(8) Butler vs. (1) Pittsburgh

#101
#101
trevols81 said:
What about the call before that sent Brown to the line? Both were clear fouls and had to be called.
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That foul affected Pitt's chance for a game winning shot - he knocked the Pitt guy out of bounds. Howard was not making an attempt at a shot and was just throwing the ball in the air - thus the foul had no impact on the potential outcome of the game like the 1st call did.
 
#102
#102
TooLegit2Quit said:
Because they shouldn't have called the first foul on Butler. Both were fouls, both shouldn't have been called.
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First one had to be called. You can't mug someone on a last second look. The second one however, did not involve a scoring chance and so it was ludicrous. You don't leverage a rebounding foul into a game winning free throw.
 
#103
#103
TooLegit2Quit said:
Because they shouldn't have called the first foul on Butler. Both were fouls, both shouldn't have been called.
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The refs' jobs are to officiate the game, if they don't call that foul because of some idiotic idea that a foul with ten minutes left isn't a foul with 5 seconds left, they should be fired
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#105
#105
pl3 said:
You can't put it in the hands of the ref right there. That was a terribly stupid play. Don't blame it on the refs, just like with the terribly stupid foul by Butler the second before.
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I'm not blaming the refs for the kid making a dumb foul. I'm blaming the refs for being too black and white.
 
#106
#106
And what happens if Howard loses the ball because of the chop and the Pitt player gets it and puts it back in? Then what?
 
#107
#107
Bassmanbruno said:
Lol - you seriously are completely ignorant stop talking. The fact that you use the announcers support of the call to justify your reasoning proves you are completely in the dark.
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Ok how about the opposing coach that I brought up?
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#108
#108
Bassmanbruno said:
That foul affected Pitt's chance for a game winning shot - he knocked the Pitt guy out of bounds. Howard was not making an attempt at a shot and was just throwing the ball in the air - thus the foul had no impact on the potential outcome of the game like the 1st call did.
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Yep.
 
#109
#109
Unimane said:
I agree, both were the right call. The Pitt foul may have been the dumbest I have ever seen in tournament history.
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Exactly, its not the job of the official to bail out a player who made a dumb decision
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#111
#111
emainvol said:
The refs' jobs are to officiate the game, if they don't call that foul because of some idiotic idea that a foul with ten minutes left isn't a foul with 5 seconds left, they should be fired
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Cosign.
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#112
#112
emainvol said:
The refs' jobs are to officiate the game, if they don't call that foul because of some idiotic idea that a foul with ten minutes left isn't a foul with 5 seconds left, they should be fired
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.8 90 feet away on a touch foul is not similar. I do agree somewhat with you have said.
 
#115
#115
emainvol said:
The refs' jobs are to officiate the game, if they don't call that foul because of some idiotic idea that a foul with ten minutes left isn't a foul with 5 seconds left, they should be fired
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An offensive rebounding foul should decide the game?
 
#116
#116
Don't get me wrong, I like Pitt and wanted them to win, but I am mad at the player, not the ref.
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#117
#117
emainvol said:
Had them in the championship. If OSU wins, I can still win my pool, if not I am screwed
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They aren't good enough on offense. They are built for the 18 game Big East season, not to win in March. Not really that surprised. I originally had ODU putting them out today then changed it.
 
#118
#118
emainvol said:
Exactly
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Then you all the foul! There were only 1.5 seconds left. It would not have been noticeably late. It's not rocket science. If something potentially or actually impacts the outcome, by all means blow the whistle.
 
#119
#119
Ultimately this boils down to the fact that some of us don't have a problem with Pitt losing the game because they were stupid. Others of us want the refs to swallow their whistle and look the other way so that Pitt doesn't get penalized for their stupidity. While that is the way that refs would normally call a game, I've never been a fan of rewarding stupidity.
 
#122
#122
Bassmanbruno said:
That foul affected Pitt's chance for a game winning shot - he knocked the Pitt guy out of bounds. Howard was not making an attempt at a shot and was just throwing the ball in the air - thus the foul had no impact on the potential outcome of the game like the 1st call did.
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So you agree that both were fouls. A foul is a foul. BTW I was routing for Pitt to finally make a Final Four this year(solely for bracket purposes).
 
#123
#123
emainvol said:
The refs' jobs are to officiate the game, if they don't call that foul because of some idiotic idea that a foul with ten minutes left isn't a foul with 5 seconds left, they should be fired
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Just about every game is officiated that way. Go watch a replay of our game at Georgia this year. I guarantee they call that over the back on Brian if it had happened at any other time in the game. That's how games are supposed to be officiated.

The refs essentially gave Butler the game on a weak rebounding foul that had no effect on the game. Games should never be won from the line, especially off of a weak shot from 90 feet away where the player isn't even throwing up a legitimate shot but instead fishing for a foul.
 
#124
#124
lylsmorr said:
I bet he did. Both were fouls. Do you not agree?
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yes I actually agree. I would call the first one, but the second one is absurd to me.

The Pitt guy should have let it go, but the game was over at that point. It's whistle swallowing time.
 
#125
#125
lylsmorr said:
Apparently not. I ask you the same question, were both not fouls?
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Yep - both were - but if you actually had watched basketball as long as you'd claim you'd see COUNTLESS situations were the ref looks the other way on a similar play were the outcome is clearly unaffected by the foul.. on a rebound no less... with under a second and no attempt for a fullcourt heave.
 
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