a serious candidate list

#276
#276
I have been backing coach Martin from the start but this season is starting to wear on me. The team shows zero improvement and it's things that coach is known for ( hustle, defense ) that are lacking. I figured the offense would be slow to come around but I never believed effort would be a problem. I hate like hell to change coaches but I would be all for bringing in Rick Byrd I don't think we can get a top of line coach other then coach Byrd We could get a good ten years from him and get program so top coaches might take a look
 
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#278
First, I do want to say that I'm disappointed like everyone else, but I'm a little more patient than others. I feel the season needs to play out to truly determine CCM's fate. I also think he's here next yet regardless of our NCAA chances.

BUT for the sake of the lull in the board, I've compiled a list if candidates that I think are possibilities that are ones we need to keep an eye on.

There are "sexy" hires that have name power, solid coaches that many consider too old and up-and-comers (high risk, high reward, a la CCM).

We all have heard Lawrence Frank, Ben Howland and Shaka Smart. Here are some guys some of you may not have thought about. I've compiled a list of their age, records and school.

Mike Brey 54 (345-177) Notre Dame
Brad Brownell 45 (203-110) Clemson
Tad Boyle 50 (134-104) Colorado- former UT asst
Buzz Williams 41 (143-76) Marquette
Jamie Dixon 48 (268-86) Pittsburgh
Keith Dambrot 55 (208-92) Akron- probably wouldn't leave but doing a great job
Dave Rose 56 (209-66) BYU
Marvin Menzies 52 (102-68) New Mexico State
Chris Mooney 41 (171-132) Richmond
Donnie Tyndall 43 (181-101) Southern Miss
Tommy Amaker 48 (112-65) Harvard
Tim Cluess 54 (170-53) Iona
Brett Reed 41 (115-72) Lehigh
Greg Kampe 58 (506-366) Oakland
Steve Prohm 39 (52-12) Murray State
Ray Harper 52 (353-71) Western Kentucky
Reggie Theus 48 (41-23) Cal State Northridge- name recognition alone and has NBA ties

Derek Kellogg probably wouldn't leave his alma mater, but also hasn't made a tourney yet (probably will change this year though). I actually was pretty impressed with Domnie Tyndall, Tim Cluess and Brett Reed. Those guys are probably more on a "UT search firm" than any other.
 
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#279
jknox33 said:
First, I do want to say that I'm disappointed like everyone else, but I'm a little more patient than others. I feel the season needs to play out to truly determine CCM's fate. I also think he's here next yet regardless of our NCAA chances.

BUT for the sake of the lull in the board, I've compiled a list if candidates that I think are possibilities that are ones we need to keep an eye on.

There are "sexy" hires that have name power, solid coaches that many consider too old and up-and-comers (high risk, high reward, a la CCM).

We all have heard Lawrence Frank, Ben Howland and Shaka Smart. Here are some guys some of you may not have thought about. I've compiled a list of their age, records and school.

Mike Brey 54 (345-177) Notre Dame
Brad Brownell 45 (203-110) Clemson
Tad Boyle 50 (134-104) Colorado- former UT asst
Buzz Williams 41 (143-76) Marquette
Jamie Dixon 48 (268-86) Pittsburgh
Keith Dambrot 55 (208-92) Akron- probably wouldn't leave but doing a great job
Dave Rose 56 (209-66) BYU
Marvin Menzies 52 (102-68) New Mexico State
Chris Mooney 41 (171-132) Richmond
Donnie Tyndall 43 (181-101) Southern Miss
Tommy Amaker 48 (112-65) Harvard
Tim Cluess 54 (170-53) Iona
Brett Reed 41 (115-72) Lehigh
Greg Kampe 58 (506-366) Oakland
Steve Prohm 39 (52-12) Murray State
Ray Harper 52 (353-71) Western Kentucky
Reggie Theus 48 (41-23) Cal State Northridge- name recognition alone and has NBA ties

Derek Kellogg probably wouldn't leave his alma mater, but also hasn't made a tourney yet (probably will change this year though). I actually was pretty impressed with Domnie Tyndall, Tim Cluess and Brett Reed. Those guys are probably more on a "UT search firm" than any other.
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Could you imagine if we got the Iona coach?
Possible thread titles:
"Cluess doesn't have a clue"
"Cluess is clueless"
 
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#280
jknox33 said:
First, I do want to say that I'm disappointed like everyone else, but I'm a little more patient than others. I feel the season needs to play out to truly determine CCM's fate. I also think he's here next yet regardless of our NCAA chances.

BUT for the sake of the lull in the board, I've compiled a list if candidates that I think are possibilities that are ones we need to keep an eye on.

There are "sexy" hires that have name power, solid coaches that many consider too old and up-and-comers (high risk, high reward, a la CCM).

We all have heard Lawrence Frank, Ben Howland and Shaka Smart. Here are some guys some of you may not have thought about. I've compiled a list of their age, records and school.

