2024 Presidential Race

[volbound1700]

I understand it is up to me. I am getting your insight on what percentage (since no one is 100%) is good enough?

That is your call. I have 0 idea of your value system.

I also think that electing politicians won't save the US long-term. There are deep cultural changes that have caused us to enter our slump that are pretty comparable with past nations. It is a VERY LONG read but go read Edward Gibbons Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire as an example (it isn't the only one by any means, lots of good writings out there). Frankly, the book of Jeremiah in the Bible is also a great example of the Decline and Collapse of the Jewish state.

 

[McDad]

That is your call. I have 0 idea of your value system.

I also think that electing politicians won't save the US long-term. There are deep cultural changes that have caused us to enter our slump that are pretty comparable with past nations. It is a VERY LONG read but go read Edward Gibbons Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire as an example (it isn't the only one by any means, lots of good writings out there). Frankly, the book of Jeremiah in the Bible is also a great example of the Decline and Collapse of the Jewish state.

Let me try a different tack.

What is your percentage agreement to get your vote? I gather from reading your posts there isn't a politician you agree with 100% either.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Mayor Adams endorses Kamala Harris hours after Slamming Her for Border Crisis​

Mayor Eric Adams has fallen in line with the party leadership, throwing his support behind Kamala Harris as the Democratic presidential nominee — despite just hours prior seemingly bashing the vice president for her handling of the border.

The mayor continued to praise the VP, touting her leadership skills — and even how she took over the border issue in the Biden administration.

But the night prior, Adams refused to endorse Harris and seemingly took a shot at the VP over her efforts to address the root causes of migration from Central America.

Mayor Adams endorses Kamala Harris hours after slamming her for border crisis

“I’m looking forward to moving towards a convention, seeing the Vice President Harris becoming the nominee,” Hizzoner said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Monday mornin…

nypost.com

 

[volbound1700]

Let me try a different tack.

What is your percentage agreement to get your vote? I gather from reading your posts there isn't a politician you agree with 100% either.

I typically go with the one most in-line with my values.

I cited that I am a Republican and not an independent. I also voted that in the surveys. At the same time, I am willing to listen to the other side but the Republican party aligns most with my values (not perfectly).

For example, I am not big on the border crisis and that is a MAJOR Trump item but I am very much in line with Trump on the USA having bad trade deals with foreign nations and the tariffs. I also HATE the hubris and arrogance of the other side. When people say Earls or rednecks, it offends me (even if people would not qualify me as one). All human beings are valuable to me.

I am pro-life but I can agree on exceptions for problematic situations (life endangered, rape, etc.). I just don't agree with killing a human being when a women had a sexual relationship they were not supposed to have.

I think the Republicans can do more to reach out to minority voters and Trump is starting some of that.

I don't like Trump's divisive comments. I think a Commander-in-Chief should be professional and it comes off very unprofessional.

I could keep going but you really need to make the choice on your end and not just follow me . I don't know everything.

I think Trump has been going in the right direction over the last several months but I wasn't a fan of some of his actions in 2020. I am willing to admit when Trump (or the Republican party) makes mistake and agree with the liberal posters on here.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Whitmer would Not Accept vice presidential spot: ‘I am not leaving Michigan’​

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) said she would not take a vice presidential spot on the Democratic ticket alongside Vice President Kamala Harris but is supportive of Harris’s bid.

Whitmer would not accept vice presidential spot: ‘I am not leaving Michigan’ - Washington Examiner

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) said she would not take a vice presidential spot on the Democratic ticket alongside Vice President Kamala Harris

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Cod]

Whitmer would Not Accept vice presidential spot: ‘I am not leaving Michigan’​

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) said she would not take a vice presidential spot on the Democratic ticket alongside Vice President Kamala Harris but is supportive of Harris’s bid.

Whitmer would not accept vice presidential spot: ‘I am not leaving Michigan’ - Washington Examiner

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) said she would not take a vice presidential spot on the Democratic ticket alongside Vice President Kamala Harris

www.washingtonexaminer.com

She knows those two have zero chance.

 

[McDad]

I typically go with the one most in-line with my values.

I cited that I am a Republican and not an independent. I also voted that in the surveys. At the same time, I am willing to listen to the other side but the Republican party aligns most with my values (not perfectly).

For example, I am not big on the border crisis and that is a MAJOR Trump item but I am very much in line with Trump on the USA having bad trade deals with foreign nations and the tariffs. I also HATE the hubris and arrogance of the other side. When people say Earls or rednecks, it offends me (even if people would not qualify me as one). All human beings are valuable to me.

