_Vols in NC...get out and vote!!! Need your help. MAY 8

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#151
What is sad in this day and age is that laws have to be fought for, passed and put into place to give other human beings the same rights that white, straight, male and "devout christians" have automatically. IMO.
 
#152
#152
Slydell said:
What is sad in this day and age is that laws have to be fought for, passed and put into place to give other human beings the same rights that white, straight, male and "devout christians" have automatically. IMO.
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and guess who is fighting it the hardest?
 
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#155
MSUDuo said:
As a devout Christian, who believes that Christ was born of a virgin, died on the cross with a purpose, and defeated death on the 3rd day, I firmly believe that being gay is a choice. And I believe it's wrong.

Down syndrome, mental disabilities, etc are a disease. Being gay is not a disease.

With that said, God made us with a soul to choose for ourselves. Whether we agree with choices are not, everyone should be allowed to make them. As well, we've prevented humans from fully enjoying the benefits of being an American based on many a things (gender, race, etc) all if which were wrong. Why is this any different? Because they're different?

Not to mention, Christ didn't run to the government to fix "problems". You want to see change? Be the change personally

It's definitely a touchy subject but can lead to some good debates. Sometimes.
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This is simply not true.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
This is simply not true.
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I agree with you, but you cannot just come out and make the statement you did. Unless you're gay, I guess. Then you'd have a much better understanding than us.

Separating this from the gay argument, every single character trait, even down to sarcasm, is due to a genetic predisposition, IMO.

Is it a choice to participate in homosexual activities? Absolutely. Is it worth it to be unhappy your entire life, simply to conform to social prejudice or religious fanaticism, when you're born with a gene that causes you to be attracted to the same sex? I guess that's up to the individual...
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I agree with you, but you cannot just come out and make the statement you did. Unless you're gay, I guess. Then you'd have a much better understanding than us.
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I am not gay. I know a couple very well and believe it to be the case. I was totally convinced when various genetic studies were published which (to me) conclusively proved that homosexuality was genetically based. One of the more interesting studies involved twins separated at birth and put into different homes. The only common denominator was their genes.

Thrasher865 said:
Separating this from the gay argument, every single character trait, even down to sarcasm, is due to a genetic predisposition, IMO.
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The term is genetic determinism. It means that everything comes down to genes, even behavior. We are realizing that genes have a bigger role in behavior that we once did.

Thrasher865 said:
Is it a choice to participate in homosexual activities? Absolutely. Is it worth it to be unhappy your entire life, simply to conform to social prejudice or religious fanaticism, when you're born with a gene that causes you to be attracted to the same sex? I guess that's up to the individual...
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I agree. My roommate in college dealt with this big time. He was gay. His older brother was gay. His older brother came out of the closet. His family (including him, oddly enough) disowned him (his older brother). He fought depression and was deathly afraid of anyone finding out the whole two years I lived with him. It was completely foreign to me. I grew up in Atlanta (a very gay city). Gays had no trouble being themselves and coming out of the closet. Tennessee, not so much.

I will say, I believe homosexuality, like many genetic predispositions, is something that can be though in laymen terms as a sliding scale. There is such a thing a being "gayer" or "more homosexual". Conversely, a person can be less gay in comparison. I believe this accounts for bisexuals or those heterosexuals which merely "experiment" with the same sex.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Without knowing the context of the study, it sounds pretty effed up.
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It involved multiple sets of twins and it wasn't intentional. They were separated at birth through the judicial system via legal adoption and were later tracked down by researchers.
 
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#160
volfanjustin said:
Well first of all I am going to guess none of you live in NC so I'm not sure why all of you are so upset.

Second, if you do live there and if it passes and you hate it that much. Move

I am glad to see states taking this issue up, let the voters of these states decide it.
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You are retarded. People should have to move because the gov't mandates morality? Just dumb.
 
