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Just saw this today on Swartz and I'm still surprised we allegedly dropped him after the Peach Jam.
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I saw Andrew Slater say he finished EYBL around 32% from 3, also saw Adam Finkelstein (247 national guy) say today that efficiency is the question with him. Don’t know that it was the reasoning, or if it was a part, but sounds a bit like he somewhat had turned into a volume shooter/scorer, which isn’t something that typically has been attractive to Barnes.
 
I saw Andrew Slater say he finished EYBL around 32% from 3, also saw Adam Finkelstein (247 national guy) say today that efficiency is the question with him. Don’t know that it was the reasoning, or if it was a part, but sounds a bit like he somewhat had turned into a volume shooter/scorer, which isn’t something that typically has been attractive to Barnes.
The On3 four-star plays his high school ball at Concord (NC) Cannon School, where he averaged 23 points, leading his team to 28 wins and a spot in the North Carolina state playoffs. Swartz added 7.5 assists and shot 42 percent from three, earning Conference Player of the Year and first-team All-State honors.

“Playing on the Nike Circuit, it’s been great, but I’ve been able to showcase I’m more than just a shooter,” Swartz told On3. “You can’t be one-dimensional in college, and that has been the biggest thing I’ve been able to show. I watch a lot of Devin Booker; I think his game and mind have a lot of similarities. He likes to get into the mid-range. When shots aren’t falling, I know I can get to that mid-range and get to the free-throw line to start and get things going. The footwork and his ability to create space, that’s a lot of what I try to do.”

In 17 regular season games on Nike’s EYBL Circuit, Swartz averaged 21.0 points, good for third overall. He shot 37.2 percent from three on 8.1 attempts per game.
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In the above article, it says he shot 37.2% on 8.1 3s per game in EYBL, which is pretty good for that number of attempts. Vescovi shot 37% on 7.5 attempts/gm, last year, for example. Also states he shot 42% during his high school season.
 
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In the above article, it says he shot 37.2% on 8.1 3s per game in EYBL, which is pretty good for that number of attempts. Vescovi shot 37% on 7.5 attempts/gm, last year, for example. Also states he shot 42% during his high school season.
Guessing it plummeted during peach jam then, which is also when Tennessee coincidentally dropped him iirc. I didn’t look at game by game stats, but that’s what was said is he finished at 32% from deep. And 42% at a smaller high school doesn’t mean much to me if it’s 32% at the EYBL level, I also wouldn’t compare EYBL to SEC play, but to each their own.
 
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Guessing it plummeted during peach jam then, which is also when Tennessee coincidentally dropped him iirc. I didn’t look at game by game stats, but that’s what was said is he finished at 32% from deep. And 42% at a smaller high school doesn’t mean much to me if it’s 32% at the EYBL level, I also wouldn’t compare EYBL to SEC play, but to each their own.
I'm not saying that it's exactly like for like, but it's also long-distance shooting %s. That skill is pretty translatable. You can either shoot or you can't. I'm just using it to illustrate how that 37% figure compares to one of the best shooters in the SEC.

I'm not sure why you are so quick to accept the 32% figure as gospel and dismiss the 37% figure I provided except that it paints our staff's decision to allegedly pass on him in a better light.
 
I'm not saying that it's exactly like for like, but it's also long-distance shooting %s. That skill is pretty translatable. You can either shoot or you can't. I'm just using it to illustrate how that 37% figure compares to one of the best shooters in the SEC.

I'm not sure why you are so quick to accept the 32% figure as gospel and dismiss the 37% figure I provided except that it paints our staff's decision to allegedly pass on him in a better light.

I disagree that it’s translatable, huge difference, Uros Plavsic was shooting 3’s while at HHCA, I don’t think that exactly translated to similar at Tennessee. There’s tons of examples of guys being above average 3pt shooters in HS and completely fall off when entering college.

The 37% number going around states that it’s regular season EYBL games, Slater’s post about 32% was after the Peach Jam, I would say both numbers are probably accurate (Slater is as locked in as anyone) and that it just depends on which number, time period, you want to use.

