_Vols in NC...get out and vote!!! Need your help. MAY 8

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Danl said:
Mule Muffins!! Up yours, buddy. So I'm not a Christian because I don't believe the same as you? My fellow congregants will be sad to hear that we are not Christians. You judgmental hypocrite.

Have fun with your snake-handling.
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I never said you or anyone else was not a Christian because they didn't believe the same as me. I never even implied that. There is no way you could logicly assume that from my post.
What I did was simply stated a fact. Many pastors in NC nad an assembly and coorfinated an effort to raise awareness of the coming vote. I was made aware of this issue by my pastor and he told me of this concerted effort. I never mentioned you, or your church. Your beliefs are your business.
Are you a practcicing homosexual? Do yhou go to a church where that is acceptable? I would certainly question the leadership of any pastor or priest who told congregants it was okay to willfully sin against God. This amendment is not a message of hate. As a pastor or Christian we are called to love the sinner, only to hate the sin. My church is made of many people of all different races which is sometimes rare, at least in the south. We have many blacks, whites, and hispanics. We have spanish language services on wed. As well as sundays. My pastor speaks frequently about racism, and the fact that it has no place in a Christians life. He is careful not to let this amendment be confused with hate.
This amendment is about keeping marriage what God established it to be. A covenant between God, one man, and one woman. He has already defined what marriage is. We seek to defend His design, His definition.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
This amendment is about keeping marriage what God established it to be. A covenant between God, one man, and one woman. He has already defined what marriage is. We seek to defend His design, His definition.
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even if it's unconstitutional all people in NC and possibly the US would be forced to live by the Bible's rules? Awesome
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
You are retarded. People should have to move because the gov't mandates morality? Just dumb.
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You are clearly the one that is dumb because I never said they should move, I said if they don't like what the voters of this state want they CAN move. If your state implements a 50% state tax you can move, you don't have to.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
What a pack of BS! First you say....

I never said you or anyone else was not a Christian because they didn't believe the same as me. I never even implied that. There is no way you could logicly assume that from my post.

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Your beliefs are your business.

Then you say...

Are you a practcicing homosexual? Do yhou go to a church where that is acceptable? I would certainly question the leadership of any pastor or priest who told congregants it was okay to willfully sin against God. This amendment is not a message of hate. As a pastor or Christian we are called to love the sinner, only to hate the sin. My church is made of many people of all different races which is sometimes rare, at least in the south. We have many blacks, whites, and hispanics. We have spanish language services on wed. As well as sundays. My pastor speaks frequently about racism, and the fact that it has no place in a Christians life. He is careful not to let this amendment be confused with hate.
This amendment is about keeping marriage what God established it to be. A covenant between God, one man, and one woman. He has already defined what marriage is. We seek to defend His design, His definition.
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You're just full of crap. What you want to do is establish a theocracy around your belief system and the rest of the world be damned. If this hate filled bill passes, then you will have stripped your fellow citizens of their rights to do as they wish. I'm sure that won't bother you because you're a much better Christian than the rest of us. That means God likes you better, right? Stop trying to legislate your stinking morality on everyone else.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Its my opinion that many who 'find God' so to speak while in rehab are simply substituting one addiction for another.
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Isn't it a good thing if someone sincerely "find's God" while in rehab, or anywhere else, and replaces Him for their addiction ?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
If you read the OP its clear that I did. My intention was to raise awareness. There are quite a few Vol fans here in NC and on VN.I for one am tired of Christians being quietly pushed out the door. We did nothing while prayer waas removed from schools etc. This is a grassroots campaign begun by pastors here to encourage Christians to vote for their beliefs.
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Fallacy.

Kids can pray in school any time they want. If prayer is not in schools, it is the fault of us Christians.
 
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volfanjustin said:
You are clearly the one that is dumb because I never said they should move, I said if they don't like what the voters of this state want they CAN move. If your state implements a 50% state tax you can move, you don't have to.
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That would apply to all citizens, would it not. Unlike a morality law that applies to a minority.
 
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Why are born again Christians always the craziest?



