2023 Recruiting

[Memvol44]

Wow,bit harsh there. These boards are for expressing opinions..I didn't agree with everything he said but some I did.

 

[glv98]

the atrocious recruiting of the staff,

Talk about what have you done for me lately! Seems to totally dismiss the spring portal sweep to make the point, which is that we dun poor Holly wrong.

Am I over rating the significance of the Rickea Jackson recruiting win, plus nabbing the exact PG we've been hoping for, then topping off with Hollinghead? Because I can't head to the edge of the cliff over Harper's recruiting with that run so fresh in my mind. Also, the last hs recruit they did get is apparently, hopefully, a really good one.

Of course not getting any hs recruits is noteworthy, unexpected, and puzzling. If it becomes a trend, there's definitely a problem. But right now, recruiting is too weird and uncertain and the LVs recent recruiting too good to draw any definite conclusions. Recruiting is all new ground now and that ground keeps shifting. NIL gives me a headache . They're making it up as they go along and its the wild west until the rules get decided.

Also, this year, they could afford to be a little picky. The roster is loaded, and the newly re-claimed culture is important.

She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again.

Kellie has signed one Star player.

I think she's signed 3 star players: Horston (rerecruited), Jackson, and Hollingshead. I think at least one of Puckett, Powell, Pissott, will become star players who Harper not only recruited but developed. IMO, lack of player development is what took down Holly, plus the toxic culture. Which Harper turned round in record time.

Also disagree about a huge downhill slide after this season. Very good core, IMO, Jillian is key. Definitely need some key additions, hopefully from HS. But should be a vet team who knows how to win.

Kellie hasn't out coached a better team,

South Carolina '21.

 

[sgacock]

Somebody damn well should be worried about down the road! Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any! She brought a staff who weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court still, and on the recruiting trail, claringly. Holly left the top scorer, assist, and rebounder on the team (every year) Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with their play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Holly left recruits, or players... Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Horston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. Some left, Kellie couldn't keep them, they sat out a whole year to leave, Green was kicked out of school under Kellie's lack of supervision. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to an elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalizest for national coach of the year with less talent than which she left Kellie. What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers, now are only a factor because we have shown glaring holes that need filling. So all of you who say" I want girls at want to play for UT" good luck, Kellie hasn't recruited them. Maybe she needs to make them want to come here. She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to do with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit, we need one that gets 4 yr players who can get results. Kellie has signed one Star player. She hasn't yet played. We have seriously underachieved attracting serious talent. The one year talent transfer players doesn't work in Team Sports... Not sure this staff has what it takes to get it done, and patch work build a team. I hope we can, we have to start getting a solid HS recruiting class yearly.

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[PRG]

Somebody damn well should be worried about down the road! Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any! She brought a staff who weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court still, and on the recruiting trail, claringly. Holly left the top scorer, assist, and rebounder on the team (every year) Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with their play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Holly left recruits, or players... Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Horston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. Some left, Kellie couldn't keep them, they sat out a whole year to leave, Green was kicked out of school under Kellie's lack of supervision. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to an elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalizest for national coach of the year with less talent than which she left Kellie. What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers, now are only a factor because we have shown glaring holes that need filling. So all of you who say" I want girls at want to play for UT" good luck, Kellie hasn't recruited them. Maybe she needs to make them want to come here. She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to do with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit, we need one that gets 4 yr players who can get results. Kellie has signed one Star player. She hasn't yet played. We have seriously underachieved attracting serious talent. The one year talent transfer players doesn't work in Team Sports... Not sure this staff has what it takes to get it done, and patch work build a team. I hope we can, we have to start getting a solid HS recruiting class yearly.