As for passing on him, this staff has proven time and time again that they likely shouldn’t be questioned when it comes to managing a roster. Every time someone scratches their head or starts to worry about a class they are made to look like fools, but if that’s what you want to do go for.

However let’s dive into Swartz a bit and look at some facts and then you can draw your own conclusion…we are recruiting him hard, he’s visited and consistently names us as a Top 2-3 school recruiting him the hardest. In late June he mentions Tennessee, Clemson, UCONN & Virginia Tech as the school he’s mostly considering and among those recruiting him the hardest. He then heads to Peach Jam, where according to the stats he doesn’t shoot very well at all as competition picks up. Coming out of Peach Jam he releases a Top 8 which doesn’t include Tennessee (a school consistently among his Top 2-3), he includes Miami (a school not mentioned with him much at all before), and those connected to Tennessee say that our staff opted to pass on him. He takes 1 OV after Peach Jam and that’s to Miami and he quickly commits after that visit. As we all know Miami has no issues paying/bidding for players in the NIL world and that they are often the highest bidders, we’ve lost a few in football to them for that reason.

Draw whatever you want from that, if you want to say our staff missed on him completely go ahead. Personally I think it’s much more likely that our staff saw him struggle a bit at Peach Jam, caught wind that he was being shopped around and decided that they were no longer interested in him.
 
I disagree that it’s translatable, huge difference, Uros Plavsic was shooting 3’s while at HHCA, I don’t think that exactly translated to similar at Tennessee. There’s tons of examples of guys being above average 3pt shooters in HS and completely fall off when entering college.

The 37% number going around states that it’s regular season EYBL games, Slater’s post about 32% was after the Peach Jam, I would say both numbers are probably accurate (Slater is as locked in as anyone) and that it just depends on which number, time period, you want to use.

As for passing on him, this staff has proven time and time again that they likely shouldn’t be questioned when it comes to managing a roster. Every time someone scratches their head or starts to worry about a class they are made to look like fools, but if that’s what you want to do go for.

However let’s dive into Swartz a bit and look at some facts and then you can draw your own conclusion…we are recruiting him hard, he’s visited and consistently names us as a Top 2-3 school recruiting him the hardest. In late June he mentions Tennessee, Clemson, UCONN & Virginia Tech as the school he’s mostly considering and among those recruiting him the hardest. He then heads to Peach Jam, where according to the stats he doesn’t shoot very well at all as competition picks up. Coming out of Peach Jam he releases a Top 8 which doesn’t include Tennessee (a school consistently among his Top 2-3), he includes Miami (a school not mentioned with him much at all before), and those connected to Tennessee say that our staff opted to pass on him. He takes 1 OV after Peach Jam and that’s to Miami and he quickly commits after that visit. As we all know Miami has no issues paying/bidding for players in the NIL world and that they are often the highest bidders, we’ve lost a few in football to them for that reason.

Draw whatever you want from that, if you want to say our staff missed on him completely go ahead. Personally I think it’s much more likely that our staff saw him struggle a bit at Peach Jam, caught wind that he was being shopped around and decided that they were no longer interested in him.
It seems to me like Tennessee uses their NIL dollars very judiciously in all the major sports and does not get into too many bidding wars.
 
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I disagree that it’s translatable, huge difference, Uros Plavsic was shooting 3’s while at HHCA, I don’t think that exactly translated to similar at Tennessee. There’s tons of examples of guys being above average 3pt shooters in HS and completely fall off when entering college.

The 37% number going around states that it’s regular season EYBL games, Slater’s post about 32% was after the Peach Jam, I would say both numbers are probably accurate (Slater is as locked in as anyone) and that it just depends on which number, time period, you want to use.

As for passing on him, this staff has proven time and time again that they likely shouldn’t be questioned when it comes to managing a roster. Every time someone scratches their head or starts to worry about a class they are made to look like fools, but if that’s what you want to do go for.

