2015 College World Series

#126
#126
BruinVol said:
Why on earth wouldn't Vandy take Buehler out to save him for game 3??

Should have come out after 6 IMO
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He was at 70 pitches anyway, wouldn't have mattered. They haven't even thrown Bowden, ferguson or McCarty. But if they go to game three, Buehler come come in for a couple of innings.
 
#127
#127
Mike Rapp said:
He was at 70 pitches anyway, wouldn't have mattered. They haven't even thrown Bowden, ferguson or McCarty. But if they go to game three, Buehler come come in for a couple of innings.
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You don't think Buehler starts game 3???

That would be Wednesday???

Hell that's 4 days rest. I feel certain he would start. Corbin started Minor on 2 days rest in an elimination game a few years back
 
#128
#128
BruinVol said:
You don't think Buehler starts game 3???

That would be Wednesday???

Hell that's 4 days rest. I feel certain he would start. Corbin started Minor on 2 days rest in an elimination game a few years back
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He might.

The Florida game in which Buehler started was very intense. Would certainly be chippy.
 
#129
#129
99gator said:
This isn't hindsight talking, but I remember thinking it was a complete joke that Vandy was not a national seed.

I mention this because, if they win the national title, people will throw out the stat that yet another team that was not a national seed won the national title.

Well, I'm sorry. They should have been a national seed.
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The committee wanted Illinois to be a national seed, and felt they had to give one to one of the MVC teams. Obviously Vandt deserved one over both of them, but if you give it to Vandy aTm has an argument as well, and clearly the NCAA didn't want the sec to have four national seeds.
 
#131
#131
Kicking this around on the Gator board, so I'll throw it you all and tell me what you think.

Option 1.

Pitch Puk on four days rest. If you win, you don't have Puk or Shore for Game 1 or Game 2 against Vandy. However, you can't win it if you ain't in it. You go with Puk because he's your best available.

or

Option 2.

The goal is to win the whole thing. You ain't beating Vandy without Shore or Puk in Game 1 and Game 2.

You go with your midweek starter as long as possible. All hands on deck out of the bullpen.

If you win, you can throw Puk in Game 1. If you lose....you weren't going to beat Vandy with your 3rd and 4th starter in Game 1 and Game 2 anyway. Especially, if you couldn't beat Virginia with them.

thoughts.
 
#132
#132
99gator said:
Kicking this around on the Gator board, so I'll throw it you all and tell me what you think.

Option 1.

Pitch Puk on four days rest. If you win, you don't have Puk or Shore for Game 1 or Game 2 against Vandy. However, you can't win it if you ain't in it. You go with Puk because he's your best available.

or

Option 2.

The goal is to win the whole thing. You ain't beating Vandy without Shore or Puk in Game 1 and Game 2.

You go with your midweek starter as long as possible. All hands on deck out of the bullpen.

If you win, you can throw Puk in Game 1. If you lose....you weren't going to beat Vandy with your 3rd and 4th starter in Game 1 and Game 2 anyway. Especially, if you couldn't beat Virginia with them.

thoughts.
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Option 2

No doubt
 
#133
#133
99gator said:
Kicking this around on the Gator board, so I'll throw it you all and tell me what you think.

Option 1.

Pitch Puk on four days rest. If you win, you don't have Puk or Shore for Game 1 or Game 2 against Vandy. However, you can't win it if you ain't in it. You go with Puk because he's your best available.

or

Option 2.

The goal is to win the whole thing. You ain't beating Vandy without Shore or Puk in Game 1 and Game 2.

You go with your midweek starter as long as possible. All hands on deck out of the bullpen.

If you win, you can throw Puk in Game 1. If you lose....you weren't going to beat Vandy with your 3rd and 4th starter in Game 1 and Game 2 anyway. Especially, if you couldn't beat Virginia with them.

thoughts.
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You're midweek guys are going to be better than just about anyone's. I'd take door 2 and trust my offense and bullpen.
 
#134
#134
I can't believe I am saying this but......


For the first 8-10 years of Corbin's tenure I posted here my feelings about him being the biggest underachiever in college baseball. I still feel that was the case with all that talent but ...

Well he has clearly evolved past that and I applaud his last 3-5 years.

Now I think he gets an unfair advantage but regardless my hat is off to him and he deserves to be mentioned in the top 5 coaches in country discussion
 
#135
#135
Option 2 was the argument I was making.

You'd be in a position where you would be throwing all of your weekend starters in the championship series.....just out of order. Instead of 1, 2, 3. It would be 2, 3, 1.