Mike Brey 54 (345-177) Notre Dame
Brad Brownell 45 (203-110) Clemson
Tad Boyle 50 (134-104) Colorado- former UT asst
Buzz Williams 41 (143-76) Marquette
Jamie Dixon 48 (268-86) Pittsburgh
Keith Dambrot 55 (208-92) Akron- probably wouldn't leave but doing a great job
Dave Rose 56 (209-66) BYU
Marvin Menzies 52 (102-68) New Mexico State
Chris Mooney 41 (171-132) Richmond
Donnie Tyndall 43 (181-101) Southern Miss
Tommy Amaker 48 (112-65) Harvard
Tim Cluess 54 (170-53) Iona
Brett Reed 41 (115-72) Lehigh
Greg Kampe 58 (506-366) Oakland
Steve Prohm 39 (52-12) Murray State
Ray Harper 52 (353-71) Western Kentucky
Reggie Theus 48 (41-23) Cal State Northridge- name recognition alone and has NBA ties

Derek Kellogg probably wouldn't leave his alma mater, but also hasn't made a tourney yet (probably will change this year though). I actually was pretty impressed with Domnie Tyndall, Tim Cluess and Brett Reed. Those guys are probably more on a "UT search firm" than any other.
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I like a lot of those guys.

Mooney would be solid but I don't see that happening since seeing what happend at Georgia Tech. Surely, GTech throws more money at coaches than Tennessee but maybe they tried to get him too cheap.

Rose will stay in Mormon land and didn't he take a long break because of cancer?

Steve Prohm might be a major hire in the future but I'd rather have a guy more proven.


Kampe aint leaving and the program wouldn't hire Harper who was in trouble before.
 
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#281
Shaun1985 said:
I like a lot of those guys.

Mooney would be solid but I don't see that happening since seeing what happend at Georgia Tech. Surely, GTech throws more money at coaches than Tennessee but maybe they tried to get him too cheap.

Rose will stay in Mormon land and didn't he take a long break because of cancer?

Steve Prohm might be a major hire in the future but I'd rather have a guy more proven.


Kampe aint leaving and the program wouldn't hire Harper who was in trouble before.
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I agree. Mooney has been on a bit of a slide in recent years. Guys like Prohm, Cluess and Reed are risky names that could yield high reward. They've had success at thee mid-major level but would have to adjust to high major recruiting. Schematically, I don't know much about them.

If we were lookin for the most realistic power conference coach, Buzz Williams would be the guy. He isn't the type of coach we all would like, but he's proven and young. Marvin Menzies is another young guy that's had a lot of success too.
 
#283
#283
Why exactly is Greg Marshall not a candidate?
I wouldn't exactly say that Witchita State is a 'destination' job.
 
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#285
Roustabout said:
Why exactly is Greg Marshall not a candidate?
I wouldn't exactly say that Witchita State is a 'destination' job.
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Couple things, and all jmo:

1. Marshall has interviews twice for the job, and has been passed over both times. I'm guessing he feels a bit slighted, but jmo.

2. He has it pretty good at Wichita state. Final four last year, top ten team this year, seems a lot like Stevens and Shaka...why leave somewhere you're winning at a high level to go somewhere that isn't?

3. Money. He makes close to $2 million, and I'm guessing will get another raise after this year. How much would Hart honestly pay for a basketball coach? Would he pay more for a basketball coach than he was willing to pay for a football coach? I doubt it.
 
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#289
CAVol said:
The answer is no. Which is why we will never be able to hire one of those big name mid major guys.
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Tennessee fans should know better than anyone that firing someone just for the sake of it, and not because you're gonna hire some great coach, isn't always the best idea and can set you me program back further.

There's a lot of people in Starkville that would love Stansbury back.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Couple things, and all jmo:

1. Marshall has interviews twice for the job, and has been passed over both times. I'm guessing he feels a bit slighted, but jmo.

2. He has it pretty good at Wichita state. Final four last year, top ten team this year, seems a lot like Stevens and Shaka...why leave somewhere you're winning at a high level to go somewhere that isn't?

3. Money. He makes close to $2 million, and I'm guessing will get another raise after this year. How much would Hart honestly pay for a basketball coach? Would he pay more for a basketball coach than he was willing to pay for a football coach? I doubt it.
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Those are all good points, but do they really outwiegh what he could do at a major school in a major conference? Stevens was 'happy' to stay at Butler until he wasn't. UT could easily offer this guy 2.5 plus, although I think he warrants 3 wherever he goes. Last I checked Marshall is making 1.85 and Butch Jones is making 2.95. Seems like all they need to do is keep it under the football coach. I don't see WSU paying 2.8. So, the argument of paying a bball coach more is not necessarily an issue. If Marshall doesn't want to be here, or has bitter feelings, so be it, but be honest, you are speculating that this is the case. And I don't think any candidate should be eliminated because of speculation.

Ray Harper is an interesting name. He has won championships at two different levels. He is a good age and has a good record of proven winning. He isn't glamourous, and hasn't quite done 'it' at WKU. They play Ole Miss Monday. Would have to have a big year to be a contender, IMO.
 