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#162
I have a greatgrandfather that was a severe alcoholic. Grandfather the same. Parent same deal. I drank 12 beers more or less every day from the ages (roughly) of 18 to 26. Weekends were much more. I got saved in the Biblical sense and quit drinking in 2003. I prayed repeatedly for God to take the sin away from me and He did. He never sent a lightning bolt to strike a beer bottle from my hand. He never changed who I associated with or where I hung out. I had to do my part...which was very little compared to what He did. I haven't drank a beer in 9 years and what's more I have absolutely no desire to. When I get off work and I'm tired or my back hurts or I'm stressed drinking a beer never even crosses my mind. While its pretty clear that I was genetically predisposed (if there is such a thing) to being an alcoholic I made a choice that that behavior was unacceptable in my life and with Gods help I quit. It was a struggle at first but now its as natural as breathing to stay sober. To choose to quit practicing homosexuality is not to sign up for a lifetime of misery. God is able to change not only our behaviors but our desires as well. While the first step of AA is to admit you need the help of a higher power, the premise that you will always be a recovering alcoholic is not only self defeating...it is also like saying "god is powerful enough to help me quit but not powerful enough to cleanse me of the desire to drink." Homosexuality is a choice. Just like addiction is a choice. You can choose to continue in that sin, or you can ask God to help and defeat it. Genetic predisposition to sinful behavior is a cop out for immoral behavior and the lack of courage or desire to change. Repentance isn't asking God for forgiveness. It is turning away from sin. I speak from personal experience, not from secondhand knowledge or conjecture.
 
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#166
Danl said:
No, bro. If you think quitting drinking = changing sexual orientation, you need the help.
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A choice is a choice. Can't wait til this amendment passes. Early voting starts tomorrow. Glad you don't live here. The intention of this thread was to inform people that do live in NC of an opportunity to vote. If you live elsewhere then it really doesn't concern you. If you are passionate about this issue then perhaps you can influence its outcome in your state if the matter has not already been settled where you live.
 
#167
#167
marcusluvsvols said:
A choice is a choice.

Sexual orientation ain't a choice, bro.

Can't wait til this amendment passes. Early voting starts tomorrow. Glad you don't live here.

Nice.

The intention of this thread was to inform people that do live in NC of an opportunity to vote. If you live elsewhere then it really doesn't concern you.

I, like almost everyone on this board, do live elsewhere. If you don't think it concerns us, then don't post it here. Post it on some NC board. Just curious, did you post this on the NC, NCST, Duke, Wake Forest boards?

If you are passionate about this issue then perhaps you can influence its outcome in your state if the matter has not already been settled where you live.
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If you post it here, expect some blowback, bro.
 
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Danl said:
If you post it here, expect some blowback, bro.
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If you read the OP its clear that I did. My intention was to raise awareness. There are quite a few Vol fans here in NC and on VN.I for one am tired of Christians being quietly pushed out the door. We did nothing while prayer waas removed from schools etc. This is a grassroots campaign begun by pastors here to encourage Christians to vote for their beliefs.
 
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#169
marcusluvsvols said:
If you live elsewhere then it really doesn't concern you.
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pretty sad if you really believe that. Things like this affect all people

marcusluvsvols said:
If you are passionate about this issue then perhaps you can influence its outcome in your state if the matter has not already been settled where you live.
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already addressed that. The only people that will actually make the extra effort to vote are the ones who think God told them it was wrong and people that will really be negatively affected by the outcome.
 
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#171
marcusluvsvols said:
I for one am tired of Christians being quietly pushed out the door. We did nothing while prayer waas removed from schools etc. This is a grassroots campaign begun by pastors here to encourage Christians to vote for their beliefs.
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lololololololol

right....

Well, then I am sick of Christians very LOUDLY forcing all of their beliefs on everyone else.
 
#172
#172
marcusluvsvols said:
If you read the OP its clear that I did. My intention was to raise awareness. There are quite a few Vol fans here in NC and on VN.I for one am tired of Christians being quietly pushed out the door. We did nothing while prayer waas removed from schools etc. This is a grassroots campaign begun by pastors here to encourage Christians to vote for their beliefs.
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Mule Muffins!! Up yours, buddy. So I'm not a Christian because I don't believe the same as you? My fellow congregants will be sad to hear that we are not Christians. You judgmental hypocrite.

Have fun with your snake-handling.
 
#173
#173
christians getting pushed out? ha! So your solution to this imagined 'pushing out of christianity' is to push out the gays?
 
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#175
Its my opinion that many who 'find God' so to speak while in rehab are simply substituting one addiction for another.
 
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