2024 Official Seed List Watch Party Thread

#501
#501
CAVPUT said:
I don't see any way they could shaft us under those circumstances. With our strength of schedule vs Zona and/or UNC, they'd have no choice....assuming they care about credibility. I'm hoping they find themselves in exactly that position.
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That’s a much more fair take, you were making it sound like we’d have to best both those teams records by 2-3 games in order to “force” the committees hand.
 
#503
#503
CAVPUT said:
I'd take that right now. I'll be content with 2-2. Folks thinking we'll get a 1 seed are dreaming. Ain't no way they give the rednecks a 1 seed if there's a blue blood they can slide in thru the back door available. If Zona or UNC is anywhere close, you know how it's gonna go.
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I hate these conspiracy theories. They add nothing of value to the discussion. Anyone looking at the metrics objectively over the years will see, other than rare instances, the committee does a really good job relying on the metrics when seeding the top 4 seeds in each region. If there was outright bias, Alabama wouldn't have been the OVERALL #1 seed last year. It would've been Kansas.

If we win our last four, the national media will begin touting our performance down the stretch and describe us as deserving of the last #1 seed. If we win 3 of 4, it will depend upon what Zona and UNC do. Go 2-2 or 1-3 and we are still a solid #2 seed. Now, if we drop all four (which I don't think will happen), I could see us sliding to a #3.
 
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#504
#504
bleedingTNorange said:
What evidence is there to suggest that UK will be firing on all cylinders? Not saying it’s not possible, just curious, they lost to a bad LSU team, looked great against Alabama sure, and then needed a miracle to beat Mississippi State. If they rattle off their next 3 in convincing fashion then sure, but to this point I’m just not sure what has been seen to suggest that.
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They've consistently risen to the challenge in big games. Beat UNC at a neutral site, lost a nail-biter to Kansas on a neutral floor, destroyed a top-10 Miami team at the time back in December, smoked Auburn at their place, and blew out Alabama last weekend. Fortunately, we have a team this year that can match their intensity. We were super-focused going into Rupp a few weeks ago - UK was a little more comfortable playing at home, IMO, and when we punched them in the mouth they weren't ready for it.

I think both teams will be at their best next Saturday and the game will be decided in the final minutes.
 
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#506
#506
CAVPUT said:
Not sure if you're being disingenuous here. You aren't suggesting that the media views bama and UT in the same light are you? Bama is a blue blood, if not THE blue blood, of college football. IMO, the glow of that spotlight spills over into all their sports. We have no such luxury. Bama is "southern royalty". UT is "red neck trailer trash" in their eyes. We'll never get the nod. They'll never crack the door for us. We either kick it down or it stays closed. You won't see that with bama. And soon, it's going to be that way for UGA. The next time UT gets the nod over the likes of UNC or Zona in hoops will be the first time I can recall seeing it in my 7 decades on this earth.
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One of your comments are true. The others are false. We're certainly much higher on the rung than we were in 2006. That year we should have probably been a 4 but were rewarded a 2 because we were a fun national story. You've allowed the comments of one or two guys to permanently jade your thinking
 
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#509
#509
BernardKingGOAT said:
I don't necessarily expect 4-0. Just saying if we go 4-0, we're a lock for a 1 seed
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Agreed. I think 4-0 is too tall an order given the schedule. I'd be thrilled to handle business at home and steal a road win. 2-2 would be somewhat disappointing, but fans shouldn't be too upset with that under the circumstances. Any worse than 2-2 would be a bitter pill to swallow for this old man.
 
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#512
#512
VolCalls said:
I hate these conspiracy theories. They add nothing of value to the discussion. Anyone looking at the metrics objectively over the years will see, other than rare instances, the committee does a really good job relying on the metrics when seeding the top 4 seeds in each region. If there was outright bias, Alabama wouldn't have been the OVERALL #1 seed last year. It would've been Kansas.

If we win our last four, the national media will begin touting our performance down the stretch and describe us as deserving of the last #1 seed. If we win 3 of 4, it will depend upon what Zona and UNC do. Go 2-2 or 1-3 and we are still a solid #2 seed. Now, if we drop all four (which I don't think will happen), I could see us sliding to a #3.
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Interesting how you claim the only criteria is objective metrics, and then enumerate what “the media” will do. If the choices are objective, what does the media have to do with it? If we go 4-0 we’re a 1 on the merits, full stop. If you think biases and ratings don’t affect outcomes, you’re wrong. I have two friends who have served on the committee at different times, and I can assure you that the room is regularly corrupted by calls from conference chairs, and the TV network is quite literally in the room. I think they’ve progressively gotten better, but it remains far from perfect, and definitely less than pure.
 