I am pro-life but I can agree on exceptions for problematic situations (life endangered, rape, etc.). I just don't agree with killing a human being when a women had a sexual relationship they were not supposed to have.

I think the Republicans can do more to reach out to minority voters and Trump is starting some of that.

I don't like Trump's divisive comments. I think a Commander-in-Chief should be professional and it comes off very unprofessional.

I could keep going but you really need to make the choice on your end and not just follow me . I don't know everything.

I think Trump has been going in the right direction over the last several months but I wasn't a fan of some of his actions in 2020. I am willing to admit when Trump (or the Republican party) makes mistake and agree with the liberal posters on here.

Thoughtful reply, thank you.

If you will allow, let me give you some insight on my end. Whether I agree or disagree with a candidate or where I land on the scale between 0 to 100 considering the entirety of issues, is less important than my negotiables and non negotiables. For example, someone who believes life begins at conception my agree with everything else a candidate espouses but cannot in good conscious vote for the candidate if they are pro abortion.
I have non negotiables. They are responsible spending (and a whole let less of it), smaller government across the board, and lower taxes combined with more equitable tax policy. I have given up on social issues. I have given up on the border. I have given up on us being the world's police force. I ask for so little, but the things I ask for are not negotiable. I have not found any candidate who is serious about those issues and viable to win.

Plus, living in TN which is a very red state means that my vote or lack of vote doesn't matter at all in the election.

 

[volbound1700]

Thoughtful reply, thank you.

If you will allow, let me give you some insight on my end. Whether I agree or disagree with a candidate or where I land on the scale between 0 to 100 considering the entirety of issues, is less important than my negotiables and non negotiables. For example, someone who believes life begins at conception my agree with everything else a candidate espouses but cannot in good conscious vote for the candidate if they are pro abortion.
I have non negotiables. They are responsible spending (and a whole let less of it), smaller government across the board, and lower taxes combined with more equitable tax policy. I have given up on social issues. I have given up on the border. I have given up on us being the world's police force. I ask for so little, but the things I ask for are not negotiable. I have not found any candidate who is serious about those issues and viable to win.

Plus, living in TN which is a very red state means that my vote or lack of vote doesn't matter at all in the election.

Ross Perot was your guy in the early 1990s. Issue is that I don't think a single President can solve the issues.

A great example of what it would take for us to solve the debt issue is the Greece situation where they entered austerity. For the US to truly solve our debt issue, we would have to make extreme cuts to Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, and the Military. The 3 big "nos" that will lead to political suicide.

The one positive that I have heard is that the USA has a lot of loans out there that other nations (notably China) owe to the USA. People talk about how much we owe China or Japan (we owe Japan more than China) but apparently they owe us far more from what is rumored. If the USA called in all its debts, it could pay off its National Debt. However, the loan exchanges and debt reminds me of the 1930s. Perhaps one dark truth is that economies cannot function very well long-term without a War. I have honestly pondered that at times. World War 2 got the world out of the Great Depression.

The key difference between me and 90% of other Americans is that I am willing to ponder and challenge commonly held beliefs today. I do think blaming politicians for all our problems are lazy. We elect them and they follow our will. The politicians have their base, this forum shows it.

 

[bamawriter]

Food for thought:

Kamala Harris is the presumptive Democratic nominee. This is her second run for President. Between the two campaigns, she has won a grand total of zero pledged delegates.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Food for thought:

Kamala Harris is the presumptive Democratic nominee. This is her second run for President. Between the two campaigns, she has won a grand total of zero pledged delegates.

Is that as crazy as this?

50 years ago next month, Gerald Ford ascended to the presidency without ever having been elected either the President or Vice President ..... and then he abruptly pardoned the man who had appointed him Vice President, and later resigned allowing him to become President. Ford was basically force-fed to the American people.

^^^^ Now, that really was a circumvention of the democratic process. ^^^^

 

[Ritzwatch]

Food for thought:

Kamala Harris is the presumptive Democratic nominee. This is her second run for President. Between the two campaigns, she has won a grand total of zero pledged delegates.

I have been shaking my head for the last 24 hours at this.

Harris has never won a single delegate in a contested election to determine a party nominee, yet she may be elected the next president of the United States. I cannot think of another time this has happened under the modern electoral system. It is staggering.

