2024 Official Seed List Watch Party Thread

[jtipto10]

Hey, quick question:

Are we still talking about cities in the US and their respective distances from other cities? I want to make sure we don't get too far off topic in the

2024 Official Which City Is Closer To Which Other City And Also Can I Fly There From Wherever I Happen To Live Watch Party Thread​

Some have, some haven’t. I’d say the absence of 1-seeds in the elite eight last season had a lot of those folks who had purchased tickets ahead of time returning home and eating them.

Doesn’t explain S16 games 2 days prior tho

It’s roughly 850 miles. If you have a vehicle that gets 20 miles per gallon, that’s 42.5 gallons. If gas is $3 per gallon (which is high), that’s $127.50 each way. If you are with a friend, that’s $63.75 a piece. Even if you find a $200 flight, it’s still cheaper. Sure, you analyze cost-benefit of getting there quicker. But by the time you get to the airport early, fly to LA, and find a rental car, you are talking 6 hours. That’s also direct, and my guess is there are not many (if any) direct flights. Then, you are talking 8+ hours to LA.

Pretty simple analysis.

That happens every year in the E8, as I stated. S16 games are gonna have higher crowds in actuality, but it’s extremely rare to have a regional game have a capacity crowd, no matter who is playing in it.

I'm reposting this with quotes just to make sure everyone saw it. It was easy to pass by with all the incredibly relevant conversation about airports and drive times

 

[VolCalls]

That happens every year in the E8, as I stated. S16 games are gonna have higher crowds in actuality, but it’s extremely rare to have a regional game have a capacity crowd, no matter who is playing in it.

Some will, some won’t. It depends on the matchup. I can almost guarantee there will be capacity crowds in Dallas if Houston, Kansas, or Baylor is playing for a Final Four berth on Easter Sunday.

I’ve attended five regional finals in person, in four different cities, and all five had capacity crowds, so I haven’t experienced the absolutes you speak of.

 

[cncchris33]

I don't know Az remaining sched. but we need to win all 4 so there will
be no doubt what our seed is.

I think we keep a 2 seed if we go 2-2 over the next 4.

4-0 gives 1 seed
3-1 gives 1/2 seed
2-2 gives 2 seed
1-3 gives 2/3 seed
0-4 gives 3 seed

my thoughts.

Zona has an easy schedule by comparison. We have many more opportunities for Q1 wins, though. Zona has only played two ranked teams since the turn of the year (Washington St. twice) and lost both times. As Jimmy Dykes mentioned, Zona had the more impressive OOC performance, but Tennessee has had the more impressive conference performance.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It’s roughly 850 miles. If you have a vehicle that gets 20 miles per gallon, that’s 42.5 gallons. If gas is $3 per gallon (which is high), that’s $127.50 each way. If you are with a friend, that’s $63.75 a piece. Even if you find a $200 flight, it’s still cheaper. Sure, you analyze cost-benefit of getting there quicker. But by the time you get to the airport early, fly to LA, and find a rental car, you are talking 6 hours. That’s also direct, and my guess is there are not many (if any) direct flights. Then, you are talking 8+ hours to LA.

Pretty simple analysis.

You’re talking probably a $300-$350 per person difference for 2 buddies to make the trip, and that’s before factoring in the likely extra day off from work needed if driving, so how much is that worth? Again overall point being, it’s a pretty similar cost and if $350 difference is a make or break on the trip you likely can’t afford the tickets nor should you be taking it.

 

[CornbreadVol]

Okay so I'm going to get a little ahead of myself and say that we are almost a lock for a 2 seed or better barring a total collapse down the stretch. So Here are some potential 2nd round opponents that we may face and I'm curious as to who you guys would want to play the most/least in a hypothetical matchup. I'm using bracketmatrix to determine the seeds FYI.

7 seeds: Colorado State, Utah State, Florida, South Carolina
8 seeds: Michigan State, Oklahoma, TCU, Florida Atlantic
9 seeds: New Mexico, Texas, Northwestern, Boise State
10 seeds: Mississippi State, Virginia, Nebraska, Nevada

For the 7 seeds, give me any of the mountain west teams as I would assume the committee would want to avoid a SEC 2nd round matchup. I would want one of Big 12 teams for the 8/9 seed as they all don't have great size and have shot chuckers at the guard position. Finally, give me Virginia all day for the potential 10 seeds as they literally have 0 offense and I feel confident that we can score on almost anyone. Now of course these are all probably all going to change given there is still a lot of basketball left to play and teams are going to move up/down. Just thought it would be fun to speculate.

