2020 Presidential Race

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n_huffhines said:
Trump Says Mail-in Votes Are Suspicious Because They Overwhelmingly Favor Joe Biden. He's Wrong.
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What a bogus article. Trump was about to win on election night. The Dems realized it and made some phone calls to stop the counting. Then, what do we have? 138k "all Biden" votes injected into the MI voting system between 3 and 4AM along with other highly questionable shenanigans. Videos are starting to surface of poll workers dumping ballots in trash bags. Dead people voting. Then, there are the instances where observers were not permitted to witness vote counting. They even put up privacy barricades to prevent people from seeing what they were doing. So, yeah right, no fraud going on. Everything is on the up and up and transparent. If you believe that, I guess you were born yesterday.

The thing is, the Trump administration has known a long time that the Dems would not accept him being elected for a 2nd term and would do ANYTHING to prevent it. What we have seen as outsiders looking in is only the surface. This should all come out in court. Hopefully, this will all lead to massive election reform. There needs to be systems in place to prevent fraud and ensure that every legal vote is counted and every illegal vote is rejected.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, your attitude is, "I believe there was voter fraud and we should just accept it without investigating"? For the good of the country? That would be color guard S American BS. That what the CIA does to other countries. It shouldn't be what we, as the people they're supposed to serve, accept and tacitly approve of.

It's hard to fathom that anyone would effectively say, "I suspect they cheated to ignore our will, and we should let them tell us who rule us."
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I think investigating is ok. And recounts and lawsuits are ok too. But they will never overturn this election. It isn't happening. So once the inevitable conclusion is reached, what should we do? We're either going to have to move on or revolt. I am in favor of moving on with an eye towards shoring up the election process to guard against this kind of fraud in the future.
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
Yeah why update something that was put in place 200 years ago when the landscape was completely different and the whole reason it was put in place was to ensure that slave holding states could wield as much power as the north.

The US would not break up because of this. You really think a system where the miniority rules is just? Haha
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Then work to change it, the way to do it is plainly spelled out.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I think investigating is ok. And recounts and lawsuits are ok too. But they will never overturn this election. It isn't happening. So once the inevitable conclusion is reached, what should we do? We're either going to have to move on or revolt. I am in favor of moving on with an eye towards shoring up the election process to guard against this kind of fraud in the future.
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There will always be fraud. How much are we willing to tolerate is the question that needs to be answered.

If you say "none", I'm with you but it's a fantasy.
 
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#73,062
hog88 said:
The unity ship has sailed and is never coming back to port. I don't think even a powerful external threat would bring us back together.

BALKANIZE now!
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The United States was such a unique place in how diverse the population is. Most other countries in the world that have been so diverse have had major issues and that didn't happen here until now apparently. It just cannot work much longer with half the country sharing different core values.
 
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Those who think Hilary is so corrupt? She conceded and she had the popular vote and similar slim counts in most swing states. Corruption? Like the sketchy postal guy? Taking away places to vote? Making minorities in Democratic Georgia communities stand in line for 12 hours to vote? (and they did). Why didn't the corrupt Democrats make sure they controlled the senate? I'm afraid that these unproven conspiracy theories, will push people who worship Trump do something horrific.
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
Yeah why update something that was put in place 200 years ago when the landscape was completely different and the whole reason it was put in place was to ensure that slave holding states could wield as much power as the north.

The US would not break up because of this. You really think a system where the miniority rules is just? Haha
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What reason would smaller states have to remain in the Union if they were forced to be ruled over by 3-4 states? You really aren't thinking this through. The civil unrest we see now would be nothing compared to the civil unrest that would cause.
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
Which part? You think things can’t be improved upon? You think minority rule is an essential part of democracy? You think going to a popular vote wouldn’t force the minority party to bring their policies more in line with the population? Seems like you just don’t want to change
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It seems you want the minority of lifestyles to win the day. Seems like you want policies that only benefit population hubs because you currently agree with it and it seems you want the laws and policies to have drastic changes in a short amount of time that could cripple the country. The EC is there so drastic changes are universally agreed to and a significant part of the population isn't disenfranchised or oppressed by the current majority. The EC is a part of a checks and balance system so 51% that lives in less than 10% of the country doesn't out weigh an entire 49% every 4 years. The country is too big and diverse. You're asking for a civil war with your stupidity. It is necessary in a diverse country to limit a majority into placing limited policies that will disenfranchise on minorities without those checks. That check existing in one small section of one branch isn't enough to deter it. So another one exists in the executive. Your problem is that you are speaking through the lens of agreeing with "the majority" and you can't put yourself in the shoes of a farmer, a miner, a rural resident, a Cuban immigrant, etc. Who may disagree.

It sad the critical thinking in this country these days is piss poor. We used to be united on freedom and now we are divided in the name of power and power only. This invites oppression and the checks and balances are designed to thwart that oppression.
 
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Weezer said:
What reason would smaller states have to remain in the Union if they were forced to be ruled over by 3-4 states? You really aren't thinking this through. The civil unrest we see now would be nothing compared to the civil unrest that would cause.
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What 3-4 states can control the country? The top 4 states make up less than a third of the population, and they don’t even vote the same way.
 
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JCP201 said:
Those who think Hilary is so corrupt? She conceded and she had the popular vote and similar slim counts in most swing states. Corruption? Like the sketchy postal guy? Taking away places to vote? Making minorities in Democratic Georgia communities stand in line for 12 hours to vote? (and they did). Why didn't the corrupt Democrats make sure they controlled the senate? I'm afraid that these unproven conspiracy theories, will push people who worship Trump do something horrific.
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Like what?
 
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#73,075
Weezer said:
What reason would smaller states have to remain in the Union if they were forced to be ruled over by 3-4 states? You really aren't thinking this through. The civil unrest we see now would be nothing compared to the civil unrest that would cause.
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He currently agrees with the opinions of those few states, therefore it must be.
 
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