Edit: Having seen BB85's post, above, obviously, Ford's situation was different. Ford filled a vacancy due to the sitting VP's resignation from office. His appointment was Constitutional, in accord with our established democratic norms. Ford, unlike Harris, never had a chance to be elected President without having won a single electoral vote by the primary/caucus process. It is truly a remarkable moment in history.

 

[luthervol]

I understand it is up to me. I am getting your insight on what percentage (since no one is 100%) is good enough?

My answer would be "when your agreement with one candidate is significantly higher than your agreement with the other viable candidate - weighted by priorities".

 

[BowlBrother85]

I have been shaking my head for the last 24 hours at this.

Harris has never won a single delegate in a contested election to determine a party nominee, yet she may be elected the next president of the United States. I cannot think of another time this has happened under the modern electoral system. It is staggering.

Gerald Ford actually did become President .... without ever having won a single delegate in a contested election to determine a party nominee.

 

[LibertyVol]

I think it’s combination of liberal propaganda and the overall ignorance of democrats as a whole. She’s a freaking clown and the whole world knows it.
She’s Mtn Dew Camacho in real life

She is a whore. But at least she is not a cheap whore. And as far as I know she is not a traitor. I saw pictures of her when she was young. She was a beautiful woman. I don’t know that I blame her for being a whore. She doesn’t have any brains, so she used what she had to get ahead. And it has worked.

 

[hog88]

Is that as crazy as this?

50 years ago next month, Gerald Ford ascended to the presidency without ever having been elected either the President or Vice President ..... and then he abruptly pardoned the man who had appointed him Vice President, and later resigned allowing him to become President. Ford was basically force-fed to the American people.

^^^^ Now, that really was a circumvention of the democratic process. ^^^^

LOL, no that is the way the constitution and rules of succession work.

 

[Orangeburst]

He’s really pissed off,” said a person in touch with Biden’s inner circle.

Burn em down with your TV speech. Wont happen, but a guy can dream.

 

[hog88]

Gerald Ford actually did become President .... without ever having won a single delegate in a contested election to determine a party nominee.

Every time you say it you just look dumber.

 

[BowlBrother85]

LOL, no that is the way the constitution and rules of succession work.

I didn't say that it was illegal or Un-Constitutional ... but it was a circumvention of the democratic process.

There is nothing illegal or Un-Constitutional about Joe Biden declining to accept his party's nomination either.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Every time you say it you just look dumber.

Every time you are critical of what I said ..... you are failing reading comprehension. I never said that it was illegal or Un-Constitutional. I said it circumvented democracy and it did.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Every time you say it you just look dumber.

I bet he'll tell us this again 4x before the day is over bc he's so redundant.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Gerald Ford actually did become President .... without ever having won a single delegate in a contested election to determine a party nominee.

Yes, in accordance with the 25th Amendment. He became VP due to section 2. He then became President due to Section 1. That is established Constitutional procedure, and it is distinctly different than Harris' situation. However, he never RAN for president without winning a primary.

If Harris becomes President because the 25th is invoked, I am fine with that. If she becomes President because Section 1 needs to take effect, so be it. The way she is about to become the party's nominee, after the coordinated democratic effort to manipulate their primary processes and then to shove aside their candidate because he is losing? Well, IMO, that destroys every Jan6/stolen democracy/broken norms argument the Dems have against the Rep. nominee.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I bet he'll tell us this again 4x before the day is over bc he's so redundant.

I bet that you still don't realize that I never said that Ford's ascension to the presidency was either illegal or Un-Constitutional. I said that it circumvented democracy. It did.

 

[hog88]

I didn't say that it was illegal or Un-Constitutional ... but it was a circumvention of the democratic process.

There is nothing illegal or Un-Constitutional about Joe Biden declining to accept his party's nomination either.

No, it was not a circumvention of the democratic process. It went down just as prescribed by the rules.

I agree, the shot callers within the DNC can select the candidate of their choosing. Nothing illegal about that.

 

[Carl Pickens]

She is a whore. But at least she is not a cheap whore. And as far as I know she is not a traitor. I saw pictures of her when she was young. She was a beautiful woman. I don’t know that I blame her for being a whore. She doesn’t have any brains, so she used what she had to get ahead. And it has worked.

It must have been some good stuff

 

[hog88]

Every time you are critical of what I said ..... you are failing reading comprehension. I never said that it was illegal or Un-Constitutional. I said it circumvented democracy and it did.

No, it didn't "circumvent democracy". The Senate confirmed Ford as VP and that is the process after the VP resigned.