2020 Presidential Race

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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Normally I wouldn’t engage over a click bait headline from The Blaze but...

I seem to recall Hillary Clinton conceding in less than 12 hours. Before anything was “certified” and by much smaller margins than Biden is currently winning by in the exact same states that swung the election against her.
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You are correct.

In fact, Biden is leading Michigan by a much larger margin than Trump won with in 2016. Biden also currently leads Pennsylvania by a larger margin than Trump won with in 2016. Wisconsin is about the same now as it was then. Those were the 3 most significant states in both of these last two elections.

The only difference: Hillary Clinton conceded defeat on November 9th, which was the day after the election.
 
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AM64 said:
Biden's lead in PA is currently 49,153, or .73% of the votes cast. Seems like you guys have been claiming that recounts are reasonable if the margin is less than 1%. Since for whatever reason most of the mail it in voting apparently favors Biden, denial of late votes or something similar would seem likely hurt Biden's totals. You are thinking a vote or two here and there denied; a systemic error in the process could change things on a much larger scale. I don't care about the glitch here and there, my issue is the systemic issues in rushing a system that was never ready for prime time - that's likely the engineer in me. Where you want defect free products that are properly designed and tested, I want a defect free voting system that was correctly designed and tested - interesting that you don't seem to care about that.
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I haven’t assigned a number to recounts. But if they want to recount, go for it.

Have no problem with them making sure everything is up to snuff.

And again, PA is where everyone should focus. It’d save a lot of time. Trump can’t get 270 without PA. So while I may believe it’s ridiculous, sure, check out PA. I don’t see nearly 50k votes being invalidated for any reason, for either candidate.

My problem lies with Trump claiming victory in a speech, tweeting falsehoods, talking about conspiracies with no evidence.
 
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AM64 said:
Biden's lead in PA is currently 49,153, or .73% of the votes cast. Seems like you guys have been claiming that recounts are reasonable if the margin is less than 1%. Since for whatever reason most of the mail it in voting apparently favors Biden, denial of late votes or something similar would seem likely hurt Biden's totals. You are thinking a vote or two here and there denied; a systemic error in the process could change things on a much larger scale. I don't care about the glitch here and there, my issue is the systemic issues in rushing a system that was never ready for prime time - that's likely the engineer in me. Where you want defect free products that are properly designed and tested, I want a defect free voting system that was correctly designed and tested - interesting that you don't seem to care about that.
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Okay, but do you realize that is a larger margin than what Donald Trump won Pennsylvania with in 2016? Hillary Clinton did not claim fraud or demand a recount. She conceded defeat the day after the election.
 
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The Democratic party is pure evil. They will stop at nothing to gain power!


James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) Tweeted:
Hari Sevugan, a former spokesman for the DNC and for President Obama:

“We just launched the Trump Accountability Project to make sure anyone who took a paycheck to help Trump undermine America is held responsible for what they did." AOC, others pushing for apparent blacklist of people who worked with Trump
 
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Orange Maniac said:
Didn't realize having the exact same standards for everyone was a conservative or liberal issue. I also didn't realize it was a democrat/republican issue. I guess some are just scared of everything. I would think consistency and a fair/legal vote would be hope everyone wants but maybe not. Lets leave it as is and let the loser at that time moan and cry about fraud. It seems some would prefer entertainment over a fair/legal election.
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This will almost certainly all be blown off, and in two or four years, we'll be discussing the same thing all over again. The simple reason is that to fix a problem, you first have to admit there is a problem ... and our government is never wrong. So, yes, the courts will refuse to hear "anecdotal" evidence because no one wants it to be anything more than anecdotal, and a real look just might find dirt under the carpet. See one other big issue we visit and revisit periodically (with lots of finger pointing) is that of government transparency.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Let’s not forget that he actually convened a commission to investigate fraud in that 2016 election bc he couldn’t handle the fact he lost the popular vote.

That ended with a real thud.
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Yes, I remember that. Trump claimed that he would have won the popular vote in 2016 if illegal immigrants hadn't been allowed to vote. Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million votes in 2016.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I haven’t assigned a number to recounts. But if they want to recount, go for it.

Have no problem with them making sure everything is up to snuff.