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#291
Roustabout said:
Those are all good points, but do they really outwiegh what he could do at a major school in a major conference? Stevens was 'happy' to stay at Butler until he wasn't. UT could easily offer this guy 2.5 plus, although I think he warrants 3 wherever he goes. Last I checked Marshall is making 1.85 and Butch Jones is making 2.95. Seems like all they need to do is keep it under the football coach. I don't see WSU paying 2.8. So, the argument of paying a bball coach more is not necessarily an issue. If Marshall doesn't want to be here, or has bitter feelings, so be it, but be honest, you are speculating that this is the case. And I don't think any candidate should be eliminated because of speculation.

Ray Harper is an interesting name. He has won championships at two different levels. He is a good age and has a good record of proven winning. He isn't glamourous, and hasn't quite done 'it' at WKU. They play Ole Miss Monday. Would have to have a big year to be a contender, IMO.
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What could he do at Tennessee that he hasn't done at Wichita State? Take them to a final four? Tennessee in its history has never been that far, he's already taken Wichita to that level and appears to possibly be headed back.

I think Wichita State would match 2.5, to get him we would probably have to go 3+ and I just don't see Hart doing that.

Now understand, I'm not saying this is what I would do or how I would do it, this is just my opinion of what hart would do.

I see hart looking to hire a basketball coach at around 1.5-2 million tops.
 
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#292
#292
Roustabout said:
Those are all good points, but do they really outwiegh what he could do at a major school in a major conference? Stevens was 'happy' to stay at Butler until he wasn't. UT could easily offer this guy 2.5 plus, although I think he warrants 3 wherever he goes. Last I checked Marshall is making 1.85 and Butch Jones is making 2.95. Seems like all they need to do is keep it under the football coach. I don't see WSU paying 2.8. So, the argument of paying a bball coach more is not necessarily an issue. If Marshall doesn't want to be here, or has bitter feelings, so be it, but be honest, you are speculating that this is the case. And I don't think any candidate should be eliminated because of speculation.

Ray Harper is an interesting name. He has won championships at two different levels. He is a good age and has a good record of proven winning. He isn't glamourous, and hasn't quite done 'it' at WKU. They play Ole Miss Monday. Would have to have a big year to be a contender, IMO.
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Would you leave Wichita State for Tennessee if you were Marshall? Keep in mind, Tennessee has proven time and time again that they aren't willing to throw big bucks at a coach so my guess would only be a slight pay increase. If you look at the Wichita State program, the area he's in and the backing he has, it would take a pretty sweet offer to make him jump. I don't think that's speculation but just common sense. The guy is treated like royality there and it's the only thing going on for that city. He's at a basketball school, in the middle of basketball country and expectations wouldn't be nearly as high as taking a higher profile coaching job. I'm not up to date on WSU facilities but I would imagine they are decent. They seem to have a really good backing and strong boosters. I'm not saying Tennessee couldn't pay him more because obviously they could but I don't see Tennessee dropping the kind of money for a guy to leave a job like that.

Also, Ray Harper is an interesting choice but one I don't see this AD making. I'm not sure if your familiar with his past but if you take Harper than what's the point of passing over a Tim Floyd or even a Bruce Pearl? He has won everywhere he'se been but his past is streaky and I doubt we take the risk on a guy like that (but I still think it would be an instant upgrade and the guy could probably outcoach anyone in the SEC minus a couple of coaches)
 
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#293
bleedingTNorange said:
What could he do at Tennessee that he hasn't done at Wichita State? Take them to a final four? Tennessee in its history has never been that far, he's already taken Wichita to that level and appears to possibly be headed back.

I think Wichita State would match 2.5, to get him we would probably have to go 3+ and I just don't see Hart doing that.

Now understand, I'm not saying this is what I would do or how I would do it, this is just my opinion of what hart would do.

I see hart looking to hire a basketball coach at around 1.5-2 million tops.
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Bingo. I agree 100%. The AD, like other middle / lower tier schools in power conferences, look for those diamond in the rough guys. Sometimes it works, most times it don't. I don't see Hart going over 2.5 for a coach and it's pretty darn hard to get a high profile mid major guy because most of these guys have signed huge contract extensions like Mooney, Smart, Jackobson and Marshall.
 
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#294
#294
Shaun1985 said:
Bingo. I agree 100%. The AD, like other middle / lower tier schools in power conferences, look for those diamond in the rough guys. Sometimes it works, most times it don't. I don't see Hart going over 2.5 for a coach and it's pretty darn hard to get a high profile mid major guy because most of these guys have signed huge contract extensions like Mooney, Smart, Jackobson and Marshall.
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I honestly see us moving toward another diamond in the rough type coach. We always seem to be looking for someone on the cheap. It's rare you get lightning in a bottle. Most often there is some learning on the job for the adjustment.

We typically go the polar opposite than what we've had in the past. From Wade to O'Neill to Green to Buzz to Pearl to Cuonzo. If history repeats itself, we should be looking for a dynamic personality with high energy basketball.
 
#295
#295
They could always go after Isiah Thomas....I'm sure he wouldn't mind coaching at a big school.
 
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#298
cncchris33 said:
If we're going to consider Quin Snyder, why not first reach out to Jerry Tarkanian, Clem Haskins, Dave Bliss, and The Devil.
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The Devil's buyout would cost us our souls
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