You are scared to death of facts ! ( underachieving & recruiting) ?
Joillett Law recruited !
Holly left ______

Holly was fired ….. Once a coach is gone ! ALL PLAYERS ON THE TEAM CAN LEAVE ….. Not just the freshmen class ? The whole team and freshman class had to be re-recruited !!!! You don’t think Rennia or Horston could not have gone anywhere they wanted ? Kellie convinced them to stay. Just Saying

Mimi was going home to Maryland before Holly cleared out her desk ! ( everyone knows this ) ! Westbrook was leaving before her dressing room statement’s “sorry not sorry”. And Geno was already on the phone . Kellie was not hired yet ! Just Saying

Alexa Middleton ( NOT MIDDLEBROOK ) transfer 2017-2018 year and played 2018-19 year and then Kellie hired in 2019. Alexa was finished before Kellie was even on campus !

Zaay Green ( ( Not Jay) kicked out of school for stupid stuff ? You said you played sports . So did I and I saw many players dismissed and no coach could of stopped them ! As a comedian said “ You can’t fix stupid !”

Rae was a bull in a china shop under Holly! But after three years under Kelly she was a first round draft pick in the W. And so was Rennia after two years under Kellie . “ More to come !”

What really has Kellie done ? Last year we were 18 and 1 and ranked # 5 before the injuries! We beat South Carolina and Texas …. And More to come !

Nice roll players ! I think you are referring to our top 15 class ? Which after this year will have two more years . Justine Pissott an AA Will have three more years after this year and Hollingshead an AA also will have two more years after this year ! Just Saying

Can’t you just enjoy this year ? This is Kellies 4th year and I’m betting on a better year than last year ! Just Saying

 

[Dak1219]

have you see what Mercedes has become in the W

Mercedes has excelled and has looked like the number 1 ranked player out of her class after about a year of development at the next level.

 

[LadyOrange]

if the NCAA attempts to sanction schools ex post facto they are gonna find themselves in hot water. Not saying their new refs can’t be enforced in the future, but they can’t punish schools for violating a rule that didn’t exist.

BTW, the SEC might SECEED over such rules.

I think they can.

 

[Benionsopinion]

No, what sour grapes, I played football at UT, and I've been a season ticket holder for over 30 years. As far as cliches, I guess you don't know where some of my quotes come from. But why don't you debate my facts, instead of trying to spin a different story about them.
PS The quote about the mules to the Kentucky Derby, is from Pat Summitt's father when she didn't have quite the talent to get it done. I guess if you knew your basketball (Lady Vol history),you'd of know that. Cliche ha!

Looks like my question struck a chord. Did not question you or your bona files,but will ask about thin skin. Are you still lamenting the departure of Holly,who was a great recruiter ,but not a good coach? And who spent thirty years under the greatest coach of all time and either learned nothing or could not impart to the team what she knew? Holly’s teams regressed during her tenure and it was not due to lack of talent. Playing football thirty years ago,you must have known Phil Fulmer. He was a great friend and supporter of Holly,yet he saw enough to know that a change was needed. By the way there were no quotes in your original post,just anecdotal sayings which are okay.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Somebody damn well should be worried about down the road! Once the Holly talent is gone, Kellie hasn't shown that she can get any! She brought a staff who weren't power 5 ready in any deminsion of recruiting, or development. And, that's a glaring problem, and if you're not worried about it then hallelujah to you. As a Lady Vol fan, it is extremely concerning! I'm scared to death of the fact, that we are under achieving on the court still, and on the recruiting trail, claringly. Holly left the top scorer, assist, and rebounder on the team (every year) Kellie has been here! And if this team doesn't do something to help the atrocious recruiting of the staff, with their play on the floor, we are in real trouble! Holly left recruits, or players... Key, Westbrook, (Jay) Green, Middlebrook, Burrell, Horston, Collins, Davis, all left from Holly's recruiting. Some left, Kellie couldn't keep them, they sat out a whole year to leave, Green was kicked out of school under Kellie's lack of supervision. I know a lot of you is going to say " Holly couldn't coach", well she got to an elite eight, She was SEC coach of the year, and finalizest for national coach of the year with less talent than which she left Kellie. What really has Kellie done, but beat Alabama on a last second shot? Kellie hasn't out coached a better team, and transfers, now are only a factor because we have shown glaring holes that need filling. So all of you who say" I want girls at want to play for UT" good luck, Kellie hasn't recruited them. Maybe she needs to make them want to come here. She has recruited a few nice role players, but after this season we are desperate for lots of talent, again. It has nothing to do with not being a fan of the players, or Kellie, it has to do with reality. I hope Kellie isn't a Butch Jones, but "WE" really need to not Bring Mules To The Kentucky Derby, time to bench the husband, hire a coach who can recruit, we need one that gets 4 yr players who can get results. Kellie has signed one Star player. She hasn't yet played. We have seriously underachieved attracting serious talent. The one year talent transfer players doesn't work in Team Sports... Not sure this staff has what it takes to get it done, and patch work build a team. I hope we can, we have to start getting a solid HS recruiting class yearly.

