2024 Presidential Race

[hog88]

So if speech is deemed to injure another person, it should be illegal?

It already is illegal.

 

[Orangeburst]

Not true. You have been fooled with coachspeak.

You are talking to a guy who didnt know who Antifa was, or heard of several other incriminating people or issues when it is convenient, yet knows anything about Project 2025.

 

[Vol8188]

Trump is 100% in on project 2025. He is straight up lying when he claims otherwise.

And your evidence for this is?

 

[volfanhill]

It already is illegal.

He's going to argue that if someone is called a slur that is injuring them and should be against the law

 

[Vol8188]

He's going to argue that if someone is called a slur that is injuring them and should be against the law

Luther called me dumb once. I’m not certain I’ll ever recover, but his government pension would be a solid start in my recovery

 

[luthervol]

It already is illegal.

So if hate speech is deemed to hurt another person, it is already illegal? Or it should be illegal?
Or is it your position that hate speech can never be deemed to hurt another person?

 

[luthervol]

He's going to argue that if someone is called a slur that is injuring them and should be against the law

Not really. I'm going to ask if that is a possibility that should be considered.

 

[hog88]

So if hate speech is deemed to hurt another person, it is already illegal? Or it should be illegal?
Or is it your position that hate speech can never be deemed to hurt another person?

Hate speech alone cannot hurt another person

 

[volfanhill]

Not really. I'm going to ask if that is a possibility that should be considered.

Absolutely not. In fact, we should fight with every fiber of our republic, to NOT consider such an absurd idea.

 

[volfanhill]

Hate speech alone cannot hurt another person

But what if

 

[dovervolz]

Trump is 100% in on project 2025. He is straight up lying when he claims otherwise.

So you're saying Trump claiming he's not supporting project 2025 and he's lying according you. Is kamho lying when she says she doesn't support a ban on fracking?

 

[luthervol]

Hate speech alone cannot hurt another person

Says you?
I don't know, maybe it can.

 

[hog88]

Says you?
I don't know, maybe it can.

How?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Why are bomb threats against the law? And is that an appropriate restriction on free speech?

The law is already well defined when dealing with threatening speech and virtually no on fromeither party has any problem with that so I feel you are throwing out red herrings. The question we are facing in America right now is if the government can restrict non violent speech or opinions under the guise of either „hate speech“ or „disinformation“. And of course, such determinations would be made by the government which clearly is contrary to both the spirit and the letter of the first Amendment.
And only one party is pushing for that right now. And any serious student of history knows what hat kind of governments rely on such tactics (hint; it is NEVER the good guys).

 

[OrangeTsar]

Trump is 100% in on project 2025. He is straight up lying when he claims otherwise.

So you will take ANY disavowal of liberal positions by Kamala (including ones she is on record previously supporting) at face value; but expect us to assume that something Trump disavows is automatically a lie?

 

[Vol8188]

So you will take ANY disavowal of liberal positions by Kamala (including ones she is on record previously supporting) at face value; but expect us to assume that something Trump disavows is automatically a lie?

Not only did he oppose it, he never supported it. But Luther won’t let facts get in his way

 

[OrangeTsar]

Huh?
Bannon/Stone/Manafort - the trumpian holy trinity. Ring a bell?????

What office are those individuals running for so I can be sure to not vote for them?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Not only did he oppose it, he never supported it. But Luther won’t let facts get in his way

The thing people attacking Project 2025 will never acknowledge are the dozens of other policy recommendation papers put out by other think tanks; both right wing and left wing. Most of them get ignored. I guarantee you that I could find plenty of recommendations from leftist think tanks that almost any American would find absolutely abhorrent.

 

[Vol8188]

Huh?
Bannon/Stone/Manafort - the trumpian holy trinity. Ring a bell?????

Does that mean Harris believes everything the people around her believe too?

 

[luthervol]

So you're saying Trump claiming he's not supporting project 2025 and he's lying according you. Is kamho lying when she says she doesn't support a ban on fracking?

Don't know. Maybe.

 

[volfanhill]

How?

Luther half way down the European slide of punishing citizens for saying “hurtful” things about immigrants that the government doesn't like.

 

[C-south]

So if hate speech is deemed to hurt another person, it is already illegal? Or it should be illegal?
Or is it your position that hate speech can never be deemed to hurt another person?

There is no such thing as “hate speech”. If something someone says hurts your feelings tough s***.

 

[InVOLuntary]

They amped the pressure until he finally relented to their demands. He didn’t decide, he was forced.

They threatened the 25th.

 

[luthervol]

So you will take ANY disavowal of liberal positions by Kamala (including ones she is on record previously supporting) at face value; but expect us to assume that something Trump disavows is automatically a lie?

I don't assume trumpers will, otherwise they wouldn't be trumpers to begin with.
Project 2025 was written by the staunchest of trumpers.

 

[luthervol]

Does that mean Harris believes everything the people around her believe too?

I would say that the 3 people she most closely aligned with would provide a fair representation of her views.