However let’s dive into Swartz a bit and look at some facts and then you can draw your own conclusion…we are recruiting him hard, he’s visited and consistently names us as a Top 2-3 school recruiting him the hardest. In late June he mentions Tennessee, Clemson, UCONN & Virginia Tech as the school he’s mostly considering and among those recruiting him the hardest. He then heads to Peach Jam, where according to the stats he doesn’t shoot very well at all as competition picks up. Coming out of Peach Jam he releases a Top 8 which doesn’t include Tennessee (a school consistently among his Top 2-3), he includes Miami (a school not mentioned with him much at all before), and those connected to Tennessee say that our staff opted to pass on him. He takes 1 OV after Peach Jam and that’s to Miami and he quickly commits after that visit. As we all know Miami has no issues paying/bidding for players in the NIL world and that they are often the highest bidders, we’ve lost a few in football to them for that reason.

Draw whatever you want from that, if you want to say our staff missed on him completely go ahead. Personally I think it’s much more likely that our staff saw him struggle a bit at Peach Jam, caught wind that he was being shopped around and decided that they were no longer interested in him.
Your first sentence is a terrible example, though. Uros wasn't a renowned 3-pt shooter just because he shot a few in high school, and that fact alone didn't make him a shooter. For players who shooting is their main ability, that skill generally translates. The same way it does for guys coming out of college drafted to be 3-and-D players in the NBA. Not always, like with most everything there are exceptions.

I'm not saying the staff just flat missed on him. I'm just saying I've seen no tangible evidence that we recruited him like he was one of our highest priorities and then suddenly cut him off because he shot poorly in a small sample size at Peach Jam, which is part of the EYBL Circuit. He shot 138 3s across the 17 regular season games during EYBL, and shot 37.2% on those attempts. That's impressive no matter how you slice it. Including Peach Jam, he averaged 18.9 points across 24 games, where he admittedly played/shot poorly. Peach Jam is a 5-game sample size, so my apologies if I'm skeptical that we just cut off all communication because he had a bad stretch across such a small sample size.

I'm fine with thinking something behind the scenes turned us off. I just don't believe we simply stopped recruiting him because he performed poorly in 5 games.
 
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Your first sentence is a terrible example, though. Uros wasn't a renowned 3-pt shooter just because he shot a few in high school, and that fact alone didn't make him a shooter. For players who shooting is their main ability, that skill generally translates. The same way it does for guys coming out of college drafted to be 3-and-D players in the NBA. Not always, like with most everything there are exceptions.

I'm not saying the staff just flat missed on him. I'm just saying I've seen no tangible evidence that we recruited him like he was one of our highest priorities and then suddenly cut him off because he shot poorly in a small sample size at Peach Jam, which is part of the EYBL Circuit. He shot 138 3s across the 17 regular season games during EYBL, and shot 37.2% on those attempts. That's impressive no matter how you slice it. Including Peach Jam, he averaged 18.9 points across 24 games, where he admittedly played/shot poorly. Peach Jam is a 5-game sample size, so my apologies if I'm skeptical that we just cut off all communication because he had a bad stretch across such a small sample size.

I'm fine with thinking something behind the scenes turned us off. I just don't believe we simply stopped recruiting him because he performed poorly in 5 games.
Where did anyone say that was the case? A month ago you were also verbally skeptical that something was going on behind the scenes when folks were suggesting just that as a possibility. Now it’s added in that he shot poorly, scouts questioned his efficiency at Peach Jam, and you don’t think that’s the reason either. Like I’ve said, evidence sure seems to suggest much more that we chose to go another direction for whatever the reason/combination of reasons may be, rather than to think he just up and cut us from his Top 8 and committed to a school he wasn’t previously mentioning.
 
It seems to me like Tennessee uses their NIL dollars very judiciously in all the major sports and does not get into too many bidding wars.
Very much so, I’ll speak just to basketball, but Barnes absolutely refuses to get into bidding wars or just pay what a guy wants for a commitment. Collectives are starting to get a good idea on what market value is, and Tennessee will pay that no problem, but they aren’t going to just bid away to get a guy.
 
