2023 Recruiting

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mudcat1973 said:
With the transefer portal can a 2023 who signs commited change schools if she wants to before next season transfer deedline?
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Any player can change anytime before November the 8th and after they sign on that day they are bound for that next season at the school they signed with.
 
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LadyOrange said:
Yes. That’s what I’ve heard. No wonder Coach Sam unfollowed her on Twitter. We don’t need players that “play games” and Kellie won’t have it.
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I think they both got the cash payment they wanted disquised as a NIL. A lot of players in classes for now on are going to be working the NIL Coach even said that is what a lot of recruits asked about first this time around. It is the new recruiting tool some schools will use it illegally.
 
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Delaney Thomas and Smya announcement is all we have left on our list which may or not be completely accurate. Then the places to go are foreign players, any top jucos, and portal. There are some highly rated foreign players that are considered as good as top 20 Hoopgurlz players.

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Volfan2012 said:
Delaney Thomas and Smya announcement is all we have left on our list which may or not be completely accurate. Then the places to go are foreign players, any top jucos, and portal. There are some highly rated foreign players that are considered as good as top 20 Hoopgurlz players.

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Always hope I suppose.
 
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sisaq said:
Some schools about to get sanctions
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if the NCAA attempts to sanction schools ex post facto they are gonna find themselves in hot water. Not saying their new refs can’t be enforced in the future, but they can’t punish schools for violating a rule that didn’t exist.

BTW, the SEC might SECEED over such rules.
 
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TheMississippiVol said:
These folks in here crowning a coach and HS recruits that ain’t never played a game in college together lol.
Talking about Tennessee playing for 3rd after this season when just last season LSU should’ve loss to Jackson State in the first round of the NCAA tourney lol.
Tennessee is easily one of the top 4 teams in the country this season. Nobody is worrying about 1 or 2 years down the road on today.
The entire landscape of woman's college basketball changes year to year.
Nobody even know what’ll happen in 2023!
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Somebody damn well should be worried about down the road! Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any! She brought a staff who weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court still, and on the recruiting trail, claringly. Holly left the top scorer, assist, and rebounder on the team (every year) Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with their play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Holly left recruits, or players... Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Horston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. Some left, Kellie couldn't keep them, they sat out a whole year to leave, Green was kicked out of school under Kellie's lack of supervision. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to an elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalizest for national coach of the year with less talent than which she left Kellie. What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers, now are only a factor because we have shown glaring holes that need filling. So all of you who say" I want girls at want to play for UT" good luck, Kellie hasn't recruited them. Maybe she needs to make them want to come here. She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to do with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit, we need one that gets 4 yr players who can get results. Kellie has signed one Star player. She hasn't yet played. We have seriously underachieved attracting serious talent. The one year talent transfer players doesn't work in Team Sports... Not sure this staff has what it takes to get it done, and patch work build a team. I hope we can, we have to start getting a solid HS recruiting class yearly.
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Somebody damn well, should be, worried about down the road!Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any, she has shown the staff she brought with her, can't, weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court, still, and on the recruiting trail. Holly left the top scorer and rebounder, on every year Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with her play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Houston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalized for national coach of the year with less talent than Kellie was left.What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers are only a factor as we have shown glaring holes to fill. She has a few nice role players she recruited, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to be with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit!
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Did you forget any sour grapes or cliches?
 
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sgacock said:
if the NCAA attempts to sanction schools ex post facto they are gonna find themselves in hot water. Not saying their new refs can’t be enforced in the future, but they can’t punish schools for violating a rule that didn’t exist.

BTW, the SEC might SECEED over such rules.
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The NCAA is on the cusp of not existing at all so I don't think a ham-handed power play where they penalize schools after the fact would be a wise move on their part. I think the poster is the only one mentioning sanctions. It sounds like they are just setting the path forward, but I guess we will see.

Here is a better link to the document.

