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[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The same Dobbs that YOU TRASHED. Hooker is coming off an injury. That’s not an excuse but a fact. Dobbs has had plenty of opportunities to show his superstar potential as you call it. But he hasn’t. Why? Because he isn’t a superstar. There is nothing wrong with that. Playing QB in the NFL is very tough. Let’s see where Hooker is in year 8.

Hooker is 26 years old right now. Dobbs is 29. But the time Hooker gets to Year 8 he'll be knocking on the door to retirement.

Injury isn't an excuse in the NFL. They'll cut you just for not being available.

 

[chuckiepoo]

The same Dobbs that YOU TRASHED. Hooker is coming off an injury. That’s not an excuse but a fact. Dobbs has had plenty of opportunities to show his superstar potential as you call it. But he hasn’t. Why? Because he isn’t a superstar. There is nothing wrong with that. Playing QB in the NFL is very tough. Let’s see where Hooker is in year 8.

…whew. You should know better.

 

[utchs81]

D4H, If only you could buy him for what he is worth and then sell him for what he thinks he's worth, you would make a lot of money.

 

[hndog609]

Your hypocrisy is in applying my standards of let's wait and see when it suits you (i.e. Hendon Hooker) versus when it doesn't **** you (i.e. Dobbs). I actually like Hooker and think he'll play well this preseason and win the backup job. So in essence I agree with your position here. But that's cause I'm a guy who doesn't take NFL coaches, GMs, or scouts opinions on players as gospel. You see I'm consistent. I apply my eye test in evaluating all players including Dobbs and Hooker. The hypocrisy I'm exposing is the fact you're more than happy to tell me I'm wrong about Dobbs when he was stuck 3rd in the depth chart but when it's Hooker you now wanna wait and see.

I'm consistent at all times. You're not. You pick and choose when to trust the coaches and when it's too early and we gotta wait and see.

You're so comically and consistently backasswards on this I've reached the point of genuine astonishment. I'll posit you're struggling with any Hooker v Dobbs comparison made (which for, idk, at least the 4th time, was never MY real goal per usage of things like "any qb") because you're struggling to reconcile not only how wrong you were but how you went about being so wrong. See, here people have been simply offering that maybe, just maybe, a guy starting year 2 having literally one training camp due to injury and not even a single preseason snap to his name would probably qualify for a bit of the "we'll see" approach. Now let's compare that to you and this sort of thing.

Not even close. But then again you guys lack football acumen around here so I can't blame yall for not seeing the extraordinary talent that is Josh Dobbs.

The difference between me and yall is I don't focus on his few misses. I focus on the entire body of work.

In terms of TALENT, we have the most talented QB in the country. He'll win the SEC and national title next season. He'll be a first round pick.

If a team landed Randall Cunningham, Franco Harris, Darrelle Revis, and Dez Bryant in the same draft class, it would be legendary. That is what the Steelers potentially have done. Incredible situation for Dobbs to have not only early success but some incredible long-term success as well.

You just don't have an eye for talent.

Josh Dobbs is the best QB prospect to enter the NFL in my memory (which goes back to about 2003 when I began to follow the NFL draft).

All those other predictions were based on the fact I knew how great of a pro QB he would be. Because I knew Dobbs was a future NFL legend I thought he would also be a legend in college. But alas that is not what usually happens. Usually NFL legends are guys who don't win the heisman or national championship in college. Typically they have careers like Dobbs. They are individually great in college But it's the rest of the team or coaches that fail them.

I underestimated the fact it takes 11 guys on offense and defense as well as competent coaching to win championships in college. Dobbs at Tennessee like many eventual NFL legends was held back by his college coach and teammates (in Dobbs case the o-line). In Pittsburgh, he won't have those drawbacks. He will go to the most consistent franchise in the NFL since 1970. He's also gonna be surrounded by incredible talent on offense. And he came in with a great draft class that has a chance to be legendary.