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Where did anyone say that was the case? A month ago you were also verbally skeptical that something was going on behind the scenes when folks were suggesting just that as a possibility. Now it’s added in that he shot poorly, scouts questioned his efficiency at Peach Jam, and you don’t think that’s the reason either. Like I’ve said, evidence sure seems to suggest much more that we chose to go another direction for whatever the reason/combination of reasons may be, rather than to think he just up and cut us from his Top 8 and committed to a school he wasn’t previously mentioning.
You certainly implied that his performance at Peach Jam, a 5-gm sample, coincided with Tennessee dropping him, perhaps in combination with any alleged impropriety related to NIL demands.

And yes, I was skeptical that something like that could manifest itself so abruptly when there hadn't apparently been much there to that extent beforehand. That isn't exactly an unreasonable skepticism.

All of the above has nothing to do with his actual shooting ability, which was the original topic I brought up.
 
You certainly implied that his performance at Peach Jam, a 5-gm sample, coincided with Tennessee dropping him, perhaps in combination with any alleged impropriety related to NIL demands.

And yes, I was skeptical that something like that could manifest itself so abruptly when there hadn't apparently been much there to that extent beforehand. That isn't exactly an unreasonable skepticism.

All of the above has nothing to do with his actual shooting ability, which was the original topic I brought up.
I literally said “I don’t know that it was the reason (why we cut him), or even part of it”…I was simply adding more context to his recruitment, and offering up additional possibilities as to why we may have cooled. Like I said nobody wanted to buy the “stuff going on behind the scenes” a month ago, but now think that could have some legs. Maybe it’s similar that nobody wants to buy his poor play at Peach Jam could have also cooled some schools on him.

Out of curiosity, what do YOU think happened with Tennessee & Swartz?
 
I literally said “I don’t know that it was the reason (why we cut him), or even part of it”…I was simply adding more context to his recruitment, and offering up additional possibilities as to why we may have cooled. Like I said nobody wanted to buy the “stuff going on behind the scenes” a month ago, but now think that could have some legs. Maybe it’s similar that nobody wants to buy his poor play at Peach Jam could have also cooled some schools on him.

Out of curiosity, what do YOU think happened with Tennessee & Swartz?
Again, the discussion was never intended to be about why Tennessee and Swartz parted ways. You're making it about that.
 
Again, the discussion was never intended to be about why Tennessee and Swartz parted ways. You're making it about that.
Huh?! Literally your first post that sparked the conversation…..“Just saw this today on Swartz and I'm still surprised we allegedly dropped him after the Peach Jam.”

I responded to that with some context about his poor shooting and Peach Jam performance, we had already discussed the likelihood that some other things had gone on behind the scenes.
 
Huh?! Literally your first post that sparked the conversation…..“Just saw this today on Swartz and I'm still surprised we allegedly dropped him after the Peach Jam.”

I responded to that with some context about his poor shooting and Peach Jam performance, we had already discussed the likelihood that some other things had gone on behind the scenes.
Right, but my intention was never really to get back into the weeds about what happened, why it happened, etc, with Tennessee and him parting ways. In hindsight, perhaps unintentionally, I was projecting that I didn't believe the split to be performance related and that article seemed to prop up that belief.

My purpose was simply noting that he apparently shot very well across a decent sized sample of games against good competition in EYBL over the summer. You then proceeded to downplay everything I said by qualifying it as being "small high school" and "not the same as SEC" and just generally arguing for arguments sake because you have a well-documented habit for taking any and all measures to defend every move made by this coaching regime. And I say that even as one of the biggest Rick Barnes supporters, myself.

I should have just ignored, but against my better judgement, I didn't, and here we are. So just know, I don't know why Tennessee might have moved on from him. I don't necessarily believe it to be performance related as his ranking hasn't dropped (in fact, it's increased or held steady across all platforms), and the stats across the broader spectrum of the entire AAU season...not just Peach Jam...seem to indicate he performed well.

There, that's my opinion.
 

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