It's all kind of ridiculous. Coaches can transmit information from a collective to the student athlete about opportunities they are aware of. They cannot communicate to the collective that a student wants X amount of dollars. But they can set up meetings where the athlete can do that directly. It is not mentioned if coaches can make it known to the collective how much they desire a particular player or strategize how much to offer each person they are recruiting. That is going to happen at most places if it is not addressed directly, and then it will happen anyway regardless of what the NCAA says. It would be kind of silly and inefficient if the collective is offering big bucks to recruits the school is only mildly interested in, or not enough to ones that are desperately wanted. The schools which minimize that mismatch will do better and that requires coordination between the coaches and collective.

And sgacock is right about the SEC. It is a superconference now and it will call the shots.
 
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Benionsopinion said:
Did you forget any sour grapes or cliches?
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No, what sour grapes, I played football at UT, and I've been a season ticket holder for over 30 years. As far as cliches, I guess you don't know where some of my quotes come from. But why don't you debate my facts, instead of trying to spin a different story about them.
PS The quote about the mules to the Kentucky Derby, is from Pat Summitt's father when she didn't have quite the talent to get it done. I guess if you knew your basketball (Lady Vol history),you'd of know that. Cliche ha!
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Somebody damn well should be worried about down the road! Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any! She brought a staff who weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court still, and on the recruiting trail, claringly. Holly left the top scorer, assist, and rebounder on the team (every year) Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with their play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Holly left recruits, or players... Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Horston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. Some left, Kellie couldn't keep them, they sat out a whole year to leave, Green was kicked out of school under Kellie's lack of supervision. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to an elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalizest for national coach of the year with less talent than which she left Kellie. What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers, now are only a factor because we have shown glaring holes that need filling. So all of you who say" I want girls at want to play for UT" good luck, Kellie hasn't recruited them. Maybe she needs to make them want to come here. She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to do with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit, we need one that gets 4 yr players who can get results. Kellie has signed one Star player. She hasn't yet played. We have seriously underachieved attracting serious talent. The one year talent transfer players doesn't work in Team Sports... Not sure this staff has what it takes to get it done, and patch work build a team. I hope we can, we have to start getting a solid HS recruiting class yearly.
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I think pretty much everyone would agree that Kellie has the team playing much better than Holly ever had it playing. And player development is much, much better too. Recruiting is definitely a problem. But this is the first year Kellie has had anything like the talent that Holly always had. Kellie's teams have overperformed their talent level, and Holly's always underperformed. And don't even start on "lack of supervision" when Kellie has cleaned up the mess Holly left with the culture. That is an area she has really excelled in, along with the aforementioned player development.

But yeah, I think the writing is on the wall for a drop-off after this year because we haven't recruited a franchise player to take Horston's place. Hoping one shows up in the portal is like hoping to win the lottery. Teams typically try to hang onto those sorts of players, and you typically have to recruit a bunch of highly ranked players to have any hope of finding the one who really is a difference maker and can carry a team.

So I think whether Kellie is ultimately a success here is going to be determined by what the team does on the court this year. This will be her make or break year. Let's hope the team can continue on its upwards trajectory.
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Somebody damn well should be worried about down the road! Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any! She brought a staff who weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court still, and on the recruiting trail, claringly. Holly left the top scorer, assist, and rebounder on the team (every year) Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with their play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Holly left recruits, or players... Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Horston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. Some left, Kellie couldn't keep them, they sat out a whole year to leave, Green was kicked out of school under Kellie's lack of supervision. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to an elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalizest for national coach of the year with less talent than which she left Kellie. What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers, now are only a factor because we have shown glaring holes that need filling. So all of you who say" I want girls at want to play for UT" good luck, Kellie hasn't recruited them. Maybe she needs to make them want to come here. She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to do with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit, we need one that gets 4 yr players who can get results. Kellie has signed one Star player. She hasn't yet played. We have seriously underachieved attracting serious talent. The one year talent transfer players doesn't work in Team Sports... Not sure this staff has what it takes to get it done, and patch work build a team. I hope we can, we have to start getting a solid HS recruiting class yearly.
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The Holly Talent? Holly hasn't spent a minute with these players and had Holly been here, Tamari would not have developed near the way she did because Holly would have left her on the bench. Holly would have had Tamari standing there with her hands at her shoulders the way she made Mercedes play. Did you see how Mercedes developed at Tennessee? She didn't develop until she went pro and they began to develop her. You continue to sound like a wack job or Holly Warlick's mom. Either way, you are out of touch.
 