 

[VolGee4]

You’re talking probably a $300-$350 per person difference for 2 buddies to make the trip, and that’s before factoring in the likely extra day off from work needed if driving, so how much is that worth? Again overall point being, it’s a pretty similar cost and if $350 difference is a make or break on the trip you likely can’t afford the tickets nor should you be taking it.

I appreciate your contribution to the forum, and I know you stick to your arguments. Actually, the point was that many, many more UT fans are west of Knoxville and actually closer to Dallas. That makes the trip even easier. There is a lot more to it than just gas versus flight expenses. Check the rental and hotel rates in LA. We are in an age where people are just as comfortable to drive these days. They can go on their own pace, and driving has been made easier. These are experiences, and maybe a young fan has never seen UT play in the NCAAT, and his dad would make the 6-8 hour trip if it were that close. JMO, and I will end it on that.

 

[berryvol]

Okay so I'm going to get a little ahead of myself and say that we are almost a lock for a 2 seed or better barring a total collapse down the stretch. So Here are some potential 2nd round opponents that we may face and I'm curious as to who you guys would want to play the most/least in a hypothetical matchup. I'm using bracketmatrix to determine the seeds FYI.

7 seeds: Colorado State, Utah State, Florida, South Carolina
8 seeds: Michigan State, Oklahoma, TCU, Florida Atlantic
9 seeds: New Mexico, Texas, Northwestern, Boise State
10 seeds: Mississippi State, Virginia, Nebraska, Nevada

For the 7 seeds, give me any of the mountain west teams as I would assume the committee would want to avoid a SEC 2nd round matchup. I would want one of Big 12 teams for the 8/9 seed as they all don't have great size and have shot chuckers at the guard position. Finally, give me Virginia all day for the potential 10 seeds as they literally have 0 offense and I feel confident that we can score on almost anyone. Now of course these are all probably all going to change given there is still a lot of basketball left to play and teams are going to move up/down. Just thought it would be fun to speculate.

7: CSU
8: FAU or TCU. Certainly want no part of MSU and would prefer to avoid OU out of these options
9: Fine with any of these matchups, but would prefer NM or NW.
10: Virginia would be a dream matchup, probably the one I’d want to play most out of this list in R32.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I appreciate your contribution to the forum, and I know you stick to your arguments. Actually, the point was that many, many more UT fans are west of Knoxville and actually closer to Dallas. That makes the trip even easier. There is a lot more to it than just gas versus flight expenses. Check the rental and hotel rates in LA. We are in an age where people are just as comfortable to drive these days. They can go on their own pace, and driving has been made easier. These are experiences, and maybe a young fan has never seen UT play in the NCAAT, and his dad would make the 6-8 hour trip if it were that close. JMO, and I will end it on that.

I did check hotels, and they’re cheaper near the arena than near the arena in Dallas fwiw. My take is that once you get over that 6+ hour driving range most people if the cost is similar would rather fly, if I’m wrong on that then so be it, that’s my opinion based on the folks I know and am around.

 

[walkenvol]

I did check hotels, and they’re cheaper near the arena than near the arena in Dallas fwiw. My take is that once you get over that 6+ hour driving range most people if the cost is similar would rather fly, if I’m wrong on that then so be it, that’s my opinion based on the folks I know and am around.

That’s an interesting topic - breaking point between driving and flying. For me it’s influenced by my need to rent a car at my destination if I fly, how close the airport is to my destination, direct flights available, flight times, flight costs.

 

[fear]

i wonder how accurate these % are

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

i wonder how accurate these % are

Probably pretty accurate statistically, given the level of significance. Of course there is no eye data in there

 

[berryvol]

i wonder how accurate these % are

From a general observation standpoint, looks about right.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

That’s an interesting topic - breaking point between driving and flying. For me it’s influenced by my need to rent a car at my destination if I fly, how close the airport is to my destination, direct flights available, flight times, flight costs.

Absolutely! I’ve done my fair share of drives before when flights could be had, but maybe flights weren’t until later in the day or I wanted to be there earlier etc.

For the sake of topic, Dallas games are March 29-31, LA games are March 28-30.