Its inevitable that Dobbs becomes a superstar QB at Pittsburgh.

Do you grasp the great chasm between the two approaches? Now I'm sure you realize the above is just a "tip of the iceberg" representation. The explosive hubris of the rest of us not having the "football acumen" or "eye for talent" along with other examples (which are nigh endless btw, no really, seriously) of explaining all manner of things why you can justify being CERTAIN of an outcome based on what YOU have decided is the incontrovertible merit of your observation...and be demonstrably wrong about Sorry Slick, you are literally the least qualified person on this board to look down on anyone's POV.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You're so comically and consistently backasswards on this I've reached the point of genuine astonishment. I'll posit you're struggling with any Hooker v Dobbs comparison made (which for, idk, at least the 4th time, was never MY real goal per usage of things like "any qb") because you're struggling to reconcile not only how wrong you were but how you went about being so wrong. See, here people have been simply offering that maybe, just maybe, a guy starting year 2 having literally one training camp due to injury and not even a single preseason snap to his name would probably qualify for a bit of the "we'll see" approach. Now let's compare that to you and this sort of thing.

Do you grasp the great chasm between the two approaches? Now I'm sure you realize the above is just a "tip of the iceberg" representation. The explosive hubris of the rest of us not having the "football acumen" or "eye for talent" along with other examples (which are nigh endless btw, no really, seriously) of explaining all manner of things why you can justify being CERTAIN of an outcome based on what YOU have decided is the incontrovertible merit of your observation...and be demonstrably wrong about Sorry Slick, you are literally the least qualified person on this board to look down on anyone's POV.

Deflecting once again. If you want me to say I've been epically wrong about Dobbs thus far then so be it. My argument with you in this thread is not about my ability to evaluate talent or the lack thereof. My argument is with regard to why you are not holding Hooker to the same standards as Dobbs? Why are you not willing to admit that if Hooker loses the backup job this offseason that he's not as good as Dobbs who in Year 2 in a very similar situation won his backup competition. My entire argument with you has been about looking to the NFL to tell us who is better between Dobbs and Hooker. If Hooker can't even measure up to the paltry achievements Dobbs has gotten thus far in the NFL then my contention is he was not the more talented player but simply benefitted from better circumstances.

You keep trying to deflect to something that Im not even arguing about (i.e. my ability to evaluate talent) because you know I'm right about your hypocrisy here.

 

[hndog609]

Deflecting once again. If you want me to say I've been epically wrong about Dobbs thus far then so be it. My argument with you in this thread is not about my ability to evaluate talent or the lack thereof. My argument is with regard to why you are not holding Hooker to the same standards as Dobbs? Why are you not willing to admit that if Hooker loses the backup job this offseason that he's not as good as Dobbs who in Year 2 in a very similar situation won his backup competition. My entire argument with you has been about looking to the NFL to tell us who is better between Dobbs and Hooker. If Hooker can't even measure up to the paltry achievements Dobbs has gotten thus far in the NFL then my contention is he was not the more talented player but simply benefitted from better circumstances.

You keep trying to deflect to something that Im not even arguing about (i.e. my ability to evaluate talent) because you know I'm right about your hypocrisy here.

In...effing...credible. I simply refuse to even attempt to explain again (5th, 6th time?) how I'm not interested in comparing them at all at this point since Hooker's never even touched turf on a preseason game. You're a card carrying idjit to have even entertained that idea. Were I inclined to make such a comparison it'd be laughable to do so before the end of preseason. I'm iffy on not requiring 2 healthy off-seasons before thinking the comparison was really valid. If Hooker straight eats poop this preseason that'd lean things more to the negative. Otherwise it's a shrug and we go from there, including if he balls out. If so well done and all but hardly definitive for anything.