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Dak1219 said:
The Holly Talent? Holly hasn't spent a minute with these players and had Holly been here, Tamari would not have developed near the way she did because Holly would have left her on the bench. Holly would have had Tamari standing there with her hands at her shoulders the way she made Mercedes play. Did you see how Mercedes developed at Tennessee? She didn't develop until she went pro and they began to develop her. You continue to sound like a wack job or Holly Warlick's mom. Either way, you are out of touch.
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Tell it like it is. Facts, baby.
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Somebody damn well should be worried about down the road! Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any! She brought a staff who weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court still, and on the recruiting trail, claringly. Holly left the top scorer, assist, and rebounder on the team (every year) Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with their play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Holly left recruits, or players... Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Horston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. Some left, Kellie couldn't keep them, they sat out a whole year to leave, Green was kicked out of school under Kellie's lack of supervision. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to an elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalizest for national coach of the year with less talent than which she left Kellie. What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers, now are only a factor because we have shown glaring holes that need filling. So all of you who say" I want girls at want to play for UT" good luck, Kellie hasn't recruited them. Maybe she needs to make them want to come here. She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to do with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit, we need one that gets 4 yr players who can get results. Kellie has signed one Star player. She hasn't yet played. We have seriously underachieved attracting serious talent. The one year talent transfer players doesn't work in Team Sports... Not sure this staff has what it takes to get it done, and patch work build a team. I hope we can, we have to start getting a solid HS recruiting class yearly.
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Agree with some of this. But Kellie can coach!
 
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Dak1219 said:
The Holly Talent? Holly hasn't spent a minute with these players and had Holly been here, Tamari would not have developed near the way she did because Holly would have left her on the bench. Holly would have had Tamari standing there with her hands at her shoulders the way she made Mercedes play. Did you see how Mercedes developed at Tennessee? She didn't develop until she went pro and they began to develop her. You continue to sound like a wack job or Holly Warlick's mom. Either way, you are out of touch.
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have you see what Mercedes has become in the W
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Somebody damn well should be worried about down the road! Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any! She brought a staff who weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court still, and on the recruiting trail, claringly. Holly left the top scorer, assist, and rebounder on the team (every year) Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with their play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Holly left recruits, or players... Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Horston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. Some left, Kellie couldn't keep them, they sat out a whole year to leave, Green was kicked out of school under Kellie's lack of supervision. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to an elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalizest for national coach of the year with less talent than which she left Kellie. What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers, now are only a factor because we have shown glaring holes that need filling. So all of you who say" I want girls at want to play for UT" good luck, Kellie hasn't recruited them. Maybe she needs to make them want to come here. She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to do with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit, we need one that gets 4 yr players who can get results. Kellie has signed one Star player. She hasn't yet played. We have seriously underachieved attracting serious talent. The one year talent transfer players doesn't work in Team Sports... Not sure this staff has what it takes to get it done, and patch work build a team. I hope we can, we have to start getting a solid HS recruiting class yearly.
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Your right she is not bringing in Holly talent she is bringing in players that are far better and more willing to work and become better. Hollingshead, Pissott, Jackson, Suarez, Franklin, Puckett and Powell are players that are as effective and talented as any that Holly ever brought here. None of the players she brought here ever came close to reaching their potential and the last two or three seasons of Holly were the worst seasons in Tennessee history other than when they first began the basketball program. The only players left on the team that Holly recruited are Horston, Key, and Rennie. No one misses Holly and sure we wouldn't miss you if you never posts here again.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Your right she is not bringing in Holly talent she is bringing in players that are far better and more willing to work and become better. Hollingshead, Pissott, Jackson, Suarez, Franklin, Puckett and Powell are players that are as effective and talented as any that Holly ever brought here. None of the players she brought here ever came close to reaching their potential and the last two or three seasons of Holly were the worst seasons in Tennessee history other than when they first began the basketball program. The only players left on the team that Holly recruited are Horston, Key, and Rennie. No one misses Holly and sure we wouldn't miss you if you never posts here again.
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