Dallas trip: Most folks from Knoxville would would likely drive down the day before the first game since it’s a 12 hour drive. So hotel March 28-31 and you’re gone 5 days, 3 working days if you’re at a M-F job. We’ve established gas at about $300, looks like about $1,200 is averagish for a hotel for 4 nights, so you’re at 5 days gone, 3 works days likely missed, and $1,500 on gas and hotel.

Los Angeles trip: So on flight on 28th and hotel for 3 nights, departing flight on Sunday the 31st, so gone 4 days and 2 days of work missed at a M-F. Multiple flight options but pricing is about $550 on average for a decent timed flight, looks like a hotel is about $750 on average close to the arena. Obviously gonna have to UBER or Taxi to and from the airport so add in another $100 or so there. So $1,400 or so for a flight, hotel and transportation, 4 days gone and 2 days of work missed.


Now that’s individual, if you go with a friend that changes thing, Dallas obviously is more like $750 if you split it and LA more like $950 or so each for that trip. I’m basing it off Knoxville because that’s where majority of Vol fans willing to go to either location will reside from, or East Tennessee in general. Yes there are some fans who would probably drive to Dallas who live closer that direction, but the same could be said for LA as well and there’s no way to really measure either of those numbers accurately. So for those in Knoxville and surrounding areas you’re looking at an almost identical cost for either location, neither being super convenient but both being pretty affordable options, especially if you go with at least 1 friend.

My opinion is that there’s the same number of Vol fans within a few hundred that would show up in LA vs. Dallas, Detroit or Boston and so for that to me taking the better seed and matchups is preferred. If there was an option of a Louisville, or Atlanta that would be an entirely different argument, but the locations this year there’s just not one where I think Volnation is showing up and outnumbering every other fan base.

 

[cncchris33]

This thread...

 

[bleedingTNorange]

i wonder how accurate these % are

Barttorvik has it…
Arizona 46.6%
Tennessee 40.7%
North Carolina 13.5%

TeamRankings has it…
Arizona 42%
Tennessee 29%
Kansas 24%
North Carolina 8%

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Absolutely! I’ve done my fair share of drives before when flights could be had, but maybe flights weren’t until later in the day or I wanted to be there earlier etc.

For the sake of topic, Dallas games are March 29-31, LA games are March 28-30.

Dallas trip: Most folks from Knoxville would would likely drive down the day before the first game since it’s a 12 hour drive. So hotel March 28-31 and you’re gone 5 days, 3 working days if you’re at a M-F job. We’ve established gas at about $300, looks like about $1,200 is averagish for a hotel for 4 nights, so you’re at 5 days gone, 3 works days likely missed, and $1,500 on gas and hotel.

Los Angeles trip: So on flight on 28th and hotel for 3 nights, departing flight on Sunday the 31st, so gone 4 days and 2 days of work missed at a M-F. Multiple flight options but pricing is about $550 on average for a decent timed flight, looks like a hotel is about $750 on average close to the arena. Obviously gonna have to UBER or Taxi to and from the airport so add in another $100 or so there. So $1,400 or so for a flight, hotel and transportation, 4 days gone and 2 days of work missed.


Now that’s individual, if you go with a friend that changes thing, Dallas obviously is more like $750 if you split it and LA more like $950 or so each for that trip. I’m basing it off Knoxville because that’s where majority of Vol fans willing to go to either location will reside from, or East Tennessee in general. Yes there are some fans who would probably drive to Dallas who live closer that direction, but the same could be said for LA as well and there’s no way to really measure either of those numbers accurately. So for those in Knoxville and surrounding areas you’re looking at an almost identical cost for either location, neither being super convenient but both being pretty affordable options, especially if you go with at least 1 friend.

My opinion is that there’s the same number of Vol fans within a few hundred that would show up in LA vs. Dallas, Detroit or Boston and so for that to me taking the better seed and matchups is preferred. If there was an option of a Louisville, or Atlanta that would be an entirely different argument, but the locations this year there’s just not one where I think Volnation is showing up and outnumbering every other fan base.

Absolutely! I’ve done my fair share of drives before when flights could be had, but maybe flights weren’t until later in the day or I wanted to be there earlier etc.

For the sake of topic, Dallas games are March 29-31, LA games are March 28-30.

Dallas trip: Most folks from Knoxville would would likely drive down the day before the first game since it’s a 12 hour drive. So hotel March 28-31 and you’re gone 5 days, 3 working days if you’re at a M-F job. We’ve established gas at about $300, looks like about $1,200 is averagish for a hotel for 4 nights, so you’re at 5 days gone, 3 works days likely missed, and $1,500 on gas and hotel.