Your bullpen is rested and at the ready and have pretty much had mop up work the whole CWS. If all that cliche stuff is true and that you win as a team and it takes all 20+ guys, etc, etc, etc. Then, this is where they go earn it.

I don't think they have a shot at Vandy any other way.
 
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#136
#136
99gator said:
Option 2 was the argument I was making.

You'd be in a position where you would be throwing all of your weekend starters in the championship series.....just out of order. Instead of 1, 2, 3. It would be 2, 3, 1.

Your bullpen is rested and at the ready and have pretty much had mop up work the whole CWS. If all that cliche stuff is that you win as a team and it takes all 20+ guys, etc, etc, etc. Then, this is where they go earn it.

I don't think they have a shot at Vandy any other way.
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I tend to agree about not having a shot but your kids clearly believe they can beat Vandy.

You have won 3/4 and many teams are beat before they even start the game. Florida won't be that way regardless who is pitching and that is important
 
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#138
#138
I'll go along with option 2 and trust that your offense can keep on keeping on. You have to have somebody to go up against Fulmer, he's about the only guy yawl have had trouble with and I don't like his chances of doing it twice, though he could.
 
#139
#139
BruinVol said:
I can't believe I am saying this but......

For the first 8-10 years of Corbin's tenure I posted here my feelings about him being the biggest underachiever in college baseball. I still feel that was the case with all that talent but ...

Well he has clearly evolved past that and I applaud his last 3-5 years.

Now I think he gets an unfair advantage but regardless my hat is off to him and he deserves to be mentioned in the top 5 coaches in country discussion
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I think the corner was turned when Corbin was able to convince Price and Alvarez to not sign pro contracts. And how he did it was the foundation of the future of his recruiting strategy. He goes after these high ceiling guys and make a financial case for them to go to school.

And not just Vandy, any well-managed college program.

He doesn't so much blow his Vandy horn, he is practical and honest, and he lays it out in black and white.

Pedro Alvarez was offered $100K out of high school to sign with Boston. Corbin flew up to his home and presented him with a three ring binder of the facts of bonus money, living on your own as a teenager, and development as a player and as a person. Boston kept upping the cash until it got to just under $1 mil, and at that point Pedro knew Vandy was the right choice regardless.

This past week Price basically repeated everything Corbin told him when he was at Blackman and was offered just under $2 mil to sign. He wasn't ready, not physically or emotionally, to ride a bus with guys he'd met three days earlier. And if he was good enough, he'd get more money and a better opportunity in three years.

Kyle Waldrup was supposed to have signed with Price and he reneged and signed a pro contract the night of the draft. Waldrup never sniffed the pros and is now an assistant at Farragut, watching Everett turn down $2 mil to go to Vandy. Meanwhile Price is going to sign a $120 mil contract next year. Waldrup got $1 mil out of high school and no one cares.

Had Waldrup stuck to his word, maybe he gets injured, or maybe he doesn't pan out. But look at these kids who play reserve roles at Vandy getting $1 mil or so to sign as juniors, with a two year opportunity to pitch in the Majors. I'd pick the Vandy route every time, and who wouldn't?

It doesn't always work out this way, quite obviously. But my point is, Corbin doesn't get emotional and call kids 24/7/365, begging them to come to Vandy. He tells them what he believes is true, tells them he won't guarantee them anything other than a chance, and lets the kid make the decision. It is a career decision, not just "come play for X school and have fun."

And Corbin can now point to all these kids who made that decision and are now playing professionally. Does Rhett Wiseman get a third round draft selection anywhere else? People can point to his ability to sign these high ceiling pitchers, but Tony Kemp, a kid barely even recruited out of Centennial High School, is now a phone call away from playing for the Astros.

Now clubs don't slow play Vandy recruits, and that's part of the reason you see these VU signees get huge huge signing bonus offers right out of the gate. They know if they don't come with the cash the kids will go to VU and get it in three years.

And again, I will add, I am all for full rides for baseball. And I don't think it would impact Vandy's recruiting at all going forward.

I still cannot believe how lucky Vanderbilt was to have signed Corbin. I mean, sure, he and Sully were considered two of the top assistants in baseball, but no one could have predicted what he has done at Vandy. And with what he knows, I truly think he could go to any school and make them a superpower in five years.
 
#140
#140
Mike Rapp said:
I think the corner was turned when Corbin was able to convince Price and Alvarez to not sign pro contracts. And how he did it was the foundation of the future of his recruiting strategy. He goes after these high ceiling guys and make a financial case for them to go to school.

And not just Vandy, any well-managed college program.

He doesn't so much blow his Vandy horn, he is practical and honest, and he lays it out in black and white.