First of all,,,,hello Holly
;o)

Holly's regime went after stars
Coach K's are going after pieces to a puzzle

Kellie knew how to win in the level she was
Kellie took the talent level she had at MizzouST and won with it.
Now she's getting SEC size and talent to pick from
As long as she has a true buY in on her process ( trust the process ) ..she'll win

And she may be able to pull John Callipari and win with new "ready to go to the next level" players coming in yearly. That'd be ok with me too...Callipari's done well.

I am 100 behind ,, Kellie
...Saw her run this team as a kid and feel good about what she will do here.
I expect her to take this "sum of the parts" and make them a team
I expect she will

 

[creekdipper]

Well said, Coach.

 

[turbovol]

First of all,,,,hello Holly
;o)

Holly's regime went after stars
Coach K's are going after pieces to a puzzle

Kellie knew how to win in the level she was
Kellie took the talent level she had at MizzouST and won with it.
Now she's getting SEC size and talent to pick from
As long as she has a true buY in on her process ( trust the process ) ..she'll win

And she may be able to pull John Callipari and win with new "ready to go to the next level" players coming in yearly. That'd be ok with me too...Callipari's done well.

I am 100 behind ,, Kellie
...Saw her run this team as a kid and feel good about what she will do here.
I expect her to take this "sum of the parts" and make them a team
I expect she will

Calipari is a laughable comparison. He gets a bunch of 5-star recruits every year. On the one hand he's underachieved given his talent every year--only one national title; on the other, most of his top talent is very young and leaves after a year or two. In any cases, he's a lousy comparison.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Calipari is a laughable comparison. He gets a bunch of 5-star recruits every year. On the one hand he's underachieved given his talent every year--only one national title; on the other, most of his top talent is very young and leaves after a year or two. In any cases, he's a lousy comparison.

he reloads top talent with recruits and she will with the portal
same rod, different lakes
he was in the title hunt yearly doing that

 

[Darth_Vol]

Kellie's teams have overperformed their talent level, and Holly's always underperformed.

"Overperformed" is a bit of an overstatement. I would say Kellie's teams have more or less performed at their talent level. Yes, that still puts her a step above Holly...

 

[LUVMESUMVOL]

he reloads top talent with recruits and she will with the portal
same rod, different lakes
he was in the title hunt yearly doing that

We hope she reloads with the portal again it's not a guarantee

 

[Orange007]

most of those who said 2023 recruiting was "make or break" should have shifted that make or break mindset to 2024 after this last portal class. We will be a damn good team NEXT year without a 2023 recruit b/c of the portal. we just need to have a stellar season, keep recruiting the portal for next season, and 2024. Winning big this season will open up the gates for recruiting. Plus, don't forget the LVs could have signed people in this class. THEY chose to back off of players and wait too. Would signing some of these elite recruits been AWESOME? of course, but a 2023 recruting class is not stopping this train. believe that.

 

[sisaq]

"Overperformed" is a bit of an overstatement. I would say Kellie's teams have more or less performed at their talent level. Yes, that still puts her a step above Holly...