Los Angeles trip: So on flight on 28th and hotel for 3 nights, departing flight on Sunday the 31st, so gone 4 days and 2 days of work missed at a M-F. Multiple flight options but pricing is about $550 on average for a decent timed flight, looks like a hotel is about $750 on average close to the arena. Obviously gonna have to UBER or Taxi to and from the airport so add in another $100 or so there. So $1,400 or so for a flight, hotel and transportation, 4 days gone and 2 days of work missed.


Now that’s individual, if you go with a friend that changes thing, Dallas obviously is more like $750 if you split it and LA more like $950 or so each for that trip. I’m basing it off Knoxville because that’s where majority of Vol fans willing to go to either location will reside from, or East Tennessee in general. Yes there are some fans who would probably drive to Dallas who live closer that direction, but the same could be said for LA as well and there’s no way to really measure either of those numbers accurately. So for those in Knoxville and surrounding areas you’re looking at an almost identical cost for either location, neither being super convenient but both being pretty affordable options, especially if you go with at least 1 friend.

My opinion is that there’s the same number of Vol fans within a few hundred that would show up in LA vs. Dallas, Detroit or Boston and so for that to me taking the better seed and matchups is preferred. If there was an option of a Louisville, or Atlanta that would be an entirely different argument, but the locations this year there’s just not one where I think Volnation is showing up and outnumbering every other fan base.

I just keep imagining this “buddy” you mention. He may want to pay extra for his own room.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I just keep imagining this “buddy” you mention. He may want to pay extra for his own room.

Also a fair point lol

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

Can Ohio state play themselves in or was yesterday purely playing for pride

 

[berryvol]

Can Ohio state play themselves in or was yesterday purely playing for pride

Would need to win the B10 tourney in all likelihood.

 

[wtmvol]

Can Ohio state play themselves in or was yesterday purely playing for pride

It's possible. They'd have to win their last 3 Big 10 games, which they honestly should. That puts them 9-11 in the Big 10 with 3 Q1 wins. They'd probably need to do something special like beat Purdue in the Big 10 tourney. That 1-5 in Q2 is a killer though.

 

[knoxvol52]

I think I will take this route.

Pay You.Tube TV bill $78
Buy $200 worth of Beer
$200 worth of Food
Invite friends over and watch NCAA tournament.
Total cost less than $500

 

[wtmvol]

One of the big flaws of the quadrant system (and before that the whole Top 25 Wins, Top 50 Wins, etc metric) is the arbitrary nature of the lines drawn. Over the weekend we lost a Q1 win because Florida fell to #31 in the NET behind TCU. On the other hand, we gained a Q2 win because Ole Miss rose to #75. Just something to keep note of as we decide who we need to pull for on a given day.

Having said that, I think we still want TCU to beat Baylor tonight to keep some separation between us and Baylor.

 

[omghulkhands]

It's possible. They'd have to win their last 3 Big 10 games, which they honestly should. That puts them 9-11 in the Big 10 with 3 Q1 wins. They'd probably need to do something special like beat Purdue in the Big 10 tourney. That 1-5 in Q2 is a killer though.

If all that were to happen, and that’s a big if…

Perhaps the committee makes a subjective decision that the team under Diebler is different than the team before, and they judge them accordingly. They do this with injuries, so I don’t see how this would be that different.

 

[VolCalls]

One of the big flaws of the quadrant system (and before that the whole Top 25 Wins, Top 50 Wins, etc metric) is the arbitrary nature of the lines drawn. Over the weekend we lost a Q1 win because Florida fell to #31 in the NET behind TCU. On the other hand, we gained a Q2 win because Ole Miss rose to #75. Just something to keep note of as we decide who we need to pull for on a given day.

Having said that, I think we still want TCU to beat Baylor tonight to keep some separation between us and Baylor.

I honestly don’t think we have to worry about anyone currently ranked below us unless we lose the next four. IMO we are rock-solid as a #2 with still an outside chance at a #1.

 

[VolPack22]

I was just looking through the previous Top 16 reveals and a 1 seed in the initial reveal fallen off the 1 line in every season since 2017, last year being the lone exception.

2024 March Madness bracket preview: Top 16 reveal and a deep history of how those seeds do

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