Honestly though your reverting to type regarding Josh has gone so hard here even if you aren't straight trolling it'd be a distinction without a difference. With that in mind any further replies will only be met by another great D4H observation from the past. They need not involve Josh of course. For instance here's another classic can being kicked down the road hoping things would change for you. (They didn't)

All I'm saying is give this time. I just watched some film of Kelvin Taylor last night and am still wowed at his skill level. I'm still confident he will shine when he gets that chance.

 

[LittleVol]

Looking for Omari Thomas to win the Outland Trophy this season.

And Pearce to win the Badnarik Award.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Were I inclined to make such a comparison it'd be laughable to do so before the end of preseason. I'm iffy on not requiring 2 healthy off-seasons before thinking the comparison was really valid. If Hooker straight eats poop this preseason that'd lean things more to the negative. Otherwise it's a shrug and we go from there, including if he balls out. If so well done and all but hardly definitive for anything.

Why is the lack of belief in Hooker by the coaches given the fact he's 3rd on the depth chart not relevant to you? Wasn't the lack of belief by coaches in Dobbs an indicator that my evaluation of his was wrong? Now all of a sudden Hooker running 3rd on the depth chart is irrelevant because we've not seen him play. But the coaches have. Why do you not trust their evaluation? You seemed to trust their lack of faith in Dobbs.

Secondly, I'm not telling you to agree with me on Dobbs being better than Hooker. I simply want you to acknowledge that if Hooker can't even match Dobbs paltry accomplishments in the NFL that would mean he wasn't the more talented player. All I'm asking is for you to accept the future as being relevant to the past. You seem to be running away from that. Just agree with me that if Hooker can't even become a competent backup in the NFL like Dobbs then he obviously wasn't the more talented player in college. I don't know why you're so scared to admit that.

 

[hndog609]

Why is the lack of belief in Hooker by the coaches given the fact he's 3rd on the depth chart not relevant to you? Wasn't the lack of belief by coaches in Dobbs an indicator that my evaluation of his was wrong? Now all of a sudden Hooker running 3rd on the depth chart is irrelevant because we've not seen him play. But the coaches have. Why do you not trust their evaluation? You seemed to trust their lack of faith in Dobbs.

Secondly, I'm not telling you to agree with me on Dobbs being better than Hooker. I simply want you to acknowledge that if Hooker can't even match Dobbs paltry accomplishments in the NFL that would mean he wasn't the more talented player. All I'm asking is for you to accept the future as being relevant to the past. You seem to be running away from that. Just agree with me that if Hooker can't even become a competent backup in the NFL like Dobbs then he obviously wasn't the more talented player in college. I don't know why you're so scared to admit that.

Explained repeatedly, assuming trolling.

Roquan Smith is trash. I've watched plenty of Bears games.

For those that don't know the guy with the "football acumen" and "eye for talent" just called a future multiple All Pro "trash".

 

[butchna]

Why is the lack of belief in Hooker by the coaches given the fact he's 3rd on the depth chart not relevant to you? Wasn't the lack of belief by coaches in Dobbs an indicator that my evaluation of his was wrong? Now all of a sudden Hooker running 3rd on the depth chart is irrelevant because we've not seen him play. But the coaches have. Why do you not trust their evaluation? You seemed to trust their lack of faith in Dobbs.

Secondly, I'm not telling you to agree with me on Dobbs being better than Hooker. I simply want you to acknowledge that if Hooker can't even match Dobbs paltry accomplishments in the NFL that would mean he wasn't the more talented player. All I'm asking is for you to accept the future as being relevant to the past. You seem to be running away from that. Just agree with me that if Hooker can't even become a competent backup in the NFL like Dobbs then he obviously wasn't the more talented player in college. I don't know why you're so scared to admit that.

The coaches have seen him PLAY in a NFL GAME…of any kind? How’d they manage that parlor trick? Since you’re a documentarian of all things Dobbs, you should remember even at UT, he was more a gamer than Milton level practice warrior…something he shares in common with Hooker. Now you’re conflating that similarity in a different direction by DECLARING him a third stringer before the FIRST preseason game of his career. Which you would have scathed anyone who brought it up with Dobbs time in Pittsburgh.

