2020 Presidential Race

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Hunerwadel said:
Things change. It is now a racist sign and has been. By unifying do you mean I have to see things your way or you have to see things mine. You knot that will not happen. We or you have to win by numbers or find a common enemy worse than each other. Which is going to be hard to knowing what Trumpism stands for.
The 'OK' Hand Gesture Is Now Listed As A Symbol Of Hate
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I've been very clear that that's not what I've meant. I've pointed out the hoops that you jump through to demonize your enemy, while claiming they are the dividers. Here you are making excuses for being a divider who wants to win against your perceived enemies. It's kind of jarring, to be honest.

By using divisiveness as a pejorative, you made unity a virtue, and now here you are making excuses why divisiveness is a vice in your enemies, while its a virtue in your group. Weird, don't you think? Your only out is to claim that it hinges on who is virtuous and who is demonized.

So, you beg the question that your side is virtuous and the other are the demons.

You do so by begging the question of what they stand for. To do so, you mis-characterize their words, message and actions, even in the face of them trying to clarify. That's not a very virtuous way of proving your virtues.

You have to beg the questions by becoming the interpreter or their words and actions. By pointing to "winks, nods and dog whistles", to the person paying attention, it's become clear that you have to be the reason we find them demonic. We have to interpret them through your drive to "win by numbers", by creating numbers that view them the way you do.

Apparently by any means necessary.

That's not very virtuous.

For, what is a dog whistle, but something that not everyone can hear? Normal people can't hear the racism. Only dogs can. And if we let the dogs inform us, we can become dogs, and the dogs can win.

Oh, and you did mention that you're one of the few dogs that can hear the whistle. So, we should listen to you.


The dog.
 
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luthervol said:
Sure it did.
What if 3 million people think it did and 347 million people think it did not.?
Did it change? If not, what would the ratio have to be?
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Imagine how conflicted a minority race diver must be every time they have to respond they are ok. They probably give thumbs up which means surface immediately and then verbally say ok. 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Hunerwadel said:
The man at the top is leading the charge. He started off on day one demonizing the brown skinned people down south. Tell me that's not true. He could have spoke about illegal immigration without branding them with rapists, drug dealers and criminals and implying that only a few of them were a good people.....perhaps. His adoring mobs rallied around that and expanded it to include everyone who is not them.
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I did. Keep reading. Us non-dogs can't hear the whistle. And some of us refuse to let the dogs think for us.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Imagine how conflicted a minority race diver must be every time they have to respond they are ok. They probably give thumbs up which means surface immediately and then verbally say ok. 🤣🤣🤣
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I'm thinking they are probably smart enough to realize that many symbols have multiple meanings.
 
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I finally finished the debate. Final thoughts are that I thought it was pretty even overall until the very end when Trump got Biden to admit he would “transition away from the oil industry”. Generally speaking, votes aren’t changing from anything in the debate except maybe a few votes on that last point. It does go back to Biden claiming to be truthful though when he says he won’t get rid of fracking. If you shut oil down you will also be shutting down fracking. So overall I’d say a win for Trump but I don’t think it was the total demolition I’ve heard about. Trump gets caught up on minute details way too often and doesn’t complete his thoughts at times which stops him from driving home his point. Some of them are great points but he stops just short of finishing the thought. Kudos to that moderator though. She did a fantastic job by giving the candidates room to talk without losing control, not spending more time speaking than the candidates (Chris Wallace), and asking tough questions of both sides that weren’t framed as an attack (again, Chris Wallace). She was awesome and I know she’s a Democrat but she showed the impartiality we should expect and demand of all moderators.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Thanks. Can you summarize briefly?
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It’s about Michael Malice’s trying to make sense of what is going on on the right and how the new right is employing different tactics to tear down the cathedral. According to the new right, the “Cathedral” is a triad of politicians, media, and the education system that are not merely biased so much as they intentionally manipulate information with the goal of your submission in order to keep some “very unpleasant” people in power. (Similar to some of the conclusions of Noam Chomsky’s excellent book Manufacturing Consent.). It gives a time line of old right or paleo right figures such as Murray Rothbard, Pat Buchanan, etc and how the conservative movement was hijacked by Bill Buckley and the neocons. It goes into new right figures such as Stefan Molyneux, Gavin Mccinnes, Jim Goad and then into the alt right ( don’t remember their names). I’ll link to a better summary.

The New Right, Dripping With Malice | The American Conservative
 
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luthervol said:
Thanks for asking, I was hoping someone would take the bait.
The answer is obvious; you don't always know, you're left to use your own judgement.
That's the whole point of giving a common symbol a secret meaning.
As I said last night, it's all about the user's intent and the receiver's ability to accurately interpret the intent.
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So, you're bragging about exemplifying my recent accusations.

Thanks. I should have figured you would, In guess.

Only dogs can hear the whistle, so you're the dog we should listen to so we can all become dogs too.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’d guess all divers read this WP symbol schtick and bust out laughing.
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lol.....Didn't you just say a few posts ago that the thumbs up sign has a different meaning for divers?
How big of a knot can you tie yourself into?
So thumbs up can have multiple meanings but not o-kay? I've always admired your consistent logic.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, you're bragging about exemplifying my recent accusations.

Thanks. I should have figured you would, In guess.

Only dogs can hear the whistle, so you're the dog we should listen to so we can all become dogs too.
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What????????? Where in the world did you come up with that nonsense.

It's more that you guys are claiming, "I hear no whistle, therefore there cannot be one".
 
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midnight orange said:
It’s about Michael Malice’s trying to make sense of what is going on on the right and how the new right is employing different tactics to tear down the cathedral. According to the new right, the “Cathedral” is a triad of politicians, media, and the education system that are not merely biased so much as they intentionally manipulate information with the goal of your submission in order to keep some “very unpleasant” people in power. (Similar to some of the conclusions of Noam Chomsky’s excellent book Manufacturing Consent.). It gives a time line of old right or paleo right figures such as Murray Rothbard, Pat Buchanan, etc and how the conservative movement was hijacked by Bill Buckley and the neocons. It goes into new right figures such as Stefan Molyneux, Gavin Mccinnes, Jim Goad and then into the alt right ( don’t remember their names). I’ll link to a better summary.

The New Right, Dripping With Malice | The American Conservative
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Sounds like it may be worth m time. Thank you for taking your valuable time to recommend and follow up. genuinely, much appreciated.
 
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luthervol said:
lol.....Didn't you just say a few posts ago that the thumbs up sign has a different meaning for divers?
How big of a knot can you tie yourself into?
So thumbs up can have multiple meanings but not o-kay? I've always admired your consistent logic.
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Nope. I’ve pointed out the consistent usage of these signs in the diver communications lexicon. The thumbs up has always been surface immediately and the ok has always been ok. And a bunch of made up 4 Chan **** that you idiots fell for doesn’t change that.
 
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