And again, PA is where everyone should focus. It’d save a lot of time. Trump can’t get 270 without PA. So while I may believe it’s ridiculous, sure, check out PA. I don’t see nearly 50k votes being invalidated for any reason, for either candidate.

My problem lies with Trump claiming victory in a speech, tweeting falsehoods, talking about conspiracies with no evidence.
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A lot of the problem with PA is the way they basically moved election day 3 days by continuing to accept ballots after election days. They basically just made up their own rules
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Normally I wouldn’t engage over a click bait headline from The Blaze but...

I seem to recall Hillary Clinton conceding in less than 12 hours. Before anything was “certified” and by much smaller margins than Biden is currently winning by in the exact same states that swung the election against her.
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You’re right. However, you can’t deny that she and the rest of the MSM ran with the Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense for the entire presidency...

In fairness, they didn’t “suck it up” either.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Fox has joined lame-stream media

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Claim has already turned away by the courts, federal and state.

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AM64 said:
This will almost certainly all be blown off, and in two or four years, we'll be discussing the same thing all over again. The simple reason is that to fix a problem, you first have to admit there is a problem ... and our government is never wrong. So, yes, the courts will refuse to hear "anecdotal" evidence because no one wants it to be anything more than anecdotal, and a real look just might find dirt under the carpet. See one other big issue we visit and revisit periodically (with lots of finger pointing) is that of government transparency.
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Maybe it would help if Rudy Giuliani wasn't collecting anecdotal evidence from registered sex offenders who are obviously lying?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
That seems like the sensible take. With the huge amount of Biden only ballots that appear to have "come in" after 3am on the day AFTER the election, I think it is well within the realm of possibility that more votes were fraudulent only by this method than the margin of "victory" in PA GA WI AZ and NM....EVERY single one of those votes needs to be VETTED...proven to have been cast by a living, breathing human of legal age and citizenship.

Then there is the Dominion software fraud. Totally different method of fraud, that has been shown demonstrably to be flawed and which was used in all 5 states listed above and many more. The video which I have linked below and posted several times shows a team of forensic analysts demonstrating in real time how the software automatically changes large chunks of votes to Dimwit...changes unchosen boxes on ballots to the Dimwit candidate by default. FWIW, the sales rep for the Dominion software which was used to steal the votes is an aide to Nancy Pelosi, which is garbage on its own. Then there is the software called HammerScorecard which was apparently used to take tabulated votes from Trump and give them to Biden ...right in front of us on the TV .

From what I have read Trumps team must wait until 10 days after the election in order for the DOJ can get involved and start doing their thing. It would be unwise to reveal all of their evidence of fraud right now..to a hostile media and Dimwits...so the guilty can start trying to cover up , or smearing and discrediting the evidence right now when the folks who can actually DO something with Trumps evidence can't even touch it for a few more days. I hope that those folks who can actually do something here are honest enough and incorruptible so that they can prosecute everyone responsible and set the election straight as well. It seems very obvious that the fraud was widespread, and blatant . It is disgraceful.

34 min mark for some direct evidence. Tip of the iceberg...








50k votes is peanuts when the cheating is rampant, and methods are multiple. The software alone could easily be responsible for more than that
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in the forensic analysis Tabulated down votes go to the Democrat. That's also called election fraud. 50k turns into 25k because if you take away a vote from one and give it to the other, we are talking half the lead.
Just one honest election would be nice.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Maybe it would help if Rudy Giuliani wasn't collecting anecdotal evidence from registered sex offenders who are obviously lying?
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Aren't you of the group that believes that convicted felons who have been released from prison deserve to have their liberties restored? You can always tell how the liberal response will go - ignore the real issue and demean the question and the people questioning. Interesting, too, that we never really get down to the nuts and bolts of government incompetence because of the polarization issue - you are happy this time, so it's not an issue; somebody was happy last time, so it wasn't an issue - simple divide and conquer. Incompetent leaders skate because the electorate can never agree to root out the problems.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Normally I wouldn’t engage over a click bait headline from The Blaze but...

I seem to recall Hillary Clinton conceding in less than 12 hours. Before anything was “certified” and by much smaller margins than Biden is currently winning by in the exact same states that swung the election against her.
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Yeah Hillary is such a class act.
 
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