for you to find where I said top 25. I said St Mary's wasn't a consensus top 25 team. I said Memphis can't beat teams with comparable talent.

Can't alter something I didn't say.
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So has the narrative for Pastner changed from "he can't beat top 25 teams" to "he can't beat consensus top 25 teams"?

If so, who cares?

Dumb metric is dumb.
 
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#2,835
bleedingTNorange said:
In other words you can't find any because there aren't any...Thomas and black are widely regarded as NBA guys and appear on almost all drafts...stokes and McRae not so much.
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I haven't looked, I simply asked someone on here and they agree that UTK probably has two future NBA players.

If you want to present countervailing evidence, be my guest.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
So has the narrative for Pastner changed from "he can't beat top 25 teams" to "he can't beat consensus top 25 teams"?

If so, who cares?

Dumb metric is dumb.
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No, try and keep up. My narrative is, and has been, that memphis can't beat teams with equal talent. You are tooting your horn over a top 25 win. All I pointed out was St Mary's was in one poll out the other. If you're going to read things I don't write and argue with that then I guess you're gonna win that one.
 
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UTCVol said:
It always comes back to UT, doesn't it?

Not sure what my allegiance has to do Pastner's incompetence, but OK. Or is all you care about being better than UT?
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Glass houses, man.

The point is that you're not a very good judge of mediocrity, if you're claiming Pastner is mediocre yet Martin is not.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Glass houses, man.

The point is that you're not a very good judge of mediocrity, if you're claiming Pastner is mediocre yet Martin is not.
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Sure, Martin has been average so far. He hasn't had as much time as Pastner, nor has he had the talent (a point which I know you contest for some reason).
 
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MemphisVol04 said:
No, try and keep up. My narrative is, and has been, that memphis can't beat teams with equal talent. You are tooting your horn over a top 25 win. All I pointed out was St Mary's was in one poll out the other. If you're going to read things I don't write and argue with that then I guess you're gonna win that one.
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Well, apparently we're the most "talented" team in the world and we've played no one who is our equal.

But now selected top 25 teams aren't good teams, so I guess Pastner just can't win.
 
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UTCVol said:
Sure, Martin has been average so far. He hasn't had as much time as Pastner, nor has he had the talent (a point which I know you contest for some reason).
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Well, Pastner made the NCAA's his second year, and technically this is Martin's fifth (if I recall) year of being an HC.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Because the teams actually have 2 NBA'ers each. Stokes would've been the equivalent of a MCD's AA, Jackson was probably overrated a bit.
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Here you go again...you keep saying Tennessee 2 NBAers equal Memphis 2 NBAers. Thomas and Goodwin are commie names on mock drafts, show me a few with stokes and McRae since you keep saying the 2 are equal.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Stars? ok, just off the top of my head..

Stokes 5 star (future NBA)
McRae 4 star (future NBA)
Golden 3 star
Maymon 4 star (injured)
Hall 2 star
Richardson 3 star
Edwards 3 star
McBee 2 star

Goodwin 5 star (future NBA)
Thomas 5 star (future NBA)
Jackson 4 star
Black 4 star
Stephens 4 star
Crawford 4 star
Johnson 4 stsr
Hall 3 star
Barton 3 star

You act like the grand canyon separates the talent on these teams.
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With the benefit of hindsight, let's re-rank those...
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Well, apparently we're the most "talented" team in the world and we've played no one who is our equal.

But now selected top 25 teams aren't good teams, so I guess Pastner just can't win.
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You're not the most talented team in the world. You have played a few teams who are your equal. You've lost every time.*


*St Mary's was ranked in the coaches poll and unranked in the AP.

That should clear this all up.
 
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#2,848
MemphisCanes said:
Well, Pastner made the NCAA's his second year, and technically this is Martin's fifth (if I recall) year of being an HC.
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OK? I'm not really concerned with what he did at Missouri State. If he doesn't make the tournament next year I will be right there with you.
 
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#2,849
bleedingTNorange said:
Here you go again...you keep saying Tennessee 2 NBAers equal Memphis 2 NBAers. Thomas and Goodwin are commie names on mock drafts, show me a few with stokes and McRae since you keep saying the 2 are equal.
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Dude, if you disagree, then fine, throw up some links where Stokes and McRae aren't taken in the next 3 NBA drafts.

But stop with the broken record stuff. We all heard you the first time.
 
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#2,850
UTCVol said:
OK? I'm not really concerned with what he did at Missouri State. If he doesn't make the tournament next year I will be right there with you.
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I'm just saying, Martin got a few extra "practice seasons" before being thrown into the fire at UT. Pastner had to get right to it.
 
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