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#513
#513
Stoerner Fumbles said:
Interesting how you claim the only criteria is objective metrics, and then enumerate what “the media” will do. If the choices are objective, what does the media have to do with it? If we go 4-0 we’re a 1 on the merits, full stop. If you think biases and ratings don’t affect outcomes, you’re wrong. I have two friends who have served on the committee at different times, and I can assure you that the room is regularly corrupted by calls from conference chairs, and the TV network is quite literally in the room. I think they’ve progressively gotten better, but it remains far from perfect, and definitely less than pure.
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Show me in my post where I said the metrics were the “only” criteria. I’ll wait.
 
#515
#515
bleedingTNorange said:
Todays games:
7:00pm: Providence vs. Marquette
7:00pm: Louisville vs. Duke
8:00pm: Oklahoma vs. Iowa State
9:00pm: Alabama vs. Ole Miss
9:00pm: Seton Hall vs. Creighton
9:00pm: Minnesota vs. Illinois
10:00pm: Arizona vs. Arizona State
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Best chance there is Ole Miss beating Bama. I'd be pretty surprised if we got much help tonight.
 
#516
#516
VolCalls said:
Show me in my post where I said the metrics were the “only” criteria. I’ll wait.
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VolCalls said:
Show me in my post where I said the metrics were the “only” criteria. I’ll wait.
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Your case is a false dichotomy between objectivity and other inputs you label as "conspiracy theories". I disagree that things are that simple. If your rebuttal is to hang everything on the word "only," then keep waiting. I am not sure that changes my point. The committee has improved over time, but continues to be influenced by variables other than objective metrics.
 
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#517
#517
Stoerner Fumbles said:
Your case is a false dichotomy between objectivity and other inputs you label as "conspiracy theories". I disagree that things are that simple. If your rebuttal is to hang everything on the word "only," then keep waiting. I am not sure that changes my point. The committee has improved over time, but continues to be influenced by variables other than objective metrics.
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You were the one who said I said “only metrics” matter.
 
#518
#518
bleedingTNorange said:
Todays games:
7:00pm: Providence vs. Marquette
7:00pm: Louisville vs. Duke
8:00pm: Oklahoma vs. Iowa State
9:00pm: Alabama vs. Ole Miss
9:00pm: Seton Hall vs. Creighton
9:00pm: Minnesota vs. Illinois
10:00pm: Arizona vs. Arizona State
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Respectfully, I am going to go a slightly different direction ... I think I would rather face Alabama grinning from winning on the road, than coming home angry and re-focused on Saturday.
I know that it is not a binary situation, but you get the idea.
 
#519
#519
SN-A-C Orange said:
Respectfully, I am going to go a slightly different direction ... I think I would rather face Alabama grinning from winning on the road, than coming home angry and re-focused on Saturday.
I know that it is not a binary situation, but you get the idea.
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True, but an Alabama loss on the road would put them a game behind us in the standings if we win tonight and make Saturday’s game for us a lot less important. We could lose that game and still get a share of the conference title.
 
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#520
#520
SN-A-C Orange said:
Respectfully, I am going to go a slightly different direction ... I think I would rather face Alabama grinning from winning on the road, than coming home angry and re-focused on Saturday.
I know that it is not a binary situation, but you get the idea.
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I hear you, but I ain't pulling for Alabama.
 
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#521
#521
SN-A-C Orange said:
Respectfully, I am going to go a slightly different direction ... I think I would rather face Alabama grinning from winning on the road, than coming home angry and re-focused on Saturday.
I know that it is not a binary situation, but you get the idea.
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There is no situation in which a Bama win tonight is good for us. Regardless of outcome, they will be laser focused Saturday. A Bama loss helps our seed floor and would be massive for the SEC race.
 
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#522
#522
berryvol said:
There is no situation in which a Bama win tonight is good for us. Regardless of outcome, they will be laser focused Saturday. A Bama loss helps our seed floor and would be massive for the SEC race.
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I tend to think we overate how things like motivation and momentum impact games anyway. We just talk about it so much bc it’s easy compared to actually breaking down how teams match up with one another
 
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#523
#523
Vol49er said:
I tend to think we overate how things like motivation and momentum impact games anyway. We just talk about it so much bc it’s easy compared to actually breaking down how teams match up with one another
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Agreed. It would also make a lot more sense if OP was talking about this from the ole miss perspective. If Bama wins @ UK, they’re much more likely to overlook this midweek game, sandwiched between their biggest games of the season. I just can’t imagine anyone thinking we’re going to get anything less than bama’s best effort Saturday, regardless of how their game tonight plays out.
 
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#524
#524
SN-A-C Orange said:
Respectfully, I am going to go a slightly different direction ... I think I would rather face Alabama grinning from winning on the road, than coming home angry and re-focused on Saturday.
I know that it is not a binary situation, but you get the idea.
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If that guaranteed a win Saturday sure, but them winning 2 this week would really make winning the SEC difficult.
 
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#525
#525
You were the one who said I said “only metrics” matter.
Yes, Matlock. I am the one who said that. Crime solved. I’ve authorized you to remove the word only if it helps lighten your OCD on the matter.
 
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