Pedro Alvarez was offered $100K out of high school to sign with Boston. Corbin flew up to his home and presented him with a three ring binder of the facts of bonus money, living on your own as a teenager, and development as a player and as a person. Boston kept upping the cash until it got to just under $1 mil, and at that point Pedro knew Vandy was the right choice regardless.

This past week Price basically repeated everything Corbin told him when he was at Blackman and was offered just under $2 mil to sign. He wasn't ready, not physically or emotionally, to ride a bus with guys he'd met three days earlier. And if he was good enough, he'd get more money and a better opportunity in three years.

Kyle Waldrup was supposed to have signed with Price and he reneged and signed a pro contract the night of the draft. Waldrup never sniffed the pros and is now an assistant at Farragut, watching Everett turn down $2 mil to go to Vandy. Meanwhile Price is going to sign a $120 mil contract next year. Waldrup got $1 mil out of high school and no one cares.

Had Waldrup stuck to his word, maybe he gets injured, or maybe he doesn't pan out. But look at these kids who play reserve roles at Vandy getting $1 mil or so to sign as juniors, with a two year opportunity to pitch in the Majors. I'd pick the Vandy route every time, and who wouldn't?

It doesn't always work out this way, quite obviously. But my point is, Corbin doesn't get emotional and call kids 24/7/365, begging them to come to Vandy. He tells them what he believes is true, tells them he won't guarantee them anything other than a chance, and lets the kid make the decision. It is a career decision, not just "come play for X school and have fun."

And Corbin can now point to all these kids who made that decision and are now playing professionally. Does Rhett Wiseman get a third round draft selection anywhere else? People can point to his ability to sign these high ceiling pitchers, but Tony Kemp, a kid barely even recruited out of Centennial High School, is now a phone call away from playing for the Astros.

Now clubs don't slow play Vandy recruits, and that's part of the reason you see these VU signees get huge huge signing bonus offers right out of the gate. They know if they don't come with the cash the kids will go to VU and get it in three years.

And again, I will add, I am all for full rides for baseball. And I don't think it would impact Vandy's recruiting at all going forward.

I still cannot believe how lucky Vanderbilt was to have signed Corbin. I mean, sure, he and Sully were considered two of the top assistants in baseball, but no one could have predicted what he has done at Vandy. And with what he knows, I truly think he could go to any school and make them a superpower in five years.
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The program might have "turned the corner" there but he didn't as a coach IMO. Those team the next few years were more talented than the past 2 years but choked in post season. That's why I considered him to be a big underachiever

Most people don't remember but Jeremy sowers was the one that the "tone" for Vandy players turning big $ and irrc that was under the previous HC.


Getting to Omaha that 1st time is what turned it from underachiever to what it is today IMO
 
#141
#141
vol66 said:
99 do you think UVA will roll with Cody Jones?
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Rumor was Jones, but we are all anticipating Waddell.

That's another dilemma.

Do you go with your #1 or do you go with he guy who just pitched a 2 hit shutout?
 
#142
#142
Corbin deserves a lot of credit in developing those pitchers too.

There a lot of guys with major league arms that are decent, but not great, pitchers in college because they don't have a great 2nd or 3rd pitch, don't have great command, etc.

They get all of that at age 25. His guys have that at age 20. Price and Gray were major league ready leaving Vandy. Fulmer could use a little bit better command, but he's pretty much major league ready.

There are a lot of guys with 97 mph fastball arms that "don't get it" at that age.

Puk is kind of like that. He can be dominant, but it's not consistent at this point
 
#143
#143
BruinVol said:
The program might have "turned the corner" there but he didn't as a coach IMO. Those team the next few years were more talented than the past 2 years but choked in post season. That's why I considered him to be a big underachiever

Most people don't remember but Jeremy sowers was the one that the "tone" for Vandy players turning big $ and irrc that was under the previous HC.


Getting to Omaha that 1st time is what turned it from underachiever to what it is today IMO
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Yeah, Vandy looks like they're right at home in Omaha. Experience is so important, 3 of the 4 finalists were in Omaha last year.
 
#146
#146
@GatorZoneBB: Dane Dunning gets the start as #Gators & Cavaliers battle for a spot in the CWS Finals at 8 p.m. on ESPN #OmahaGators http://t.co/qkbdoyoWdT



Bigtime ballsy decision.

The gators are there to win it all!!
 
#148
#148
8 PM!!!



OMAHA, NEBRASKA




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Hey Peyton, if you can't beat 'em might as well join 'um, huh?


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Even Brett Farve is rooting for the Gators!


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And of course the average UF fans are fired up for the game tonight! :rock:


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Just goofing 'round...Good luck 99!
 
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