2024 Presidential Race

[hog88]

You're missing the point. "Being your own man" is not a good thing if you're being a POS by being your own man. Trump falls into that category.

Being a POS isn't a good thing regardless of which of the 2 genders a person falls in.

 

[Sea Ray]

Is it though? Doesn't it have to depend on what they're doing with that rugged independence? Charles Manson was his own man. Was that as good thing?

Consider this post ignored. I’m not comparing any present day politician with Manson. You can’t be reasoned with

 

[Sandman 423]

That just means that Trump is his own person and not beholden to anyone. I think that's a trait to be admired

Jackson, Grant, and Franklin would disagree .

 

[hog88]

Consider this post ignored. I’m not comparing any present day politician with Manson. You can’t be reasoned with

It's actually not a bad comparison comparing Manson to career politicians. Both are egotistical psychopaths who live for admiration, lie to develop a following, have their followers finance their lifestyles and have others do their dirty work.

 

[Sea Ray]

It's actually not a bad comparison comparing Manson to career politicians. Both are egotistical psychopaths who live for admiration, lie to develop a following, have their followers finance their lifestyles and have others do their dirty work.

You’re forgetting the bit about mass murder. Nothing Trump or Harris has done compares to what Manson and his people did to Sharon Tate and others. Nothing

 

[just bob]

It's actually not a bad comparison comparing Manson to career politicians. Both are egotistical psychopaths who live for admiration, lie to develop a following, have their followers finance their lifestyles and have others do their dirty work.

Every politician is an egotistical psychopath. You have to be nowadays to run.

 

[evillawyer]

Consider this post ignored. I’m not comparing any present day politician with Manson. You can’t be reasoned with

Your point was Trump is preferable because he's his own man. My point is that, in and of itself, it is not a good thing (or bad thing). It depends on what you do with it. People who are their "own man" may be impervious to facts and thr revision of their own false beliefs. That is not a good thing.

 

[Sea Ray]

Your point was Trump is preferable because he's his own man. My point is that, in and of itself, it is not a good thing (or bad thing). It depends on what you do with it. People who are their "own man" may be impervious to facts and thr revision of their own false beliefs. That is not a good thing.

Don’t invoke a mass murderer to make that point if you want to be taken seriously. I know you weren’t alive when Helter Skelter took place but you severely underestimated the blood spilled

 

[hog88]

You’re forgetting the bit about mass murder. Nothing Trump or Harris has done compares to what Manson and his people did to Sharon Tate and others. Nothing

Politicians (not talking about Trump or Harris in particular) have caused more mass murder than Manson could dream about.

 

[evillawyer]

Don’t invoke a mass murderer to make that point if you want to be taken seriously. I know you weren’t alive when Helter Skelter took place but you severely underestimated the blood spilled

This is a valid form of argument. If your point is that being your own man is an unvarnished good and I can show you someone who EVERYONE agrees was "his own man" and who EVERYONE agrees was a POS, then it is clear that someone being their own man is not a good thing, in and of itself.

 

[tvolsfan]

Sort of like JFK and Robert Kennedy?

Sure. Don’t vote for JFK this year.

 

[tvolsfan]

Government + Speed+ Accuracy= LOL!!!

I'm all about getting people on the roles so that they can have a say in how their taxes are wasted, but not at the expense of doing it correctly.

Is there evidence they aren’t doing it correctly? Or just fear mongering?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Is it though? Doesn't it have to depend on what they're doing with that rugged independence? Charles Manson was his own man. Was that as good thing?

Far from your best take buttercup.

 

[utvolpj]

Consider this post ignored. I’m not comparing any present day politician with Manson. You can’t be reasoned with

Probably not fair to Manson given the millions of innocent deaths caused by modern day politicians

 

[hog88]

This is a valid form of argument. If your point is that being your own man is an unvarnished good and I can show you someone who EVERYONE agrees was "his own man" and who EVERYONE agrees was a POS, then it is clear that someone being their own man is not a good thing, in and of itself.

I'd argue that Manson wasn't his "own man". He was more of a leach that depended on women for his livelihood.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Consider this post ignored. I’m not comparing any present day politician with Manson. You can’t be reasoned with

This shouldn't surprise you from her. The extreme left (democratic party is no more), is calling politicians "Hitler" and their supporters "nazis."

There is no comparison. It's so asinine, you think they would actually notice how ignorant they look saying it.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I'd argue that Manson wasn't his "own man". He was more of a leach that depended on women for his livelihood.

Ole "Kept Man" Charlie.

 

[Ritzwatch]

This is a valid form of argument. If your point is that being your own man is an unvarnished good and I can show you someone who EVERYONE agrees was "his own man" and who EVERYONE agrees was a POS, then it is clear that someone being their own man is not a good thing, in and of itself.

In b4 the forum shows up to accuse you of self-reflection.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Sure. Don’t vote for JFK this year.

Shucks! There goes THAT plan

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[OrangeTsar]

Challenge for the Harris voters out there. Please give me your best pitch as to WHY I should vote for Harris. Please be specific with policies. The catch? You are not allowed to use the words “Trump”, “Joy”, or “New Direction”. Pretend that Trump isn’t even running. Sell me on YOUR candidate

 

[tvolsfan]

Challenge for the Harris voters out there. Please give me your best pitch as to WHY I should vote for Harris. Please be specific with policies. The catch? You are not allowed to use the words “Trump”, “Joy”, or “New Direction”. Pretend that Trump isn’t even running. Sell me on YOUR candidate

1. It’s dumb to pretend we shouldn’t vote for Harris because we want to vote against someone. Especially when that someone is a mentally unstable person with a cult following. This isn’t some gotcha, it’s stupid.
2. I’m left of center on then American political spectrum and I want democratic policies and judges.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

1. It’s dumb to pretend we shouldn’t vote for Harris because we want to vote against someone. Especially when that someone is a mentally unstable person with a cult following. This isn’t some gotcha, it’s stupid.
2. I’m left of center on then American political spectrum and I want democratic policies and judges.

I will now be voting for Kamala after reading this persuasive post. Good stuff buddy.

 

[utvolpj]

1. It’s dumb to pretend we shouldn’t vote for Harris because we want to vote against someone. Especially when that someone is a mentally unstable person with a cult following. This isn’t some gotcha, it’s stupid.
2. I’m left of center on then American political spectrum and I want democratic policies and judges.

You want Democrat policies and judges. There's a difference in what you wrote and most aren't just left of center

 

[tvolsfan]

You want Democrat policies and judges. There's a difference in what you wrote and most aren't just left of center

Okay