 

[chuckiepoo]

The coaches have seen him PLAY in a NFL GAME…of any kind? How’d they manage that parlor trick. Since you’re a documentarian of all things Dobbs, you should remember even at UT, he was more a gamer than Milton level practice warrior…something he’s shares in common with Hooker. Now you’re conflating that similarity in a different direction by DECLARING him a third stringer before the FIRST preseason game of his career. Which you would have scathed anyone who brought it up with Dobbs time in Pittsburgh.

Can I insert a “Dobbs sucks” just to stir the bottom of the pot?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Why is the lack of belief in Hooker by the coaches given the fact he's 3rd on the depth chart not relevant to you? Wasn't the lack of belief by coaches in Dobbs an indicator that my evaluation of his was wrong? Now all of a sudden Hooker running 3rd on the depth chart is irrelevant because we've not seen him play. But the coaches have. Why do you not trust their evaluation? You seemed to trust their lack of faith in Dobbs.

Secondly, I'm not telling you to agree with me on Dobbs being better than Hooker. I simply want you to acknowledge that if Hooker can't even match Dobbs paltry accomplishments in the NFL that would mean he wasn't the more talented player. All I'm asking is for you to accept the future as being relevant to the past. You seem to be running away from that. Just agree with me that if Hooker can't even become a competent backup in the NFL like Dobbs then he obviously wasn't the more talented player in college. I don't know why you're so scared to admit that.

Hooker's NFL career hasn't even started so therw is nothing really to compare to at this point. Dobbs' NFL career has been one mostly of trying to stay on rosters, so that bar is pretty low

 

[hndog609]

The coaches have seen him PLAY in a NFL GAME…of any kind? How’d they manage that parlor trick. Since you’re a documentarian of all things Dobbs, you should remember even at UT, he was more a gamer than Milton level practice warrior…something he’s shares in common with Hooker. Now you’re conflating that similarity in a different direction by DECLARING him a third stringer before the FIRST preseason game of his career. Which you would have scathed anyone who brought it up with Dobbs time in Pittsburgh.

I posted about it earlier, which he of course sidestepped. If anyone in here had declared Hooker the test tube baby amalgamation of Jordan, Gretzky, Manning, Montana & Cunningham before he'd even left college and winning Super Bowls as a rookie then they'd be feeling more pressure. That's exactly what he did with Josh so he himself set the insane parameters to be met and on a basically instant gratification time frame. (at first anyway, the can kicking hadn't started circumnavigating the globe in those heady days) That's all on him. Nobody needs to play duck and dodge regarding a player who literally has yet to even play out his first preseason.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Explained repeatedly, assuming trolling.


For those that don't know the guy with the "football acumen" and "eye for talent" just called a future multiple All Pro "trash".

You haven't explained anything. That's why you keep deflecting to past player evaluations that were wrong on my part. Classic sign of someone who knows they've lost the argument so they try to direct everyone's attention to a completely unrelated issue.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Now you’re conflating that similarity in a different direction by DECLARING him a third stringer before the FIRST preseason game of his career.

I've declared nothing of the sort. I know Hooker's a gamer. And I've said I expect him to play well in the preseason and win the backup job. But that's cause I'm consistent. I didn't believe the coaches when they said Dobbs couldn't play because he wasn't good at practice. All I've been doing in this thread is trying to expose yalls hypocrisy. When Dobbs was struggling to move up the depth chart in practice that was according to yall a sign he wasn't that good of a player. Now that Hooker's in the same position all of a sudden the evaluation of the coaches isn't that important and instead we must wait and see before making any significant declarations.


I'm just trying to get yall to be consistent with your past views.

 

[hndog609]

You haven't explained anything. That's why you keep deflecting to past player evaluations that were wrong on my part. Classic sign of someone who knows they've lost the argument so they try to direct everyone's attention to a completely unrelated issue.