More than a step

 

[sgacock]

most of those who said 2023 recruiting was "make or break" should have shifted that make or break mindset to 2024 after this last portal class. We will be a damn good team NEXT year without a 2023 recruit b/c of the portal. we just need to have a stellar season, keep recruiting the portal for next season, and 2024. Winning big this season will open up the gates for recruiting. Plus, don't forget the LVs could have signed people in this class. THEY chose to back off of players and wait too. Would signing some of these elite recruits been AWESOME? of course, but a 2023 recruting class is not stopping this train. believe that.

in my opinion, the 2024 is more talented than 2023. I believe it is has wayyyy more talented bigs. Oh well. Just opinion

 

[River67]

most of those who said 2023 recruiting was "make or break" should have shifted that make or break mindset to 2024 after this last portal class. We will be a damn good team NEXT year without a 2023 recruit b/c of the portal. we just need to have a stellar season, keep recruiting the portal for next season, and 2024. Winning big this season will open up the gates for recruiting. Plus, don't forget the LVs could have signed people in this class. THEY chose to back off of players and wait too. Would signing some of these elite recruits been AWESOME? of course, but a 2023 recruting class is not stopping this train. believe that.

We actually got a 2023 verbal but she waited so long to commit that her spot was filled with one of the transfers. I don’t know why this 2023 class waited so late to commit

 

[turbovol]

he reloads top talent with recruits and she will with the portal
same rod, different lakes
he was in the title hunt yearly doing that

Actually, the portal is a better way to reload IF you're getting good players--because they're experienced. Calipari's problem is that nearly
all of his 5 stars turn pro after a year and so never become experienced college players. (It also should be noted that a LOT of male "one-and-dones"
spend most of their time on the bench in the NBA.) That's the irony of Calipari's situation--he seldom really gets the benefits of the 5 stars he lands and has to resume his coaching at square one with a new crop of players most years.

 

[Voluble2]

We actually got a 2023 verbal but she waited so long to commit that her spot was filled with one of the transfers. I don’t know why this 2023 class waited so late to commit

Who?

 

[River67]

Who?

I don’t really want to say, but her dad messaged me and thanked me for supporting his kid. They totally understood

 

[larjoranj]

We actually got a 2023 verbal but she waited so long to commit that her spot was filled with one of the transfers. I don’t know why this 2023 class waited so late to commit

I don't understand. The transfers are here now and will play in 2022. The 2023 recruits wouldn't be here until 2023. A few weeks ago we had room for Booker, Velez, Nichols and ADR in 2023. None of them committed to us. Why don't we have room for this person who wants to come?

 

[River67]

I don't understand. The transfers are here now and will play in 2022. The 2023 recruits wouldn't be here until 2023. A few weeks ago we had room for Booker, Velez, Nichols and ADR in 2023. None of them committed to us. Why don't we have room for this person who wants to come?

She plays the 4 and Jill took that spot with 3 years of eligibility

 

[larjoranj]

She plays the 4 and Jill took that spot with 3 years of eligibility

When Key is gone, and with us not signing any high school players yet, and If we don't land an impact center in the transfer portal next year, isn't it possible Hollingshead will be our center? And we could lose 6 players after this season. So this player wants to come, is good enough for us to accept, but we have so many players that only play the 4 that we can't take her, even with a possible 6 spots open? ok

 

[Orange007]

We actually got a 2023 verbal but she waited so long to commit that her spot was filled with one of the transfers. I don’t know why this 2023 class waited so late to commit

My theory, and just a theory, is that this 2023 class is right in the middle of major changes happening with schools and NIL. So many kinks are being worked out, business matters being set up, etc. I bet some of these kids wanted to wait on details to be ironed out with such a new type of recruiting. I hope and believe that things will be more predictable with schools and what they can offer.

 

[Volfan2012]

Seen her play a few times in tournaments was not that impressed. She is quite tall very slow runner Baylor won't be able to play fast with her in there they will be a half court team.