Abortions Rights Win (Again)

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hndog609 said:
I'm speculating that even the people behind such laws know there's no real way make that work. It does however give them the ability to claim they're all in on the fight.*

*Mind you I'm not saying they are necessarily pandering. If they really believe in the cause one would expect them to do what they can for that cause. I just find it difficult to believe even they think it would hold up under legal scrutiny.
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I think you are spot on. A spineless politician will always look for ways to look like they're siding with their constituents especially when it is all for show.
 
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Tnslim1 said:
Come judgement day when the mothers that chose to kill their unborn child and the workers who performed the act stand before our Almighty God to answer the question of " Why did you do this" I highly doubt the answer of ," it's my choice or it was my job" is going to be a viable excuse.
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You may feel differently, but as a Christian don't you believe God will forgive that sin if the person sincerely asks for it. If so, shouldn't we the practitioners do the same?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Children are not legal adults. So no.

There are legal adults in this country that truly feel at odds with their left foot. Truly feel out of place with it, that it is ‘wrong’ that it is there, and that they would be happier if it were not there.

If you are a legal adult, and can source the procedure, I will 100% support your right to remove your left foot.

I absolutely will not support a 14 year old’s “decision” to remove their left foot.
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But would you support a 14-year-old's decision to remove his/her/their fetus?
 
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McDad said:
The essence of a free society is people with full expression of rights are able to make decisions (whether I like it or not) about themselves. If they were only allowed to do what I supported, it isn't a free society. Likewise, if I could only do what they supported, it isn't free.

Children and others with restricted rights can make decisions but those decisions have to be approved by their guardian or authority.
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There are also some decisions we do not allow children to make at all, even with the consent of their parent or guardian.

Billy cannot provide consent to enter into a sexual relationship with Mrs. Wheeler next door. And Billy’s parents cannot provide that consent on his behalf.
 
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85SugarVol said:
There are also some decisions we do not allow children to make at all, even with the consent of their parent or guardian.

Billy cannot provide consent to enter into a sexual reference with Mrs. Wheeler next door. And Billy’s parents cannot provide that consent on his behalf.
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agreed. In that example, the authority (laws on statutory rape) trump parental consent.
 
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McDad said:
You may feel differently, but as a Christian don't you believe God will forgive that sin if the person sincerely asks for it. If so, shouldn't we the practitioners do the same?
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If there is actual remorse, we are required to forgive. That doesn't mean that there aren't consequences (legal and otherwise).
 
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creekdipper said:
But would you support a 14-year-old's decision to remove his/her/their fetus?
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Well, they aren’t the same. One is the irreversible removal of a perfectly healthy limb.

But I understand your question.

No - I do not support a blanket “yes” for the 14 year old girl. Others need to be involved.

And I’ll leave it to the States and their Citizens to determine what that will look like.
 
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Is there any difference between a mother strangling her baby in a crib and terminating development of a 6-week old embryo?
 
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McDad said:
Are you able to discern actual remorse from fake?
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Not with 100% accuracy, no. But there are indications, just as there are indications of lack of remorse.

After all, we are expected to be able to judge with righteous judgment and to know true converts by tbeir fruits.
 
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rjd970 said:
Is there any difference between a mother strangling her baby in a crib and terminating development of a 6-week old embryo?
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Most people enlist help with the latter killing. Usually paid assassins and mercenaries.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Let. The. Voters. Decide.
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Why can’t you answer the question? So let’s say the vote is for a woman can abort for any reason at anytime during the pregnancy. And there were enough votes to pass it but there were many against it. Does they mean it’s right?
 
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Tnslim1 said:
Come judgement day when the mothers that chose to kill their unborn child and the workers who performed the act stand before our Almighty God to answer the question of " Why did you do this" I highly doubt the answer of ," it's my choice or it was my job" is going to be a viable excuse.
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Hopefully those that chose to kill ask for forgiveness. We do serve a merciful God.
 
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creekdipper said:
Not with 100% accuracy, no. But there are indications, just as there are indications of lack of remorse.

After all, we are expected to be able to judge with righteous judgment and to know true converts by tbeir fruits.
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I gently encourage you to be careful to make forgiveness conditional on sincerity if you cannot accurately discern sincerity. God knows their heart. All you and I can do is look at their actions (fruits).
 
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McDad said:
Activities illegal in one state or county and legal or decriminalized in another state or county already exist without federal involvement. Gambling, alcohol sales, prostitution, drug usage, etc. The difference between those "vices" and abortion is the state or county doesn't attempt to punish citizens when those illegal activities are done outside the citizen's jurisdiction. Doesn't a punished individual have a civil rights case against their county or state when it comes to traveling for abortion? The fed would only need to be involved at the judicial level if the case between a citizen and their state made it's way to SCOTUS.
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People have gone to Las Vegas for the same reason for a very long time without repercussions from their places of residence - that should provide plenty of basis against the place of residence attempting to crucify someone for getting a locally prohibited service elsewhere. It's popular enough for the "What happens in Vegas ..." phrase. On the other hand there are cities who proclaim themselves as sanctuary cities and refuse to work with others with respect to the illegal alien problem.
 
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McDad said:
The essence of a free society is people with full expression of rights are able to make decisions (whether I like it or not) about themselves. If they were only allowed to do what I supported, it isn't a free society. Likewise, if I could only do what they supported, it isn't free.

Children and others with restricted rights can make decisions but those decisions have to be approved by their guardian or authority.
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Except the woke kind of decisions - at least in some locations. And those may be coming to a locality near you if the feds have their way. Apparently some people are thinking a child should have the right to cut off "unnecessary or offending parts".
 
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McDad said:
agreed. In that example, the authority (laws on statutory rape) trump parental consent.
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Now if Billy can't legally use his ding-a-ling consensually with Mrs Robinson, then how is it reasonable that he or another underaged kid should be able to have it chopped off in the name of wokeness? Which gets to somebody is criminally liable if an underaged girl is pregnant ... unless there's no prohibition on minor on minor stuff that would get an adult in deep doo doo. So would that mean that a minor can take and sell kiddie porn legally? There's a whole lot of twisted reasoning available just for the taking here.
 
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