More trolling. Not only explained by me but others as well.

Here's one for the Lion's fans in general.

I ain't backing off my Jared Goff take one inch. I still believe he is trash. He's a bust. And just as Dak Prescott was eventually exposed as a mediocre talent who was made to look better than he really was by the talent around him, the same will be true of Jared Goff in due time.

Just wait until he's off that rookie deal and they don't have a super team surrounding him. That is when the real Jared Goff will be exposed. Just as the real Dak Prescott has been exposed the last year or so.

Since his rookie season Goff is averaging over 4k passing and 26td's a season and been to 3 Pro Bowls. Just signed off on a 4yr 212 million extension.

 

[chuckiepoo]

You haven't explained anything. That's why you keep deflecting to past player evaluations that were wrong on my part. Classic sign of someone who knows they've lost the argument so they try to direct everyone's attention to a completely unrelated issue.

Unrelated issue? We started off trying to talk about the D-line.

 

[WillisWG]

Nice read on Moi

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Tennessee defensive lineman Jaxson Moi is exceeding Rodney Garner's expectations in his first fall camp in Knoxville.

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[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

More trolling. Not only explained by me but others as well.

Then why the deflections to irrelevant points? That's what someone does when they're losing a debate. When you're winning your keep repeating your winning argument bludgeoning your opponent with it until they relent. You've been doing the opposite. You're trying to take everyone's attention away from the topic at hand and instead focus on my past predictions. Classic sign of someone who is losing.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Unrelated issue? We started off trying to talk about the D-line.

I agree. This thread should be about our d-line and not Hooker or Dobbs. But others have taken us down that road. And now they wanna take us down the road of my takes on the likes of Jared Goff and Roquan Smith.

 

[hndog609]

Then why the deflections to irrelevant points? That's what someone does when they're losing a debate. When you're winning your keep repeating your winning argument bludgeoning your opponent with it until they relent. You've been doing the opposite. You're trying to take everyone's attention away from the topic at hand and instead focus on my past predictions. Classic sign of someone who is losing.

Covered the ever loving hell out of the topic and it's just you trolling since you can't make it work for you. The rest is for the amusement of deconstructing your "eye" and "acumen" for those that don't know your schtick and a fond look back for those that do.

Ramsey while incredibly athletic lacks the insticts of an elite DB and also has subpar lateral agility for a CB. I believe he has a career similar to Antonio Cromartie. He'll be a solid 10 year starter. He'll make a pro bowl or two. But he won't be an elite Darrelle Revis type corner.

Good call on Jalen Ramsey and his 7 Pro Bowls and 3 1st Team All Pros.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Covered the ever loving hell out of the topic and it's just you trolling since you can't make it work for you. The rest is for the amusement of deconstructing your "eye" and "acumen" for those that don't know your schtick and a fond look back for those that do.

Good call on Jalen Ramsey and his 7 Pro Bowls and 3 1st Team All Pros.

I feel like I’ve been properly indoctrinated to the FF and now will consider myself, one of us…

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

Why do you do this

He only comes around when we are doing well and have some pre season hype. Then bashes everyone including him/herself, then goes into hiding until the cycle repeats

 

[butchna]

Can I insert a “Dobbs sucks” just to stir the bottom of the pot?

Stir em if you got em.

 

[butchna]

I've declared nothing of the sort. I know Hooker's a gamer. And I've said I expect him to play well in the preseason and win the backup job. But that's cause I'm consistent. I didn't believe the coaches when they said Dobbs couldn't play because he wasn't good at practice. All I've been doing in this thread is trying to expose yalls hypocrisy. When Dobbs was struggling to move up the depth chart in practice that was according to yall a sign he wasn't that good of a player. Now that Hooker's in the same position all of a sudden the evaluation of the coaches isn't that important and instead we must wait and see before making any significant declarations.


I'm just trying to get yall to be consistent with your past views.

You’re reinventing the wheel by making it rounder.