marcusluvsvols said:
I have a greatgrandfather that was a severe alcoholic. Grandfather the same. Parent same deal. I drank 12 beers more or less every day from the ages (roughly) of 18 to 26. Weekends were much more. I got saved in the Biblical sense and quit drinking in 2003. I prayed repeatedly for God to take the sin away from me and He did. He never sent a lightning bolt to strike a beer bottle from my hand. He never changed who I associated with or where I hung out. I had to do my part...which was very little compared to what He did. I haven't drank a beer in 9 years and what's more I have absolutely no desire to. When I get off work and I'm tired or my back hurts or I'm stressed drinking a beer never even crosses my mind. While its pretty clear that I was genetically predisposed (if there is such a thing) to being an alcoholic I made a choice that that behavior was unacceptable in my life and with Gods help I quit. It was a struggle at first but now its as natural as breathing to stay sober. To choose to quit practicing homosexuality is not to sign up for a lifetime of misery. God is able to change not only our behaviors but our desires as well. While the first step of AA is to admit you need the help of a higher power, the premise that you will always be a recovering alcoholic is not only self defeating...it is also like saying "god is powerful enough to help me quit but not powerful enough to cleanse me of the desire to drink." Homosexuality is a choice. Just like addiction is a choice. You can choose to continue in that sin, or you can ask God to help and defeat it. Genetic predisposition to sinful behavior is a cop out for immoral behavior and the lack of courage or desire to change. Repentance isn't asking God for forgiveness. It is turning away from sin. I speak from personal experience, not from secondhand knowledge or conjecture.
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volfanjustin said:
You are clearly the one that is dumb because I never said they should move, I said if they don't like what the voters of this state want they CAN move. If your state implements a 50% state tax you can move, you don't have to.
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Stating that the gov't should be dictating morality and restricting the freedom of individuals to practice whatever lifestyle they choose is un-American, and if you don't like that, then YOU should move the f outta here.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
This amendment is about keeping marriage what God established it to be. A covenant between God, one man, and one woman. He has already defined what marriage is. We seek to defend His design, His definition.
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I don't see any mention of government in that covenant. Have no problem with anyone disagreeing with gay marriage. The problem comes when the govt is used to force beliefs on others.
 
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I honestly think the state of North Carolina would have more pressing matters to attend to that would affect all citizens of the state. There's more to this amendment than meets the eye, IMO.
 
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JayVols said:
I don't see any mention of government in that covenant. Have no problem with anyone disagreeing with gay marriage. The problem comes when the govt is used to force beliefs on others.
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Marriage should be a religious ceremony and the govenment should stay out.

The government is involved for basically two reasons,
pandering to the voters in their district/state and taxes.
 
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Organized Christianity has been hijacked by totalitarian, intolerant elitists who pander to catchphrases and dogma that are associated with hate and oppression. It is veiled in "loving the sinner" and emboldened by swipe-grabs from other legitimate passages of Scripture to promote the most narrow and hateful view that is possible given the intent of the text....
 
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Danl said:
You're just full of crap. What you want to do is establish a theocracy around your belief system and the rest of the world be damned. If this hate filled bill passes, then you will have stripped your fellow citizens of their rights to do as they wish. I'm sure that won't bother you because you're a much better Christian than the rest of us. That means God likes you better, right? Stop trying to legislate your stinking morality on everyone else.
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Nice attitude. Get angry and insult me personally even though you know knothing about me other than my stance on this issue. If you are so motivated to change this policy then do something about it. Picket local businesses that don't agree with your homosexual agenda. Start a petition. Write a congressman. I have. Or sit on your couch and complain endlessly about the state of this country or your state....while doing absolutely nothing about it. Then expect something to change. Good luck with that.

If you feel you are in a position to judge me as full of crap, hypocitical, etc. Then you are confused about your place in things. I am in no position to judge anyone, neither are you. Fortunately I don't have to judge anything on this issue. Marriage is clearly defined in the Bible, so are Gods feelings towards homosexuality.
If a person chooses to create their own standards or to ignore parts of His word and only acknowledge the sins of their choosing they do so at their own peril. We will all be judged on His Word in its entirety regardless.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Marriage is clearly defined in the Bible, so are Gods feelings towards homosexuality.
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which has what to do with the laws of the US? It really seems like you're unable to separate the Bible from law. No one should be forced to live by someone else's chosen religion
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Organized Christianity has been hijacked by totalitarian, intolerant elitists who pander to catchphrases and dogma that are associated with hate and oppression. It is veiled in "loving the sinner" and emboldened by swipe-grabs from other legitimate passages of Scripture to promote the most narrow and hateful view that is possible given the intent of the text....
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Exactly the opposite is true. Sin has been so glorified by Hollywood and Americans are so constantly bombarded by filth from absolutely every angle that many of us are confused. We think because network TV can't produce a sitcom without a homo these days that it is acceptable. The truth is Gods word and warnings do not change along with the deluded masses. When we die we will be held to the rigid set of guidelines for sin that were given to man thousands of years ago. He made that clear. Unrepented sin of any nature will result in eternal damnation. Period. Homosexuality is clearly included in this proclamation. If you can read and understand english this is apparent. He doesn't use vague terms on the matter...or salvation and judgment. You or I can choose to deny this but the penalties remain the same.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Exactly the opposite is true. Sin has been so glorified by Hollywood and Americans are so constantly bombarded by filth from absolutely every angle that many of us are confused. We think because network TV can't produce a sitcom without a homo these days that it is acceptable. The truth is Gods word and warnings do not change along with the deluded masses. When we die we will be held to the rigid set of guidelines for sin that were given to man thousands of years ago. He made that clear. Unrepented sin of any nature will result in eternal damnation. Period. Homosexuality is clearly included in this proclamation. If you can read and understand english this is apparent. He doesn't use vague terms on the matter...or salvation and judgment. You or I can choose to deny this but the penalties remain the same.
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You can't be serious :birgits_giggle:
 
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DynamiteMcGhee said:
Oh look. Another case of "You don't think like me so you have an agenda".
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Same advice as the other cat. Don't agree with this? Then do something about it. Don't complain about it and expect something to change. I'm sure there are gay rights groups that would love to have your time and money.
 
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