50-50 chance of catastrophic radiation leak?

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Voltrapnbama said:
Just heard them swing water was low and pressure was rising
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They may have to start venting. That in itself is manageable, but they will have to take ventilation precautions that they failed to take for reactors 1 and 3 to mitigate against hydrogen buildup. I think that the situation is progressing so much more slowly at 5 and 6 that the volumes being released will be low and therefore they hydrogen will be less of a concern. Honestly, at this point, they may just be able to relieve the pressure for now by venting into the primary containment and letting the water condense into the wetwell.
 
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oklavol said:
Hey shouldnt you be on CNN or CBS answering questions about Nuclear Meltdowns instead of on volnation? :ermm:
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I'm a Vol fan first :). No..they clearly have the experts (for the most part) on. I'm more handsome than I am more knowledgeable than most of these guys, and I'm not much to look at.
 
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TennTradition said:
That is a common thought - however, the electric company knows this plant, their operators know the plant, etc. The government should be intimately tied in with the efforts at the plant (i.e., representatives there to oversee); but, I think that it is probably the right thing for the electric company to continue carrying out the efforts.

One thing that is unclear to me is how integrated the government is with the operations at the site.

I will say that they should be getting some manpower help at this point, though...for things that don't require direct knowledge of the plant.
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I agree.. I think your right about them knowing the plant.. I also agree the government should be tied in and they probably are. All valid points
Thanks for the QandA
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TennTradition said:
I'm a Vol fan first :). No..they clearly have the experts (for the most part) on. I'm more handsome than I am more knowledgeable than most of these guys, and I'm not much to look at.
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Yeah.. all the experts are split on what to do as well as how bad it is.
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Volst53 said:
This is a crazy thought and I'm sure it would never work, but why not make make a huge metal pipe drop it close to the pools by chopper and then start pumping water through the pipe.
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Using which pump? Made of what kind of metal? It's getting hot in there. You don't want it to melt. Also, you would need a full piping system - it would most likely be too stiff to bring in without damaging it. The ability to use hose is very limited by temperature. If they weren't maxed out, they would have realized this some time ago and put hose in place. I'm afraid its too late for that now (unless they can get temps down with another method such as the water cannon).

Soldiers will be manning the water cannon truck(s). It sounds like they might know that they are going to have to get too close for safe operation in order to make a difference (pure speculation on my part). If accurate...well....they're going to war.
 
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govols1864 said:
Hey TennTradiation....just wanted to say thanks for all the info and questions you are answering. I am personally looking at working at Watts Bar this summer doing an internship with Bechtel. I have learned alot from you. Again, thanks!:salute:
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:thumbsup:

Good luck with the job!
 
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Do hazmat suits provide any protection from radiation? At least the levels where the cannons will be?
 
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From what I heard the breathing system does a pretty good job, but the suit adds little protection.
 
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I'm seeing where there trying to attemp to get power back.. are the lines ran or are they still in the process? I would like to see if its sucessful before I go to bed
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VOLatile said:
Do hazmat suits provide any protection from radiation? At least the levels where the cannons will be?
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No. Not really at all. There is apparently a thin lead lining in some. But it is super thin. It won't really do much good. They would be well-served to wear a thick thyroid guard and a respirator. But, there really aren't good radiation suits that you can move around in, to my knowledge. Just contamination suits with some protection.
 
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Voltrapnbama said:
I'm seeing where there trying to attemp to get power back.. are the lines ran or are they still in the process? I would like to see if its sucessful before I go to bed
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Don't wait up. It's going to be a while. Even if they get the line up, assessing the status of the plant's cooling systems will take a while.
 
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TennTradition said:
No. Not really at all. There is apparently a thin lead lining in some. But it is super thin. It won't really do much good. They would be well-served to wear a thick thyroid guard and a respirator. But, there really aren't good radiation suits that you can move around in, to my knowledge. Just contamination suits with some protection.
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Understood. I've seen too many sci-fi movies.
 
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Still can't stand people wanting to stop the building of new plants. Just because the rest of the world doesn't follow nuclear technology except when there is an accident doesn't mean the industry doesn't progress. These plants are 40 years old and are a GE BWR model. All new plants rely on passive rather than active safety systems such as this one. Even though GE's new model isn't as popular as Areva's and Westinghouse's, it has the ability to utilize natural circulation in the event of an accident which would've avoided this accident (except the spent fuel pool). If anything I say build more new plants so we can retire the older plants without losing our energy diversity.

Also, loss of external power became a real concern here following 9/11. I think loss of generators was marked as the major concern since containments and security were already top notch. I'm pretty sure they just added another generator away from the others closer to the plant.
 
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govols1864 said:
Hey TennTradiation....just wanted to say thanks for all the info and questions you are answering. I am personally looking at working at Watts Bar this summer doing an internship with Bechtel. I have learned alot from you. Again, thanks!:salute:
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Congrats on the internship. Those things are hard to come by. I interned at Watts Bar in the summer of 08 with the TVA engineers there. The Bechtel guys on the floor below us had a lot more work than we did. They seemed to be working non-stop. It will be good experience especially if they let you go into unit 2. When I was there it was pretty much mostly old remnants from when they originally stopped working on it which was great because you could see inside the reactor vessel and what not. Those type of experiences will really help you land a job and most likely with the needs of Bechtel they will take you on when you finish up. That's if the feds let them finish (would be really stupid of them if they didn't).
 
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Weezy said:
Still can't stand people wanting to stop the building of new plants. Just because the rest of the world doesn't follow nuclear technology except when there is an accident doesn't mean the industry doesn't progress. These plants are 40 years old and are a GE BWR model. All new plants rely on passive rather than active safety systems such as this one. Even though GE's new model isn't as popular as Areva's and Westinghouse's, it has the ability to utilize natural circulation in the event of an accident which would've avoided this accident (except the spent fuel pool). If anything I say build more new plants so we can retire the older plants without losing our energy diversity.

Also, loss of external power became a real concern here following 9/11. I think loss of generators was marked as the major concern since containments and security were already top notch. I'm pretty sure they just added another generator away from the others closer to the plant.
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I was pimpin' the nuclear renaissance until this accident. There is no doubt nuclear could benefit mankind, but there are two major problems:

1. Capital has no time-horizon to plan and deal with nuclear waste / nuclear catastrophe. That is why we have reactors on the Ring of Fire (including four in the US). It takes no hindsight to know that is absolutely not right. Only Capital could make that decision, and post festum correctives to nuclear problems = the world's second Zone of Alienation.

2. It turns out TEPCO has been mendacious regarding safety, replete with major cover-ups (which sacked their entire Board early in the decade), several deaths, etc. Our own NRC is a rubber-stamp for Capital too. If the Japanese are mendacious about nuclear safety, absolutely no one can be trusted.

I'm afraid it would absolutely be the right decision to postpone the nuclear renaissance until after the Revolution. However, there is no way Capital will do that, although we have probably just signed up to even more coal-fired plants, which actually, will be just as bad.
 
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milohimself said:
What Gibbs sees in his nightmares:
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gibbs is a hypocrite when it comes to money and wealth. He has admitted that he does quite well financially. You'd think that someone so averse to "capital" would seek to distance themselves from it. Instead, gibbs has embraced it with the tenacity of an 800lb. gorilla, he just doesn't want anybody else to succeed because they might buy an SUV and a few incandescent light bulbs.
 
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